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Does it bother anyone else.. (Another eBay bitching thread)

broken_joystickbroken_joystick Posts: 137
edited January 2008 in The Porch
Does it bother anyone else that the user "helzbelz23" on ebay is selling the 2000 and 2003 live shows, with almost every single one from 2003 going for $50+?
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    HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    especially when you can download them for free
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,731
    broken_joystick wrote:
    Does it bother anyone else that the user "helzbelz23" on ebay is selling the 2000 and 2003 live shows, with almost every single one from 2003 going for $50+?

    nope
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    JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,444
    broken_joystick wrote:
    Does it bother anyone else that the user "helzbelz23" on ebay is selling the 2000 and 2003 live shows, with almost every single one from 2003 going for $50+?

    The seller is asking for $50 plus for many of them.....doesn't mean anyone will pay that.

    What bothers you about it?
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    broken_joystickbroken_joystick Posts: 137
    You and I know that they didn't pay that much for the shows. They're just flipping the products for a profit. It's almost like selling bootleg DVDs.

    I don't know, maybe I just think too much about it lol
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    dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    doesnt bother me one iota... if people are stupid enough to pay it then what harm is that to you?
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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    broken_joystickbroken_joystick Posts: 137
    Okay, guess I'm in the wrong here.

    Sorry.
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    righteousbaberighteousbabe Posts: 662
    broken_joystick wrote:
    Okay, guess I'm in the wrong here.

    Sorry.

    It's all good. Lots of people will agree with you. I don't like the prices but sometimes ebay is the only way you can get something you otherwise would not be able to get. I got the Vancouver 03 poster that way and had to pay more than it was originally worth. But I was happy.
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    JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,444
    broken_joystick wrote:
    You and I know that they didn't pay that much for the shows. They're just flipping the products for a profit. It's almost like selling bootleg DVDs.

    I don't know, maybe I just think too much about it lol

    I understand how you feel, but the cds were mass produced, so it's not like anyone lost-out on buying them due to scarcity (as they would with tickets, posters, etc.)

    These were legal "bootlegs" which were sold in stores, so its not like there are unfairly profiting.
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    LukinFanLukinFan Florida Posts: 29,011
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    I understand how you feel, but the cds were mass produced, so it's not like any lost-out on buying them due to scarcity (as they would with tickets, posters, etc.)

    These were legal "bootlegs" which were sold in stores, so its not like there are unfairly profiting.
    Very good point
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    hrd2imgnhrd2imgn Southwest Burbs of Chicago Posts: 4,869
    free market

    it bothers me people are dumb enough to buy them for that much nowadays when we can find it free for just about any show.
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    restlesssoulrestlesssoul Posts: 6,941
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    These were legal "bootlegs" which were sold in stores, so its not like there are unfairly profiting.


    2003's were not sold in stores. he bought some things, in this case cds, they went up in value and now hes selling them for what he can get for them, all the power to ol helzbelz. he ships fast, i bought a few off him a while back, nothing that expensive, but still pearl jam 03 boots.
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    restlesssoulrestlesssoul Posts: 6,941
    broken_joystick wrote:
    It's almost like selling bootleg DVDs.


    i dont think its anything like bootlegging DVDs.

    you buy a piece of art for 100$, 5 years go by. the art value went up to 1000$. you dont want the art anymore. you sell it. do you sell for what you paid or what its worth? if you answer sell it for 100$ you are not smart.

    if you want the bootlegs, wait and find them from other sellers, they will pop up for cheaper. if you just want the music download it for free.

    i only need 9 or so more for my set, hes only got two up that i need. but there is now way i can afford it. so i wait.

    people will pay this price too, make no mistakes about that. he used to have little rock and mountainview listed for 75 or 80 each and they are gone.
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    broken_joystickbroken_joystick Posts: 137
    Im just saying.. I have a few 03 shows and I wouldn't put them up for $50 and not a penny less. Like I said, I'm just thinking about it too much.. you're all right, I shouldn't have said anything about it..
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    wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 3,965
    restlesssoul wrote:
    2003's were not sold in stores. he bought some things, in this case cds, they went up in value and now hes selling them for what he can get for them, all the power to ol helzbelz. he ships fast, i bought a few off him a while back, nothing that expensive, but still pearl jam 03 boots.
    They may not have been originally, but I see them quite frequently now. They are always selling in the 19-30 dollar range. I've seen them in big box places like Best Buy, Target and Fred Meyers and smaller record stores as well.
    I agree though, once purchased and no longer for sale by the artist, it is yours to do with what you want. :)
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    CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,219
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    I understand how you feel, but the cds were mass produced, so it's not like anyone lost-out on buying them due to scarcity (as they would with tickets, posters, etc.)

    These were legal "bootlegs" which were sold in stores, so its not like there are unfairly profiting.
    ...
    and they sat on the shelves for a long time.
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    "Pearl Jam Live Bootlegs - 2000"
    "Collect 'em All"
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    restlesssoulrestlesssoul Posts: 6,941
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    and they sat on the shelves for a long time.
    Amoeba had a sign over the Pearl Jam Live section that said,
    "Pearl Jam Live Bootlegs - 2000"
    "Collect 'em All"
    "PLEEEEAZE"


    thats funny. the a and b sound downtown in vancouver had OOP 2000's on the shelf as of two years ago, until i found them and bought them out, so yeah you could say they sat there.
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    JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,444
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    and they sat on the shelves for a long time.
    Amoeba had a sign over the Pearl Jam Live section that said,
    "Pearl Jam Live Bootlegs - 2000"
    "Collect 'em All"
    "PLEEEEAZE"

    Damn, that reminds me..I have a $50 Amoeba gift voucher.....way too difficult to decide what to buy there!
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    bettermanofthehourbettermanofthehour Posts: 355
    what i love is all of you people that keep bitchin about ebay, but yet you are the ones searching on ebay.
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    CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,219
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Damn, that reminds me..I have a $50 Amoeba gift voucher.....way too difficult to decide what to buy there!
    ...
    Amoeba is GREAT!!!
    That 50 bucks won't last long... there's always about 100 things to buy there.
    ENJOY!!!
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    wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 3,965
    bettermanofthehour wrote:
    what i love is all of you people that keep bitchin about ebay, but yet you are the ones searching on ebay.
    I love ebay. No bitching here. lol But, I will and have reported items that shouldn't be for sale. :)
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    KingmidgetKingmidget Posts: 628
    no
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    bicyclejoebicyclejoe USA Posts: 1,161
    nathanastin wrote:
    especially when you can download them for free

    where?
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    pdalowskypdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 14,721
    No, not in the slightest, I've done business with him before, and hes a credit to ebay, never had a problem with any of his auctions and at least hes making the stuff available to those who want to collect it, if it wasnt for ebay theres a good chance you would never find half the Cds he has for sale
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