pitchfork yet again insults billy corgan

just because you like Corgan, doesnt mean everyone is required to...

oppie1 wrote:

just because you like Corgan, doesnt mean everyone is required to...

No one is saying everyone should like them. But if you going to have any journalistic integrity what soever, you blast everyone for doing this. Not pick and choose.

oppie1 wrote:

its called an editorial.. the writer is allowed to have an opinion, even if you don't agree with it

I am also allowed to have an opinion on an internet forum, quit contradicting yourself

I'm sorry but I think Pitchforks article about the new album with four different versions or whatever was spot on. Seems like a very dirty way of getting more money.

oppie1 wrote:

just because you like Corgan, doesnt mean everyone is required to...

Just cuz you don't like Corgan doesn't mean you have to resort to actually defending Pitchfork :rolleyes:


BTW, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the idea was posed to Corgan like this:

Record Exec. : "You're releasing 4 versions of the album. Put something on them."

You anti-Corgan people pick out every little thing you can use to stab at him with.


And think about it this way you pessimists..

Corgan is one of the most internet-capable artists out there. He knows about technology and uses it fully. He even released an album (a FREE album) over the internet. He knows as well as the rest of us that people don't give a fuck about buying all those versions, we're just gonna download them or get them sent from a friend.

Only collectors will actually buy the alt. versions and those people don't mind paying for it.

So if this was a stick for more money than I can't really see Corgan employing it. Wouldn't make sense.

oppie1 wrote:

i defended pitchfork because they had a valid point slamming the Pumpkins for releasing 4 different versions of the album

They really didn't! It's just gossip about a guy they love to insult.

Corgan there is like Scott Stapp here practically. They insult the fuck out of him constantly.

The whole thing is a record company move anyway.

Everyone has their own opinions on Billy. I think that releasing multiple versions of LPs is really lame... I do like Special Edition packaging though... but outside of that; to have 7 different album cover variations, 2 Limited Edition Packages (DVD Package and Book Package) and 4 different track variations in my opinion is completely lame...

Love or hate Billy, you cannot blame this on him. This is the record company trying to push product. This is nothing new, record companies have been doing this for a while now… (QOTSA, NIN Imports, Deftones, Ryan Adams, Etc.) That is what record companies do. Whether they put the b-sides on Singles, Soundtracks, or Limited Edition Albums, they are trying to get the consumer to buy the more expensive version and/or multiple copies.

They KNOW The Smashing Pumpkins are a big band and have a large fan base. They also know that a lot of SP fans collect their records and versions, and will buy all 4 versions.

As for Pitchfork’s view on why they hate Billy and SP. Who really cares??? Let them not like them, each person is entitles to have their own view on SP.

Hopefully Billy will address this shortly in some way to let people know that this decision was not theirs to make.

Ava17adore wrote:

Everyone has their own opinions on Billy. I think that releasing multiple versions of LPs is really lame... I do like Special Edition packaging though... but outside of that; to have 7 different album cover variations, 2 Limited Edition Packages (DVD Package and Book Package) and 4 different track variations in my opinion is completely lame...

Love or hate Billy, you cannot blame this on him. This is the record company trying to push product. This is nothing new, record companies have been doing this for a while now… (QOTSA, NIN Imports, Deftones, Ryan Adams, Etc.) That is what record companies do. Whether they put the b-sides on Singles, Soundtracks, or Limited Edition Albums, they are trying to get the consumer to buy the more expensive version and/or multiple copies.

They KNOW The Smashing Pumpkins are a big band and have a large fan base. They also know that a lot of SP fans collect their records and versions, and will buy all 4 versions.

As for Pitchfork’s view on why they hate Billy and SP. Who really cares??? Let them not like them, each person is entitles to have their own view on SP.

Hopefully Billy will address this shortly in some way to let people know that this decision was not theirs to make.

I'm hoping he'll just put the b-sides up for download on his myspace or something. It wouldn't really be that bad (though I bet he's contractionally obligated not to do it).

He could say ..

"If you're a collector, buy them. If not, here you go. Listen to them."

Pitchfork is fucking hilarious.

Its called a choice people, buy the four if you want, or buy one and download the extras if you dont.

Anyone who doesnt think that WBR has a big hand in the marketing of this record has got to be kidding.

The simple fact that the band is playing shows at the orange peel and fillmore for 20$, shows they are not out to rape people out of their money.

Hell now a days you have fringe acts that charge for 20-30$ for a show.