Canadian Politics Redux

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  • Arlene Dickenson once again spot on about the matter: 

    Some politicians deceitfully campaign in diversity but openly govern in Christianity. 

    This week, multiple Conservative MPs stood on the floor of the House of Commons held Bibles near their chests, took selfies, and filmed video of themselves doing so. This blatant act violated explicit parliamentary rules against props in the House and the use of mobile devices in the chamber. The Speaker said absolutely nothing, which is so cowardly and also says he’s clearly not doing his job. And those MPs? They then proudly posted the pictures to social media, as if holding a Bible on the floor of Parliament means standing for what’s “right”  for everyone.

    At election time, these very same MPs canvass in Sikh temples, speak at Muslim community halls, attend Hindu festivals, and tell Canadians of every background that they’ll represent them equally  They ask for and will take anyone’s vote. They smile for photos with any voter. They make all the promises to everyone they can.

    And then what do they do once they’re chosen by a diverse electorate? They walk into Parliament and make it absolutely clear whose faith actually governs as if faith of any kind even belongs there.

    This isn’t them defending religious freedom. It’s the weaponization of one religion to dominate public life and the filter with which they want to govern, while everyone else is expected to quietly accept their place. And that place isn’t equal representation. It’s not democracy. It’s not a government for all. 

    It’s not just happening in Ottawa. Smith has allowed faith-based Christian nationalism to become the backbone of her political movement. Her government has considered handing public hospitals to the Catholic Church! Perhaps she should recall how well that went with residential schools and the fatal and brutal outcomes. The movement that brought her to power, Take Back Alberta, is led overwhelmingly by evangelical Christians explicitly using their faith as a governing ideology. She courts that base relentlessly while insisting she represents all Albertans. She does not.

    So to every Muslim Canadian, every Sikh, every Jew, every Hindu, every First Nations person, every person of no faith who’s  ever been wooed by a candidate at your community event please remember this. Write letters to your MP’s. You deserve to know what happens to your voice after those running get your vote. Any party that uses any religious prop in parliament or uses Christian nationalism after elected is a direct betrayal of democracy itself.

    The separation of church and state isn’t a bureaucratic nicety. It’s the only guarantee that a pluralistic democracy actually represents everyone. When that line’s crossed (and cheered), 
    democracy itself is greatly diminished.

    Canadians of all faiths, or no faith, deserve the same representation. That’s why we vote. We all deserve better than someone who takes our vote but won’t give our voice any sound because of our faith, colour or beliefs. 

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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,066
    Arlene Dickenson once again spot on about the matter: 

    Some politicians deceitfully campaign in diversity but openly govern in Christianity. 

    This week, multiple Conservative MPs stood on the floor of the House of Commons held Bibles near their chests, took selfies, and filmed video of themselves doing so. This blatant act violated explicit parliamentary rules against props in the House and the use of mobile devices in the chamber. The Speaker said absolutely nothing, which is so cowardly and also says he’s clearly not doing his job. And those MPs? They then proudly posted the pictures to social media, as if holding a Bible on the floor of Parliament means standing for what’s “right”  for everyone.

    At election time, these very same MPs canvass in Sikh temples, speak at Muslim community halls, attend Hindu festivals, and tell Canadians of every background that they’ll represent them equally  They ask for and will take anyone’s vote. They smile for photos with any voter. They make all the promises to everyone they can.

    And then what do they do once they’re chosen by a diverse electorate? They walk into Parliament and make it absolutely clear whose faith actually governs as if faith of any kind even belongs there.

    This isn’t them defending religious freedom. It’s the weaponization of one religion to dominate public life and the filter with which they want to govern, while everyone else is expected to quietly accept their place. And that place isn’t equal representation. It’s not democracy. It’s not a government for all. 

    It’s not just happening in Ottawa. Smith has allowed faith-based Christian nationalism to become the backbone of her political movement. Her government has considered handing public hospitals to the Catholic Church! Perhaps she should recall how well that went with residential schools and the fatal and brutal outcomes. The movement that brought her to power, Take Back Alberta, is led overwhelmingly by evangelical Christians explicitly using their faith as a governing ideology. She courts that base relentlessly while insisting she represents all Albertans. She does not.

    So to every Muslim Canadian, every Sikh, every Jew, every Hindu, every First Nations person, every person of no faith who’s  ever been wooed by a candidate at your community event please remember this. Write letters to your MP’s. You deserve to know what happens to your voice after those running get your vote. Any party that uses any religious prop in parliament or uses Christian nationalism after elected is a direct betrayal of democracy itself.

    The separation of church and state isn’t a bureaucratic nicety. It’s the only guarantee that a pluralistic democracy actually represents everyone. When that line’s crossed (and cheered), 
    democracy itself is greatly diminished.

    Canadians of all faiths, or no faith, deserve the same representation. That’s why we vote. We all deserve better than someone who takes our vote but won’t give our voice any sound because of our faith, colour or beliefs. 

    ♥️🇨🇦
    That’s a cute rant by Dickenson.

    What does she think about the Quebec law and the Supreme Court challenge?

    What does she say about the GOVERNMENT cozying up to countries that were, months ago, the primary threats to our democracy?

    Anything but the actual issue will be discussed by you, as usual I expect.
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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,066
    which all sane people know is just more projection

    Cute way to call someone insane, classy.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,066
    I apologize, I forgot not to feed the trolls, lol.

    The comment I replied to didn’t need to include the preamble in order to be civil, which I thought was the policy.  Since Hugh has me on ignore perhaps someone else could politely point that out to him.

     I honestly don’t see how that preamble could be anything but a personal dig at me though. I had been actually enjoying sitting back in the shadows but this was unnecessary childishness.

    In my decade posting here I have never personally put down other posters, but I’ve been called delusional, insane, told I have reading comprehension issues, among other comments. Admittedly it’s mostly been from one person, but not always, and it’s been essentially officially condoned (fine, it’s a private company where we don’t really have any rights), which is why I withdrew. Standing up for myself has only ever gotten me in trouble, so I’m working on accepting my role as everyone’s whipping boy, and as I opened with, I’ll work to not feed the trolls again.

     I have no clue how I’m still able to post.
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  • Parksy
    Parksy Posts: 1,897
    While I can understand and even in some cases applaud what the conservatives are doing here... to me it stinks of more political hypocrisy. 

    They want to fight or call out liberals for perceived slights against freedoms of expression with religious beliefs as a crutch. 

    But what did the conservatives say when folks were trying to use freedom of religion as a means of covering their faces during citizenship processes, or not wearing helmets for religious reasons, or wearing a kerpan (sp?) 

    Where I stand personally on all these subjects is convoluted at best... but about these MPs and their theatrics... my only thought is: 'careful what you wish for.' 


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  • Parksy said:
    While I can understand and even in some cases applaud what the conservatives are doing here... to me it stinks of more political hypocrisy. 

    They want to fight or call out liberals for perceived slights against freedoms of expression with religious beliefs as a crutch. 

    But what did the conservatives say when folks were trying to use freedom of religion as a means of covering their faces during citizenship processes, or not wearing helmets for religious reasons, or wearing a kerpan (sp?) 

    Where I stand personally on all these subjects is convoluted at best... but about these MPs and their theatrics... my only thought is: 'careful what you wish for.' 


    freedom to be hateful is an interesting hill for them to die on. 
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  • Parksy
    Parksy Posts: 1,897
    agreed
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,688
    edited March 31
    I apologize, I forgot not to feed the trolls, lol.

    The comment I replied to didn’t need to include the preamble in order to be civil, which I thought was the policy.  Since Hugh has me on ignore perhaps someone else could politely point that out to him.

     I honestly don’t see how that preamble could be anything but a personal dig at me though. I had been actually enjoying sitting back in the shadows but this was unnecessary childishness.

    In my decade posting here I have never personally put down other posters, but I’ve been called delusional, insane, told I have reading comprehension issues, among other comments. Admittedly it’s mostly been from one person, but not always, and it’s been essentially officially condoned (fine, it’s a private company where we don’t really have any rights), which is why I withdrew. Standing up for myself has only ever gotten me in trouble, so I’m working on accepting my role as everyone’s whipping boy, and as I opened with, I’ll work to not feed the trolls again.

     I have no clue how I’m still able to post.

    I couldn't care less about this beef of yours, and I am sure I speak for many others as well. I just want my thread to stay open, so please stop it. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Posts: 41,298
    edited March 31
    thoughts on NDP's new leader? I admittedly didn't know who he was. I was shocked to find out he was a MuchMusic VJ for a while. lol

    I don't know if this is a desperation move by the NDP or a serious shift, but them trying to move the party even farther left seems risky. Especially being basically disavowed by provincial NDP leaders. It seems the country is enjoying having a centrist PM right now. We'll see how it is after a little longer. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,688
    thoughts on NDP's new leader? I admittedly didn't know who he was. I was shocked to find out he was a MuchMusic VJ for a while. lol

    I don't know if this is a desperation move by the NDP or a serious shift, but them trying to move the party even farther left seems risky. Especially being basically disavowed by provincial NDP leaders. It seems the country is enjoying having a centrist PM right now. We'll see how it is after a little longer. 

    I'm not sure I have any thoughts on it yet... I know my friend who always votes NDP nationally (I don't, necessarily - it depends on the current state of affairs whether I vote Liberal or NDP federally. I'm a provincial NDPer though) thinks it's absolute lunacy not to have chosen someone from Quebec this time around. He has a good point. 
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  • erebus
    erebus Posts: 681
    I watched some of the leadership race over the weekend.  The NDP are going faaaaaaaarrrr left.
    In my opinion this will not end well for them.
    This should put Liberals in a majority position. 
    Although in think of the current Liberals under Carney as traditional conservatives,  and the Conservatives under Poilievre as further right wing, although not as extreme as the NDP are going left.
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  • the good thing is our multi-party system, so our politics won't fracture like they did down south, but if two parties are going fringe, and one party remains in the middle, this could mean a VERY long tenure for the liberals in power, and I'm not sure I like ANY party in power that long. 
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  • erebus
    erebus Posts: 681
    I used to think "let the NDP have a shot, the Libs and Cons have both had many opportunities." Now it's a little too extreme for me. Layton was a reasonable choice,  but going way too left now.
    I'll take the centrist party, but I want the ruling party to work with the other parties. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,688
    I feel it's a little soon to be making such strong judgements about this - we need time to actually see what this guy says over the next couple years before knowing they are going too far left or not. It's been like a day, lol. 

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Posts: 41,298
    his victory speech is stuff that's pretty aligned with AOC/Sanders. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Posts: 41,298
    When your wanna be leader doesn’t understand basic concepts like GDP, time to move on. 

    sorry guys, PP is a dolt. 

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  • Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer