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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 13,862
    igotid88 said:
    Wobbie said:
    HOF voting.  Here's my take.  What say you?

    • Steve Garvey
    • Tommy John
    • Don Mattingly
    • Marvin Miller
    • Jack Morris
    • Dale Murphy
    • Dave Parker
    • Ted Simmons
    • Luis Tiant
    • Alan Trammell

    Of these 10 Tommy John gets in for his almost 300 wins.
    Morris should get in for his arm in the World Series.
    Miller should get in for ruining baseball, lol.

    Garvey, Murphy, Parker are all on the cusp but won't make it.

    Mattingly, Simmons, Tiant and Trammell were all good players but will never get in.
    uh.....Bonds???

    what you posted could work for the Hall of Good.
    I think this is for players who have been retired more than 20 years and is their last chance. But I could be wrong
    You are correct so, one or more of these players could possibly get in.

    So again I'll ask.

    Who gets in?
    Hard to say. The article says there are 16 voters. Each gets 4 votes. So the nominee needs at least 12 votes or 75%. I hate that Marvin Miller is a candidate. Not that he doesn't deserve a spot. I think the voters might vote the oldest players first. I'm surprised Dave Parker doesn't have more homeruns. There are players with lesser stats that were voted in by this committee or the Veterans which what it was before. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 28,794
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    HOF voting.  Here's my take.  What say you?

    • Steve Garvey
    • Tommy John
    • Don Mattingly
    • Marvin Miller
    • Jack Morris
    • Dale Murphy
    • Dave Parker
    • Ted Simmons
    • Luis Tiant
    • Alan Trammell

    Of these 10 Tommy John gets in for his almost 300 wins.
    Morris should get in for his arm in the World Series.
    Miller should get in for ruining baseball, lol.

    Garvey, Murphy, Parker are all on the cusp but won't make it.

    Mattingly, Simmons, Tiant and Trammell were all good players but will never get in.
    uh.....Bonds???

    what you posted could work for the Hall of Good.

    fuck bonds and his bulbous head.

    best ballplayer of your generation!

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  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 9,377
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    HOF voting.  Here's my take.  What say you?

    • Steve Garvey
    • Tommy John
    • Don Mattingly
    • Marvin Miller
    • Jack Morris
    • Dale Murphy
    • Dave Parker
    • Ted Simmons
    • Luis Tiant
    • Alan Trammell

    Of these 10 Tommy John gets in for his almost 300 wins.
    Morris should get in for his arm in the World Series.
    Miller should get in for ruining baseball, lol.

    Garvey, Murphy, Parker are all on the cusp but won't make it.

    Mattingly, Simmons, Tiant and Trammell were all good players but will never get in.
    uh.....Bonds???

    what you posted could work for the Hall of Good.

    fuck bonds and his bulbous head.

    best ballplayer of your generation!
    *Any* generation.
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 13,862
    edited November 7
    HOF voting.  Here's my take.  What say you?

    • Steve Garvey
    • Tommy John
    • Don Mattingly
    • Marvin Miller
    • Jack Morris
    • Dale Murphy
    • Dave Parker
    • Ted Simmons
    • Luis Tiant
    • Alan Trammell

    Of these 10 Tommy John gets in for his almost 300 wins.
    Morris should get in for his arm in the World Series.
    Miller should get in for ruining baseball, lol.

    Garvey, Murphy, Parker are all on the cusp but won't make it.

    Mattingly, Simmons, Tiant and Trammell were all good players but will never get in.
    Looking at the numbers closely. 
    My 4 are Mattingly, Parker, Morris, and John. But my guess is one of those will be replaced with Miller.

    And I know people will say. So and so has more hits or home runs than Mattingly. But so and so played at least 5 or more years. And the numbers are still close even with that advantage. 
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  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 9,377
    Wow so Blackmon and Arenado both got dissed. Anti-Colorado boas. I don’t see how Votto is a finalist. The Reds were fucking terrible. You should not be an MVP finalist on a last place team. I’m not saying you have to make the playoffs, but dead last? 
  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PAPosts: 26,919
    RIP Roy Halladay!  :cry:
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    7/19/13- Wrigley
    10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
    10/21/13- Philly, PA
    10/22/13- Philly, PA
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    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly
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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PAPosts: 26,919
    RIP Roy Halladay!  :cry:
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    8/28/98- Camden, NJ
    10/31/09- Philly
    5/21/10- NYC
    9/2/12- Philly, PA
    7/19/13- Wrigley
    10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
    10/21/13- Philly, PA
    10/22/13- Philly, PA
    10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly
    Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly
  • gregkitefangregkitefan Posts: 1,064
    Sad Day for baseball.
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    Sad Day for baseball.
    Indeed.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 9,904
    edited November 8
    Wow so Blackmon and Arenado both got dissed. Anti-Colorado boas. I don’t see how Votto is a finalist. The Reds were fucking terrible. You should not be an MVP finalist on a last place team. I’m not saying you have to make the playoffs, but dead last? 
    Last place teams and Colorado Rockies players should never be finalists...

    RIP Halladay.
    Post edited by tempo_n_groove on
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 9,904
    igotid88 said:
    HOF voting.  Here's my take.  What say you?

    • Steve Garvey
    • Tommy John
    • Don Mattingly
    • Marvin Miller
    • Jack Morris
    • Dale Murphy
    • Dave Parker
    • Ted Simmons
    • Luis Tiant
    • Alan Trammell

    Of these 10 Tommy John gets in for his almost 300 wins.
    Morris should get in for his arm in the World Series.
    Miller should get in for ruining baseball, lol.

    Garvey, Murphy, Parker are all on the cusp but won't make it.

    Mattingly, Simmons, Tiant and Trammell were all good players but will never get in.
    Looking at the numbers closely. 
    My 4 are Mattingly, Parker, Morris, and John. But my guess is one of those will be replaced with Miller.

    And I know people will say. So and so has more hits or home runs than Mattingly. But so and so played at least 5 or more years. And the numbers are still close even with that advantage. 
    Mattingly had 6 good years...  I'd have Garvey or Murphy in before him.
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 13,862
    igotid88 said:
    HOF voting.  Here's my take.  What say you?

    • Steve Garvey
    • Tommy John
    • Don Mattingly
    • Marvin Miller
    • Jack Morris
    • Dale Murphy
    • Dave Parker
    • Ted Simmons
    • Luis Tiant
    • Alan Trammell

    Of these 10 Tommy John gets in for his almost 300 wins.
    Morris should get in for his arm in the World Series.
    Miller should get in for ruining baseball, lol.

    Garvey, Murphy, Parker are all on the cusp but won't make it.

    Mattingly, Simmons, Tiant and Trammell were all good players but will never get in.
    Looking at the numbers closely. 
    My 4 are Mattingly, Parker, Morris, and John. But my guess is one of those will be replaced with Miller.

    And I know people will say. So and so has more hits or home runs than Mattingly. But so and so played at least 5 or more years. And the numbers are still close even with that advantage. 
    Mattingly had 6 good years...  I'd have Garvey or Murphy in before him.
    He retired at 34. He would've had good numbers
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 9,904
    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    HOF voting.  Here's my take.  What say you?

    • Steve Garvey
    • Tommy John
    • Don Mattingly
    • Marvin Miller
    • Jack Morris
    • Dale Murphy
    • Dave Parker
    • Ted Simmons
    • Luis Tiant
    • Alan Trammell

    Of these 10 Tommy John gets in for his almost 300 wins.
    Morris should get in for his arm in the World Series.
    Miller should get in for ruining baseball, lol.

    Garvey, Murphy, Parker are all on the cusp but won't make it.

    Mattingly, Simmons, Tiant and Trammell were all good players but will never get in.
    Looking at the numbers closely. 
    My 4 are Mattingly, Parker, Morris, and John. But my guess is one of those will be replaced with Miller.

    And I know people will say. So and so has more hits or home runs than Mattingly. But so and so played at least 5 or more years. And the numbers are still close even with that advantage. 
    Mattingly had 6 good years...  I'd have Garvey or Murphy in before him.
    He retired at 34. He would've had good numbers
    Would have doesn't equal the hall...

    I loved when he played but his numbers aren't good enough.  Hell I don't think Jim Rice should be in.
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 13,862
    edited November 8
    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    HOF voting.  Here's my take.  What say you?

    • Steve Garvey
    • Tommy John
    • Don Mattingly
    • Marvin Miller
    • Jack Morris
    • Dale Murphy
    • Dave Parker
    • Ted Simmons
    • Luis Tiant
    • Alan Trammell

    Of these 10 Tommy John gets in for his almost 300 wins.
    Morris should get in for his arm in the World Series.
    Miller should get in for ruining baseball, lol.

    Garvey, Murphy, Parker are all on the cusp but won't make it.

    Mattingly, Simmons, Tiant and Trammell were all good players but will never get in.
    Looking at the numbers closely. 
    My 4 are Mattingly, Parker, Morris, and John. But my guess is one of those will be replaced with Miller.

    And I know people will say. So and so has more hits or home runs than Mattingly. But so and so played at least 5 or more years. And the numbers are still close even with that advantage. 
    Mattingly had 6 good years...  I'd have Garvey or Murphy in before him.
    He retired at 34. He would've had good numbers
    Would have doesn't equal the hall...

    I loved when he played but his numbers aren't good enough.  Hell I don't think Jim Rice should be in.
    Koufax retired early and he's in. Just saying the numbers on most of the guys aren't that great. And he played less years and has similar numbers. If you want to go by WAR. He's probably 4th or 5th of the players he's up against in this ballot. His OPS vs the batters is better than most on this ballot. And he has 2 baseball related nicknames (Hitman and Donnie Baseball). That should count as half a vote
    Post edited by igotid88 on
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 22,646
    OK......give him half a vote.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 22,646
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    HOF voting.  Here's my take.  What say you?

    • Steve Garvey
    • Tommy John
    • Don Mattingly
    • Marvin Miller
    • Jack Morris
    • Dale Murphy
    • Dave Parker
    • Ted Simmons
    • Luis Tiant
    • Alan Trammell

    Of these 10 Tommy John gets in for his almost 300 wins.
    Morris should get in for his arm in the World Series.
    Miller should get in for ruining baseball, lol.

    Garvey, Murphy, Parker are all on the cusp but won't make it.

    Mattingly, Simmons, Tiant and Trammell were all good players but will never get in.
    uh.....Bonds???

    what you posted could work for the Hall of Good.

    fuck bonds and his bulbous head.

    best ballplayer of your generation!
    *Any* generation.

    Such a wise man!

    half the time, tho, I can’t remember if we’re friends or foes :lol:

    juggler? easy.....foe.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 22,646
    who the fuck is tucker barnhart?
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 9,377
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    HOF voting.  Here's my take.  What say you?

    • Steve Garvey
    • Tommy John
    • Don Mattingly
    • Marvin Miller
    • Jack Morris
    • Dale Murphy
    • Dave Parker
    • Ted Simmons
    • Luis Tiant
    • Alan Trammell

    Of these 10 Tommy John gets in for his almost 300 wins.
    Morris should get in for his arm in the World Series.
    Miller should get in for ruining baseball, lol.

    Garvey, Murphy, Parker are all on the cusp but won't make it.

    Mattingly, Simmons, Tiant and Trammell were all good players but will never get in.
    uh.....Bonds???

    what you posted could work for the Hall of Good.

    fuck bonds and his bulbous head.

    best ballplayer of your generation!
    *Any* generation.

    Such a wise man!

    half the time, tho, I can’t remember if we’re friends or foes :lol:

    juggler? easy.....foe.
    We agree on more things than we disagree. :smiley:
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 9,377
    Wow so Blackmon and Arenado both got dissed. Anti-Colorado boas. I don’t see how Votto is a finalist. The Reds were fucking terrible. You should not be an MVP finalist on a last place team. I’m not saying you have to make the playoffs, but dead last? 
    Last place teams and Colorado Rockies players should never be finalists...

    RIP Halladay.
    Bias against Colorado is like saying players on teams south of the 44th parallel shouldnt be finalists bc they Play in warmer weather all year, which helps the ball travel.
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 10,558
    edited November 8
    Some shitting on the Redlegs going on here!  :)

    Odd to see Jason Heyward win a gold glove -- he sat almost 40 games this season.  That works if you are a catcher -- but a fielder?

    I don't expect them to vote for Votto to be the NL MVP but you cannot look past those numbers.

    Player 1
    117 runs
    166 hits
    36 HR
    120 RBI
    94 bb
    .297 average
    .563 slugging
    .966 OPS
    147 strikeouts
    Gold Glove winner

    Player 2
    Played every game  (best of 3)
    106 runs
    179 hits (best of 3)
    36 HR
    100 RBI
    134 bb (best of 3)
    .320 average (best of 3)
    .578 slugging
    1.032 OPS (best of 3)
    83 strikeouts  (best of 3)
    gold glove finalist

    Player 3
    123 runs (best of 3)
    168 hits
    59 HR (best of 3)
    132 RBI (best of 3)
    85 bb
    .281 average
    .631 slugging (best of 3)
    1.007 OPS
    163 strkeouts
    gold glove finalist


    I give it to Player 1 personally - even though he didn't have a single hitting category that he was the best of this group at.
    Just so happens Player 1 won the Gold Glove at his position & lead his team to the postseason.

    BUT...the other two guys played on shit, losing clubs.
    Neither had any pitching.
    Hell, the Reds had Gold Glove finalists all over and hit very well.  Worst pitchers in baseball.  I don't get penalizing Votto for that.

    Joey Votto:
    1st in NL OPS
    1st in NL in BB (not even close)
    Far and away NL On Base % leader @ .454
    4th in NL Batting Average
    6th in NL slugging %
    tied for 6th in NL HR
    6th in NL runs
    7th in NL hits
    tied for 10th in NL RBI
    played every game
    only struck out 83 times
    gold glove finalist
    Did all of this on a team where most chumps would mail it in 3/4 of the way through the year
    Gave a teammate a donkey for making the ASG. 

    Pretty great year.

    Andre Dawson won one year when the ShClubs were in last place.  It won't happen again, but I don't think there was a better candidate.

    Goldy should win - I think the other 2 guys get a tip of the cap for having great seasons but I do agree the winner is on a winning team if he is in the ballpark, statistically, with the top players in the league.  Last place or 3rd place -- losing is losing.


    Rob
    Seattle

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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 8,235
    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    HOF voting.  Here's my take.  What say you?

    • Steve Garvey
    • Tommy John
    • Don Mattingly
    • Marvin Miller
    • Jack Morris
    • Dale Murphy
    • Dave Parker
    • Ted Simmons
    • Luis Tiant
    • Alan Trammell

    Of these 10 Tommy John gets in for his almost 300 wins.
    Morris should get in for his arm in the World Series.
    Miller should get in for ruining baseball, lol.

    Garvey, Murphy, Parker are all on the cusp but won't make it.

    Mattingly, Simmons, Tiant and Trammell were all good players but will never get in.
    Looking at the numbers closely. 
    My 4 are Mattingly, Parker, Morris, and John. But my guess is one of those will be replaced with Miller.

    And I know people will say. So and so has more hits or home runs than Mattingly. But so and so played at least 5 or more years. And the numbers are still close even with that advantage. 
    Mattingly had 6 good years...  I'd have Garvey or Murphy in before him.
    He retired at 34. He would've had good numbers
    Would have doesn't equal the hall...

    I loved when he played but his numbers aren't good enough.  Hell I don't think Jim Rice should be in.
    Koufax retired early and he's in. Just saying the numbers on most of the guys aren't that great. And he played less years and has similar numbers. If you want to go by WAR. He's probably 4th or 5th of the players he's up against in this ballot. His OPS vs the batters is better than most on this ballot. And he has 2 baseball related nicknames (Hitman and Donnie Baseball). That should count as half a vote
    Jack Morris, Dale Murphy and Marvin Miller should get in from that list.  the rest are border line or below.
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 13,862
    pjhawks said:
    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    HOF voting.  Here's my take.  What say you?

    • Steve Garvey
    • Tommy John
    • Don Mattingly
    • Marvin Miller
    • Jack Morris
    • Dale Murphy
    • Dave Parker
    • Ted Simmons
    • Luis Tiant
    • Alan Trammell

    Of these 10 Tommy John gets in for his almost 300 wins.
    Morris should get in for his arm in the World Series.
    Miller should get in for ruining baseball, lol.

    Garvey, Murphy, Parker are all on the cusp but won't make it.

    Mattingly, Simmons, Tiant and Trammell were all good players but will never get in.
    Looking at the numbers closely. 
    My 4 are Mattingly, Parker, Morris, and John. But my guess is one of those will be replaced with Miller.

    And I know people will say. So and so has more hits or home runs than Mattingly. But so and so played at least 5 or more years. And the numbers are still close even with that advantage. 
    Mattingly had 6 good years...  I'd have Garvey or Murphy in before him.
    He retired at 34. He would've had good numbers
    Would have doesn't equal the hall...

    I loved when he played but his numbers aren't good enough.  Hell I don't think Jim Rice should be in.
    Koufax retired early and he's in. Just saying the numbers on most of the guys aren't that great. And he played less years and has similar numbers. If you want to go by WAR. He's probably 4th or 5th of the players he's up against in this ballot. His OPS vs the batters is better than most on this ballot. And he has 2 baseball related nicknames (Hitman and Donnie Baseball). That should count as half a vote
    Jack Morris, Dale Murphy and Marvin Miller should get in from that list.  the rest are border line or below.
    Wish they had a different section for non-players
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  • gregkitefangregkitefan Posts: 1,064
    Interesting fact about Roy Halladay.
    In 2000 he had an ERA of 10.64 in 67.2 innings pitched.
    The ERA of 10.64 is the worst single season ERA in MLB history with at least 50 innings or more pitched.

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  • cutzcutz Posts: 6,614
    Interesting fact about Roy Halladay.
    In 2000 he had an ERA of 10.64 in 67.2 innings pitched.
    The ERA of 10.64 is the worst single season ERA in MLB history with at least 50 innings or more pitched.

    Yeah, he actually went all the way down to Single A, and worked his way back to be a HOF.  Pretty amazing, really.
  • WhatYouTaughtMeWhatYouTaughtMe I have no idea what's going on right now!Posts: 4,465
    cutz said:
    Interesting fact about Roy Halladay.
    In 2000 he had an ERA of 10.64 in 67.2 innings pitched.
    The ERA of 10.64 is the worst single season ERA in MLB history with at least 50 innings or more pitched.

    Yeah, he actually went all the way down to Single A, and worked his way back to be a HOF.  Pretty amazing, really.
    That's good shit. I'm racking my brain trying to think of another player that came up, sucked for awhile, and then went back down to A ball to come back and dominate that way. 
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 24,335
    Hell of a career for Beltran.  
  • Hell of a career for Beltran.  
    He will be just shy of the Hall. He was great in the post season. 
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 24,335
    Hell of a career for Beltran.  
    He will be just shy of the Hall. He was great in the post season. 
    No doubt hall of famer in my book.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 PDX--->KCPosts: 30,031
    Hell of a career for Beltran.  
    He will be just shy of the Hall. He was great in the post season. 
    No doubt hall of famer in my book.
    I agree
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