Acoustic amp?

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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Fins! Now THAT'S rock and roll when you smoke an acoustic amp! Cheers to that! :D


    I did have my twelve string soundhole pickup plugged into a Vox Wah, Dallas Arbiter Fuzz Face,BOSS Heavy Metal pedal (I think it was BOSS), Marshall Guv'nor Boost pedal, Guyatone TZ-The Fuzz, DOD phaser, DOD envelope filter, flanger (I forget the make) and my old Yamaha delay at the time, so maybe that didn't help too much. :D
  • ianvomsaal
    ianvomsaal Suncoast, FL Posts: 1,224
    - Anyhow . . . generally speaking acoustic guitars typically sound best through some type of PA beacuse of their flat response, which is why most acoustic amps handle vocals fine. Most acoustic amps have a preamp in them geared towards the guitar which allow for a richer more controllable guitar tone than just a PA.

    - That said, most PA's handle acoustic guitars very very well - I've only used acoustic amps a few times because there was just no need for them (and especially if there's a decent preamp available - or if your guitar doesn't have a pre-amp you like - This one is actually nice (and used by many pros): http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/LR-Baggs-Para-Acoustic-DI?sku=307160.

    - If you're looking to get a nice sounding acoustic amp at a fairly "easy on the pocket" price, this one sounds great for the $$$ - a lot of bigger venues in San Diego and LA actually run these into a PA with the optional extension cab as a monitor: https://www.carvinguitars.com/products/single.php?product=AG100D

    - I've also used these acoustic amps with great success (however, the prices typically start at almost double the AG100D):
    Rivera Sedona, SWR California Blonde, Fender Acoustasonic SFX, L.R. Baggs Core 1.
    Again, you can get away with plugging into a PA with similar results (minus the specific guitar related controls like a notch, phase, ground, presence).
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    ianvomsaal wrote:
    - Anyhow . . . generally speaking acoustic guitars typically sound best through some type of PA beacuse of their flat response, which is why most acoustic amps handle vocals fine. Most acoustic amps have a preamp in them geared towards the guitar which allow for a richer more controllable guitar tone than just a PA.

    - That said, most PA's handle acoustic guitars very very well - I've only used acoustic amps a few times because there was just no need for them (and especially if there's a decent preamp available - or if your guitar doesn't have a pre-amp you like - This one is actually nice (used by many pros): http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/LR-Baggs-Para-Acoustic-DI?sku=307160).

    - If you're looking to get a nice sounding acoustic amp at a fairly "easy on the pocket" price, this one sounds great for the $$$ - a lot of bigger venues in San Diego and LA actually run these into a PA with the optional extension cab as a monitor: https://www.carvinguitars.com/products/single.php?product=AG100D

    - I've also used these acoustic amps with great success (however, the prices typically start at almost double the AG100D):
    Rivera Sedona, SWR California Blonde, Fender Acoustasonic SFX, L.R. Baggs Core 1.
    Again, you can get away with plugging into a PA with similar results (minus the specific guitar related controls like a notch, phase, ground, presence).

    However, it has to be asked, what about acoustic guitars going through effects pedals, and out through DI to the sound desk? I've heard odd stories about PA systems bypassing effects and losing volume and tone: that loss happened at the flip of a switch on the desk. And I'm talking about nationally-gigging but fairly unknown acoustic artists, playing venues across the UK. Your guess is as good as mine as to what might have killed the sound, if the pedals and guitar were okay. I've not had that happen to me, but I have thought, sometimes, that a good acoustic backline is a safeguard against weird fuckups or incompetence by soundpeople who are supposed to know what they're doing.
  • ianvomsaal
    ianvomsaal Suncoast, FL Posts: 1,224
    However, it has to be asked, what about acoustic guitars going through effects pedals, and out through DI to the sound desk? I've heard odd stories about PA systems bypassing effects and losing volume and tone: that loss happened at the flip of a switch on the desk. And I'm talking about nationally-gigging but fairly unknown acoustic artists, playing venues across the UK. Your guess is as good as mine as to what might have killed the sound, if the pedals and guitar were okay. I've not had that happen to me, but I have thought, sometimes, that a good acoustic backline is a safeguard against weird fuckups or incompetence by soundpeople who are supposed to know what they're doing.
    Hmm, let me think. Well one thing that might help this would be a good DI/Preamp like the LR Baggs EQ I mentioned - I can't think of what would have killed their signal except for unskilled soundguys, improper routing, impedance mismatches of the PA inputs and the guitar pickup(s), bad cables, a bad DI, or a dead battery. I've shared large stages with national acts playing my 814CE Taylor (with the older onboard Fishman blender), and I've never had any dropout problems - and I almost always run Boss pedals (TU-2, CE-5, DD-6, and sometimes a TS-9 and RC-20) through a good DI (for long signal lengths) to the board - maybe the DI they were using didn't handle effects well - I always try to carry a good DI with me for this reason since a lot of sound guys only have cheap DI's, and sometimes those DI's don't match with your equipment well - I mean why play through a crappy DI - it's your sound, if it's important to you make sure you're sending a good signal.
    I was talking with Dave Matthews a few years ago about feedback problems and such on big stages (since he plays on huge stages all the time) - He runs wireless all the time - first and foremost he's got great sound guys (said he drives his stage monitor tech nuts because he's always moving around) - His signal runs through a great pre-amp, EQ, harmonizer, and into an audio splitter, one side goes through more processors before the PA, and the other side goes to a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe or Matchless DC-30 (which is Mic'd in an isolation cabinet). I don't remember him saying he had any problems with dropouts - I'm sure he would have said if he had had any dropout issues since I asked about any other problems (other than feedback issues with so many instruments on stage).
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  • mccreadyisgod
    mccreadyisgod Bumfuq, MT Posts: 6,395
    If we're recommending good acoustic amps now, I would throw my support behind Fishman's Loudbox amps, as well as the Genz Benz Shenandoah stuff.

    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/navigation?q=Fishman+Loudbox&st=

    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/navigation?q=Genz+Benz+Shenandoah+&st=
    ...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    I just want to be quite clear that "twinks" is not a reference to sexuality in any way. A Twinky is a lightweight snack with no substance.

    I didn't really appreciate being falsely accused of something I did not do, and being repeatedly insulted by Mr Ian vom Saal. Ian didn't like it when I took issue with him raging against a PJ tribute band promoting their concerts here, so he's looking for a chance to get me back.
    Truth is, the link in his sig is as much spam as anything. I don't really have a problem with that, it's no big deal.


    Anyone else here OK with having false accusations made against them, and words put in their posts they did not say ???

    No, didn't think so !!

    Over and out !!
    Music is not a competetion.