Was Bena vinyl sold by 10c?

Strangest Tribe · October 2008

Cardinal wrote:

Why is Benny so great?

I bought a copy...on CD and its on its way to me now from 10C. so tell me why is it so great? ARe the Benny sealed records just rare.... so thats why people are so proud to have it....or is it a musical masterpiece my ears have not heard yet? Inform me...because I dont know.

I dont understand the whole record thing....i dont ever see getting into it either I like new tech rather than old tech.....but i would love to know why this piece is so important to many collectors...its it the low number of them making its cost soar that people get all revved about or is it the music on it and having it in limited quanity?

I really hope its the music.....even though many will take that angle to not look greedy or capitalistic....is that even a word?..lol

lets hear it.

Well, here's my take on it....

Hundreds of thousands of people are PJ fans....out of those, prolly 30 thousand (just a guess) are real friggin die-hard fans... and out of those, prolly 15 thousand (just another guess) are super collectors.

Only 2000 Bennies made.

Some casual PJ fans managed to land a Beny and have come to realize it's worth 20 times or more what they gave for it... so they sell it...

Then there's the vinyl lovers. Vinyl lovers are more than just PJ fans, vinyl lovers collect rare records, so that makes Beny even more attractive to another group of peeps.

Yes, the LP sound IS better than the CD. Especially through headphones. There is no comparison.... the CD is weaksause.... the LP is phenomenal

Cardinal · October 2008

Strangest Tribe wrote:

Well, here's my take on it....

Hundreds of thousands of people are PJ fans....out of those, prolly 30 thousand (just a guess) are real friggin die-hard fans... and out of those, prolly 15 thousand (just another guess) are super collectors.

Only 2000 Bennies made.

Some casual PJ fans managed to land a Beny and have come to realize it's worth 20 times or more what they gave for it... so they sell it...

Then there's the vinyl lovers. Vinyl lovers are more than just PJ fans, vinyl lovers collect rare records, so that makes Beny even more attractive to another group of peeps.

Yes, the LP sound IS better than the CD. Especially through headphones. There is no comparison.... the CD is weaksause.... the LP is phenomenal

thank you.....What about the music......the music......so is it just rareity or top shelf work from them?

Im thinking its a "I have it and you dont" its so rare thing.....that makes me a bigger fan then you thing......nobody seems to talk to the music on it much.

I guess my copy of Benny coming isnt special because its just merely a CD....Am I gonna feel that this is some of the best from PJ.......or its just pretty good....but if it was a CD that only 2000 were made...that makes it great?

Strangest Tribe · October 2008

Cardinal wrote:

thank you.....What about the music......the music......so is it just rareity or top shelf work from them?

Im thinking its a "I have it and you dont" its so rare thing.....that makes me a bigger fan then you thing......nobody seems to talk to the music on it much.

I guess my copy of Benny coming isnt special because its just merely a CD....Am I gonna feel that this is some of the best from PJ.......or its just pretty good....but if it was a CD that only 2000 were made...that makes it great?

No

The actual release is an all acoustic set. Very very very good stuff. You won't be disappointed at all if you are a PJ fan. The music is good whether it's on MP3, CD or Vinyl. It's a must have IMO in any format you can get.

I don't think having the Beny vinyl would make any fan an elitist. Most fans wish they would press a 2nd vinyl release. I know I would and I have the original, but I'd like to have another copy because I listen to it frequently. I don't want it to get scratchy so I clean it after every listen.

It's hard to understand if you're not familiar with listening to records....

It's a vinyl thang:)

Cardinal · October 2008

Strangest Tribe wrote:

No

The actual release is an all acoustic set. Very very very good stuff. You won't be disappointed at all if you are a PJ fan. The music is good whether it's on MP3, CD or Vinyl. It's a must have IMO in any format you can get.

I don't think having the Beny vinyl would make any fan an elitist. Most fans wish they would press a 2nd vinyl release. I know I would and I have the original, but I'd like to have another copy because I listen to it frequently. I don't want it to get scratchy so I clean it after every listen.

It's hard to understand if you're not familiar with listening to records....

It's a vinyl thang:)

Thats what I wanted to hear....or hoped to hear. Thank you for your insight

Horos · October 2008

I don't know how you've never heard it Cardinal but you are in for a treat.

It could be Pearl Jam's best recording ever IMO!

Cardinal · October 2008

Horos wrote:

I don't know how you've never heard it Cardinal but you are in for a treat.

It could be Pearl Jam's best recording ever IMO!

I was a big fan.....then wife, kids, and business crept in........I guess thats why I have yet to hear it. Im kinda glad now...I feel like a new fan thats been there since the beginning....if that makes any sense.

PJ has renewed so many things for me..........I have been waiting to hear this and checking the mail daily.....I hear many talk to the greatness of the Benny LP so...I wanted to know what makes the big deal the music or rareity of the LP. Im glad its the music......because the LP has zero value to me as I will never buy a turn table.....but Im happy for those who do enjoy it!

100 Pacer · October 2008

Strangest Tribe wrote:

Well, here's my take on it....

Hundreds of thousands of people are PJ fans....out of those, prolly 30 thousand (just a guess) are real friggin die-hard fans... and out of those, prolly 15 thousand (just another guess) are super collectors.

Only 2000 Bennies made.

Some casual PJ fans managed to land a Beny and have come to realize it's worth 20 times or more what they gave for it... so they sell it...

Then there's the vinyl lovers. Vinyl lovers are more than just PJ fans, vinyl lovers collect rare records, so that makes Beny even more attractive to another group of peeps.

Yes, the LP sound IS better than the CD. Especially through headphones. There is no comparison.... the CD is weaksause.... the LP is phenomenal

don't forget those of us fortunate enough to have had the opportunity to experience PJ live at Benaroya Hall,...then again, it could be argued that if one was lucky enough to see PJ live at Benaroya Hall does one really deserve the Benaroya vinyl as well?!

Strangest Tribe · October 2008

Yeah, I've listened to it on my iPod numerous times. It's great no matter what format. Usually it's a matter of convenience, it's a lot easier to listen to on my iPod when I'm on the go than even the CD.

Perhaps you may understand the comparisons if you have predominately listened to something on MP3 format and then when you hear it on CD for the first time you are like... "wow, this sounds much better on CD than my iPod"

The same can be said with traditional vinyl when played on a quality turntable vs CD. Traditional vinyl is analog recorded (usually studio 16 track magnetic tape). If vinyl is advertised as digitally remastered then it's pretty much gonna sound the same as a CD.

Digital recordings are crystal clear recordings, there's no surface rubbing against a needle or tape head to cause hiss, roar, or cracking. However the digital recording format causes loss on the highest and lowest ends.
Vinyl captures the original recording as close as you can get next to hearing it live. It is important to keep the vinyl clean and properly stored so you don't get a bunch of crackling and hiss as your record collection gets older and played more.

Strangest Tribe · October 2008

Cardinal wrote:

I was a big fan.....then wife, kids, and business crept in........I guess thats why I have yet to hear it. Im kinda glad now...I feel like a new fan thats been there since the beginning....if that makes any sense.

PJ has renewed so many things for me..........I have been waiting to hear this and checking the mail daily.....I hear many talk to the greatness of the Benny LP so...I wanted to know what makes the big deal the music or rareity of the LP. Im glad its the music......because the LP has zero value to me as I will never buy a turn table.....but Im happy for those who do enjoy it!

Man you are gonna enjoy it...

Don't get hung up on the vinyl.

I only listen to vinyl about once a week. I just don't have the time. I mean it's a great hobby to have it's just something to look forward to whereas I'm gonna be listening to my iPod or car stereo daily because I love music.

Strangest Tribe · October 2008

100 Pacer wrote:

don't forget those of us fortunate enough to have had the opportunity to experience PJ live at Benaroya Hall,...then again, it could be argued that if one was lucky enough to see PJ live at Benaroya Hall does one really deserve the Benaroya vinyl as well?!

show-off!!!

100pacer is a soooper-doooper collector.

youngster · October 2008

Cardinal wrote:

thank you.....What about the music......the music......so is it just rareity or top shelf work from them?

Im thinking its a "I have it and you dont" its so rare thing.....that makes me a bigger fan then you thing......nobody seems to talk to the music on it much.

I guess my copy of Benny coming isnt special because its just merely a CD....Am I gonna feel that this is some of the best from PJ.......or its just pretty good....but if it was a CD that only 2000 were made...that makes it great?

Personally, I think it's up there with their top 3 shows. I haven't heard ALL the shows but of the ones I have, this is their best. Mostly acoustic, it might not hit you the first time but it will. don't worry, the CD is exactly the same as the vinyl musically. It's the collector status that makes the vinyl so special.

On another note: I don't think it's wrong to sell PJ items that you already have. I don't sell my stuff personally, but I have bought stuff secondhand so for me the buyer, it is good. I bought my Benny Hall vinyl off ebay and if it wasn't allowed or no one did it, I wouldn't have one. If something goes up in value after you buy it, it's not your fault. It's not like you have to will all your PJ stuff to your kids in fear of getting in trouble with the 10c. It was said before, this is America and you should be free to do what you want legally. Selling stuff isn't illegal (well, most stuff) so enough said.

anakin_pdx · October 2008

100 Pacer wrote:

don't forget those of us fortunate enough to have had the opportunity to experience PJ live at Benaroya Hall,...then again, it could be argued that if one was lucky enough to see PJ live at Benaroya Hall does one really deserve the Benaroya vinyl as well?!

YES!!! It was such an amazing night. Even in the 3rd level side balcony. I too have the vinyl (bought it around 5:00am PST). A friend keeps telling me I should sell it because it's worth so much, but there is no way that I can. When I put the records on and listen to them, I'm instantly transported back to that magical night.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't labeled with a "not for resale". Besides I think the "not for resale" applies more to immediate reselling for the soul purpose of making money. I mean if I was going to go hungry or be kicked out onto the street, I really don't think the 10C would ban me for selling it 4 years after I purchased it.

But even so, there were instantly a bunch on eBay, and at the time people were bitching that they were selling for over $100. Also it was limited to 1 per club member, and when they announced it was going to be available, you already had to be a 10C member. So you couldn't have signed up and bought one the same day.

Mrs.Vedder78 · October 2008

100 Pacer wrote:

the vinyl went on sale at 12am Pacific. purchased mine from the 10C at 4pm Eastern the day of the sale, 13 hours after the vinyl became available for sale and 15 minutes before the vinyl was out of stock

Thanks for the time clarification, all I remember was wanting to wait and being so exhausted, I had just given birth like a week and a couple of days by that time and I went to bed hoping it would still be on sale when I woke up and it sure was

We tried to for tix for the show and it was good we didn't end up getting them because the week after the tickets went on sale we found out we were preggers

anakin_pdx · October 2008

demetrios wrote:

well, it was a midnight seattle time main event! i was pretty suprised though that it was up that long. only 2000 copies printed.

on the other hand, ebay was just 4 years old that time. so the non pj fans, the ones who just wanted to buy stuff and sell so high on the bay didn't take notice of this stuff.

Actually I've been a registered eBay member since December of 1997. About 6 1/2 years before this was made available. Back in the day when you didn't have to prove who you were. You could have multiple accounts. Your user ID was your e-mail address and I never got SPAM. You could leave feedback to anybody even if you didn't have a transaction with each other. But also back then I never got screwed buying or selling. Last year alone, I had to file 4 complaints with eBay/PayPal.

But back to the topic, any rare item isn't instantly worth big bucks (unless it's over-hyped like Posters where they usually come down in price after the initial rush). It takes time. The number of collectors who won't part with it gets higher, and the number of people who would part with it dwindles. Then I think there are more vinyl collectors now. All back to the basic supply and demand. Far more people want this LP and less and less people are willing to part with it. I can see the ITW vinyl in the multiple hundred dollar range in a few years.

It is unfortunate since I think people who want to hear this show on Vinyl should be able to. Even repress it on black vinyl without the cool numbered box. That way the original would still hold some value for people who care and other people could actually have a chance to buy and listen to it.

AndySlash · October 2008

anakin_pdx wrote:

It is unfortunate since I think people who want to hear this show on Vinyl should be able to.

word.

Was Bena vinyl sold by 10c?

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