Team Mueller (and Their Report)

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  • Fuckface as always knows just what to say for every occasion! 
    He is a heartless, emotionless pathological narcissist. 
    Nobody should be surprised by anything he says or does.

    Just like it's no surprise that his 77 million worshipers, some of whom are on here, continue to believe, follow, support, and vote for him no matter how insane or malicious he is.

    what is lower than a piece of shit? because that is what he is.

    that said, mueller fucked up by not filing charges against trump. him not doing so is exactly why we are where we are now.
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  • Gern Blansten
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    I saw that from trump and thought there was no way it was real...

    Unfuckingbelievable
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  • Tim Simmons
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    nah. its absolutely believable. He is that big of a piece of shit. 

  • mickeyrat
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    Fuckface as always knows just what to say for every occasion! 
    He is a heartless, emotionless pathological narcissist. 
    Nobody should be surprised by anything he says or does.

    Just like it's no surprise that his 77 million worshipers, some of whom are on here, continue to believe, follow, support, and vote for him no matter how insane or malicious he is.

    what is lower than a piece of shit? because that is what he is.

    that said, mueller fucked up by not filing charges against trump. him not doing so is exactly why we are where we are now.

    he referred to the appropriate US A offices.

    he didnt have that authority to bring charges himself , because of foj policy on sitting precedents.
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    mickeyrat said:
    Fuckface as always knows just what to say for every occasion! 
    He is a heartless, emotionless pathological narcissist. 
    Nobody should be surprised by anything he says or does.

    Just like it's no surprise that his 77 million worshipers, some of whom are on here, continue to believe, follow, support, and vote for him no matter how insane or malicious he is.

    what is lower than a piece of shit? because that is what he is.

    that said, mueller fucked up by not filing charges against trump. him not doing so is exactly why we are where we are now.

    he referred to the appropriate US A offices.

    he didnt have that authority to bring charges himself , I dont think. 
    i am probably misremembering and too lazy to look it up, but i think he could have. he referred him to be charged by the appropriate offices and gave them a roadmap for a case, but he did not charge him because he did not want it to appear politicized. i think that is what happened but again i am too lazy to look it up at this point. 

    i remember everyone being baffled when he wasn't charged because it was so obvious he was guilty.
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  • From what I recall, it’s a long standing DOJ “policy”, loose but not written, not to charge a sitting president. 

    trump has managed to weasel his way into every grey area no one expected a president to wade into. 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 26,040
    From what I recall, it’s a long standing DOJ “policy”, loose but not written, not to charge a sitting president. 

    trump has managed to weasel his way into every grey area no one expected a president to wade into. 
    it is dumb luck. no way that dementia ridden brain is as cunning as it would need to be to deliberately pull these things off. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    CCOOTWH doesn’t possess, nor ever will, one scintilla of favorable human characteristic as Team Mueller. With what CCOOTWH said about his death, I hope the mods will be forgiving when the time comes. Imagine having anything to do with him? Hey Barren and Ivanka Darlink, tell us about your dad, eh?

    Robert S. Mueller III, 81, Dies; Rebuilt F.B.I. and Led Trump Inquiry

    After he concluded that Russia had interfered in the 2016 election, he became a target of the president’s anger.

    Robert S. Mueller III, who led the Federal Bureau of Investigation for 12 tumultuous years, brought politically explosive indictments as a special counsel examining Russia’s attack on the 2016 presidential election, and then concluded that he could neither absolve nor accuse President Trump of a crime, died on Friday. He was 81.

    His family confirmed the death in a statement but did not say where he died or give the cause.

    Mr. Trump remained unforgiving of Mr. Mueller’s investigation even after Mr. Mueller’s death. On learning of it on Saturday, he posted on Truth Social: “Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people!”

    A button-down, lockjawed, rock-ribbed exemplar of a vanishing caste, the liberal Republican, Mr. Mueller became the F.B.I. director just a week before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

    He went on to impose the most significant structural and cultural changes in the history of the F.B.I., seeking to transform the bureau into a 21st-century intelligence service that could protect both national security and civil liberties. And his counterterrorism agents were the first to blow the whistle on abuses at the secret prisons that the C.I.A. had established after 9/11 to detain, interrogate and, in some cases, torture terrorism suspects.

    But he may be best remembered for what he did after he left the F.B.I., when he was summoned to investigate a sitting president.

    The Justice Department named Mr. Mueller special counsel on May 17, 2017, eight days after Mr. Trump dismissed the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, who was investigating the interactions between the Trump campaign and a Russian covert operation to help him win the White House.

    The president’s reason for dismissing Mr. Comey was no secret. The next day, in the Oval Office, he told the Russia foreign minister and the Russian ambassador: “I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy.” Mr. Trump continued: “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

    Upon hearing of Mr. Mueller’s appointment, and knowing his reputation, Mr. Trump was despondent. “Oh, my God,” he said. “This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency.”

    He knew, as Mr. Mueller later put it, that “a thorough F.B.I. investigation would uncover facts about the campaign and the president personally that the president could have understood to be crimes.”

    One potential charge was obstruction of justice, the statute that had paved the way to President Richard M. Nixon’s resignation in 1974 and President Bill Clinton’s impeachment in 1998. Justice Department guidelines, never tested in court, decreed that a sitting president could not be indicted. Yet Mr. Trump’s many political foes hoped that the special counsel might somehow help unseat him.

    Mr. Mueller hired a team of federal prosecutors whose collective experience reached back to the Watergate scandal. They brought indictments against a cohort of Russian spies and the command structure of a troll farm in the Russian city of St. Petersburg, the Internet Research Agency, which had conducted a misinformation campaign in the 2016 election at the direction of the Kremlin.

    They sent Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s first campaign manager, to prison for fraud. They won a guilty plea from retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, Mr. Trump’s first national security adviser, and a conviction of Roger Stone, one of Mr. Trump’s oldest political advisers, for lying to investigators.

    The investigation reversed the polarity of public perceptions of the F.B.I., whose agents executed Mr. Mueller’s orders. Liberals who had long loathed the bureau now claimed to love it. Conservatives who had long revered it now reviled it. The American Civil Liberties Union held rallies championing Mr. Mueller. For his part, Mr. Trump assailed the F.B.I., the Justice Department and, eventually, Mr. Mueller himself, writing repeatedly on Twitter that the case was a “WITCH HUNT!”

    Mr. Mueller stood above the fray, never commenting, never showing his hand. But when he confronted the issue of holding the president accountable for obstruction of justice, he balked.

    An F.B.I. in Turmoil

    Mr. Mueller became the sixth F.B.I. director on Sept. 4, 2001. His second week in office brought an epochal catastrophe.

    Early on Sept. 12, the day after airplanes hijacked by the terrorist group Al Qaeda had hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, killing 2,977 people, President George W. Bush asked Mr. Mueller bluntly what the F.B.I. was doing to thwart the next attack.

    The president posed that question to him daily at dawn briefings for years thereafter. But the bureau Mr. Mueller had inherited was fatally incapable of carrying out its counterterrorism and counterintelligence missions.

    The F.B.I. had “failed again and again and again,” in the words of Thomas H. Kean, the Republican chairman of the 9/11 Commission, which investigated the systemic governmental flaws that enabled the plot to succeed.

    The bureau’s chains of command had buckled and snapped. Computer systems constantly crashed. Wiretaps of foreign terrorists went unread for want of translators. When anthrax-laced letters sent to senators and journalists killed five people, only a few days after 9/11, it took the F.B.I. nearly seven years to identify a suspect, a government biodefense scientist.

    “We have to smash the F.B.I. into bits and rebuild it,” the F.B.I.’s assistant director for counterterrorism, Dale Watson, had told his White House counterpart, Richard A. Clarke, before the attacks.

    Smashing things was not Mr. Mueller’s way. But in his effort to transform the F.B.I., the first goal required, among many other things, repairing lines of communication with political leaders at the White House and in Congress, the electronic eavesdroppers at the National Security Agency, and the spies at the Central Intelligence Agency. Those channels had been broken for years; the imperious J. Edgar Hoover, who founded the bureau and led it from 1924 to 1972, had seen the C.I.A. as his greatest enemy, after Communism and the civil rights movement, and the rivalry had persisted long after his death.

    When it came to preserving civil liberties in an age of counterterrorism, Mr. Mueller was largely on his own in an administration that saw itself engaged in a zealous crusade. He had to enforce the provisions of the newly enacted Patriot Act, which vastly expanded the government’s surveillance powers, while upholding the Constitution. That was a treacherous tightrope to walk.

    The F.B.I. rounded up more than 1,200 people in the eight weeks after 9/11; none were members of Al Qaeda. In the process, it violated some elemental legal protections. The bureau also sharply increased the use of informants who served as agent provocateurs in Islamic communities. All this was done under the president’s command to put the F.B.I. on a military footing in the aftermath of the attacks.

    But Mr. Mueller’s counterterrorism agents also exposed the C.I.A.’s secret “black sites.” They reported torture and abuses at those facilities and in the bleak chambers of the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. In October 2002, F.B.I. agents at Guantánamo Bay in Cuba, where terrorism suspects were imprisoned and interrogated, opened a running file that they later labeled War Crimes.

    Mr. Mueller said publicly that same month that he wanted no one to assert that Americans had won the war on terror but lost their freedom on his watch. Nevertheless, as the fear of another Al Qaeda attack consumed the Bush White House, the tensions between national security and civil liberties became unbearable.

    Early in 2004, Mr. Mueller and his immediate superior at the Justice Department, the deputy attorney general, Mr. Comey, learned that Mr. Bush had authorized the N.S.A. to spy on Americans. The program, code-named Stellarwind, was so secret that very few people were aware of how it worked.

    The N.S.A., created to gather foreign intelligence abroad, was eavesdropping freely in the United States, without search warrants, collecting electronic records of millions of telephone conversations, emails and internet addresses. Then it sent the raw data to the bureau. The F.B.I. found that dealing with this deluge was like trying to drink from a fire hose. And the surveillance program had never saved a life, stopped an imminent attack or unveiled a member of Al Qaeda in the United States.

    Of greater concern to Mr. Mueller and Mr. Comey was their determination that the program violated the Constitution’s protections against illegal searches and seizures. They convinced Attorney General John Ashcroft that he could not reauthorize Stellarwind. But Mr. Bush did so, unilaterally, on the morning of March 11, 2004, asserting in effect that his power overrode the Constitution.

    Mr. Mueller took meticulous notes. He recorded that the president was “trying to do an end run around the law.” At 1:30 a.m. on March 12, he sat at his kitchen table and drafted a letter of resignation. “I am forced to withdraw the F.B.I. from participation in the program,” he wrote; if the president did not back down, he would resign. Both Mr. Comey and Mr. Ashcroft were determined to go with him.

    Eight hours later, with the resignation letter in the breast pocket of his suit, Mr. Mueller sat alone with Mr. Bush in the White House.

    “I had to make a big decision, and fast,” Mr. Bush wrote in his memoirs. “I thought about the Saturday Night Massacre” — the 1973 Watergate debacle in which President Nixon forced the attorney general and his deputy to resign to protect his secret White House tapes, a desperate move that in time destroyed his presidency.

    “That was not,” Mr. Bush observed, “a historical crisis I was eager to replicate.” He could stand his ground “while my administration imploded.” Or he could bow to Mr. Mueller and let the secret programs be scaled back and placed on a legal footing. He chose the second path, though it took years.

    In May 2005, Mr. Comey told a select audience at the N.S.A. what Mr. Mueller had done: “It takes far more than a sharp legal mind to say ‘no’ when it matters most,” he said. “It takes moral character. It takes an ability to see the future. It takes an appreciation of the damage that will flow from an unjustified ‘yes.’” Stellarwind stayed secret for seven months thereafter, until The New York Times revealed its outlines.

    Mr. Mueller never spoke publicly of his confrontation with the president.

    At the F.B.I.’s headquarters — the J. Edgar Hoover Building, a Brutalist edifice standing halfway between the White House and Capitol Hill — Mr. Mueller ran a tight ship. He was like a battlefield commander; his word was law. He could be brusque and unforgiving, yet field agents seemed to like his style; they nicknamed him “Bobby Three Sticks,” after the Roman numeral that followed his name.

    Garrett Graff, a young journalist who had been granted unique access to the Mueller F.B.I., noted that the director, in meetings with subordinates, would quote a gruff line spoken by Gene Hackman, playing a Navy submarine captain, in the 1995 Cold War thriller “Crimson Tide”: “We’re here to preserve democracy, not to practice it.”

    After Hoover’s 48-year reign, a tenure unmatched in the high offices of American government, Congress had mandated a 10-year term of office for F.B.I. directors. None ever lasted it out, except Mr. Mueller. In 2011, President Barack Obama asked him to stay on two more years. Congress concurred. Its members widely regarded him as the best director in the bureau’s 100-year history, Hoover being relegated to a category all his own.

    When Mr. Mueller finally stepped down in June 2013, to be succeeded by Mr. Comey, the president praised him effusively.

    “Under his watch, the F.B.I. joined forces with our intelligence, military and homeland security professionals to break up Al Qaeda cells, disrupt their activities and thwart their plots,” Mr. Obama said in a 10-minute Rose Garden ceremony. “Countless Americans are alive today, and our country is more secure, because of the F.B.I.’s outstanding work under the leadership of Bob Mueller.”

    And with that, Mr. Mueller ended a lifetime of public service. Or so he thought.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Continued from previous post:

    Born Into Privilege

    Robert Swan Mueller III was born in Manhattan on Aug. 7, 1944. The first child of Alice (Truesdale) and Robert Swan Mueller Jr., he was a scion of what was once known as the Eastern Establishment.

    His patrician parents first lived on Park Avenue, and later in a stately manor on Philadelphia’s Main Line. His father, a Navy officer in the Atlantic and the Mediterranean during World War II, became an executive at DuPont, America’s oldest and most powerful chemical company. His mother was a first cousin of Richard M. Bissell Jr., later chief of the C.I.A.’s clandestine service, the creator of both the U-2 spy plane and the plan for the disastrous 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion.

    He enrolled at St. Paul’s, an elite prep school in Concord, N.H., where he was elected captain of the soccer, hockey and lacrosse teams. His classmate Maxwell King, later the editor of The Philadelphia Inquirer, said he embodied “the tradition of the ‘muscular Christian’ that came out of the English public-school world of the 19th century.”

    A photo of the 1961-62 varsity hockey squad shows Mr. Mueller sitting next to his teammate John Kerry, the future senator and secretary of state, both with lantern jaws and steely gazes.

    Mr. Mueller graduated from Princeton in 1966, with a bachelor’s degree in politics, and from New York University in 1967, with a master’s in international relations. Before enrolling at N.Y.U., he married Ann Cabell Standish, who had embarked on a career of teaching children with learning disabilities. (They would have two daughters, Cynthia and Melissa, and later three grandchildren.)

    A complete list of survivors was not immediately available.

    In 1968, not many men with blue blood were signing up to shed it in Vietnam. But after a close friend and lacrosse teammate at Princeton died in battle, Mr. Mueller joined the Marine Corps. After Officer Candidate School and the Army’s Ranger School — Marines trained as Rangers often led long-range reconnaissance patrols, hunt-and-kill missions with a high mortality rate — he shipped out to the Dong Ha combat base, on the northern edge of South Vietnam, near enemy territory.

    “You were scared to death of the unknown,” he told Mr. Graff 40 years later. “More afraid in some ways of failure than death, more afraid of being found wanting.” That species of intense fear, he said, “animates your unconscious.”

    On his first tour, as a second lieutenant, he earned a Bronze Star for valor on Dec. 11, 1968, while leading an outgunned rifle platoon ambushed in Quang Tri province by an enemy armed with rocket-propelled grenades, machine guns and mortars.

    His citation said he “personally led a fire team across the fire-swept area terrain to recover a mortally wounded Marine,” and it commended his “courage, aggressive initiative and unwavering devotion to duty at great personal risk.”

    Four months later, he was shot through the thigh with an AK-47 round while leading his platoon to rescue American soldiers under a lethal Vietcong attack. He was awarded the Purple Heart.

    His wife of two years had told Lieutenant Mueller during a rest-and-recuperation stop in Hawaii that the law might be a wiser pursuit than the war. He took her counsel and left Vietnam for the University of Virginia. The month he finished law school, in the spring of 1973, was the moment when Watergate metastasized into “a cancer on the presidency,” as the White House counsel John W. Dean III told the president while the tapes were still spinning in the Oval Office.

    In 1976, Mr. Mueller became a federal prosecutor in San Francisco and rose swiftly through the ranks to become chief of the criminal division for the Northern District of California.

    In 1982, he moved to Boston, where he prosecuted fraud, corruption, money-laundering and terrorism cases. In 1989, after a stint as a partner at a white-shoe Boston law firm, he joined the Justice Department in Washington. He became chief of the criminal division in 1990. In that post, he led close to 100 U.S. attorney offices and some 2,000 federal prosecutors, as well as the F.B.I. and its enormous powers, including its ability to wiretap and conduct electronic surveillance.

    His immediate superior was the deputy attorney general, William P. Barr, whose path would cross Mr. Mueller’s again nearly 30 years later, in the Trump administration.

    Mr. Mueller oversaw the prosecution of the Panamanian strongman Manuel Noriega, a longtime ally of the C.I.A. in its war on Communism in Central America, who had been indicted as a cocaine kingpin. The United States had gone to war in Panama to dislodge him from power.

    Mr. Mueller’s most difficult case was the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, which killed 259 people. The F.B.I. had failed to solve it for two years. Mr. Mueller used his power under law to obliterate the bureau’s byzantine lines of authority in the case. He brought in the C.I.A., Britain’s MI5 and the Scottish constabulary, and they all shared their information.

    A tip from the Scots put the F.B.I. on the trail of one of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s intelligence officers, who had used his cover as security chief for the Libyan state airlines to plant the bomb. He was indicted in 1991; it took 10 years to convict him.

    In 1993, with the inauguration of Mr. Clinton, Mr. Mueller left the Justice Department to become a partner at Hale & Dorr, now WilmerHale, one of the nation’s most elite law firms. And then, in 1995, at 50, he made a move that astonished his peers.

    He telephoned the chief federal prosecutor in Washington, Eric H. Holder Jr., later Mr. Obama’s attorney general. Mr. Mueller had been several rungs above Mr. Holder at the Justice Department barely two years before. Mr. Holder recalled the moment at Mr. Mueller’s F.B.I. retirement ceremony.

    “One day he called me — out of the blue — and asked if I could use a homicide prosecutor in my office,” Mr. Holder said. “Our nation’s capital was a city in great distress — we were called the murder capital of the United States.”

    Mr. Holder told him that “he might be a little overqualified for a job as a line prosecutor. But before he could change his mind, I just said, ‘When can you start?’”

    Over the course of three years, Mr. Mueller successfully prosecuted dozens of killers, helped bring down the homicide rate and showed grace in comforting survivors.

    He also answered his own telephone: “Mueller, homicide.”

    Investigating the President

    When Mr. Mueller’s phone rang again in May 2017, the Justice Department was on the line. He was called upon to serve as special counsel in a case where the chief subject of the investigation was the president of the United States.

    Mr. Trump had just dismissed Mr. Comey, who as F.B.I. director was investigating whether the president’s associates had colluded with Russia in its covert operations to sway the 2016 election.

    To some legal experts, it seemed that the president’s action revealed a corrupt purpose, making the sacking look like the Saturday Night Massacre in broad daylight. Mr. Comey himself told the Senate Intelligence Committee, “I take the president at his word — that I was fired because of the Russia investigation.”

    Mr. Mueller sought to interview the president under oath, to determine why in fact he had fired Mr. Comey. Mr. Trump’s lawyers balked, fearing a perjury trap sprung by the president’s propensity to lie.

    At this crucial juncture, Mr. Mueller hesitated.

    He did not issue a grand-jury subpoena to compel Mr. Trump’s sworn testimony. He settled for written questions, and allowed the White House lawyers to limit them to events before Mr. Trump became president.

    When the responses finally arrived on Nov. 20, 2018, Mr. Trump failed to respond to almost every crucial question, citing a failure of memory. Mr. Mueller once again sought an interview on 10 key areas of his investigation. Mr. Trump’s lawyers refused. And so the investigation never entered the minefield of the president’s mind.

    The final 448-page report went to Mr. Barr, who by then was the attorney general, on March 22, 2019. Mr. Mueller had trusted Mr. Barr, his longtime colleague and a family friend, to deliver its conclusions, unvarnished, to the American people. He would be sorely disappointed.

    The report concluded that Russia had systemically sought to help Mr. Trump win the election, and that the candidate and his campaign had encouraged their clandestine assistance. It laid out 10 cases in which the president and his aides had sought to impede the F.B.I. investigation. Its key passage read: “While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

    But the attorney general, while keeping the text of the report secret, ostensibly to redact sensitive information, announced only that “the Special Counsel’s investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.”

    Mr. Trump proclaimed that he had been “totally exonerated.”

    No outsider could read the report for the next 25 days. What followed was, as Mr. Mueller wrote in an angry private letter to Mr. Barr, “public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation.” In retrospect, it appeared to many that this might have been the attorney general’s intent.

    Mr. Mueller did not speak out. Save for a painfully reticent session of testimony before Congress, where he hewed to the formal language of his report, he kept his silence until July 2020, when Mr. Trump commuted Mr. Stone’s prison sentence for obstructing the Russia inquiry.

    Writing for the editorial page of The Washington Post, Mr. Mueller rebutted the president’s claims that the investigation into the 2016 election was political and illegitimate.

    “We made every decision in Stone’s case, as in all our cases, based solely on the facts and the law and in accordance with the rule of law,” Mr. Mueller wrote. “The women and men who conducted these investigations and prosecutions acted with the highest integrity. Claims to the contrary are false.”

    He noted that the investigation established “that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency,” adding that it also found that the Trump campaign had “expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”

    In a final attack on Mr. Mueller’s legacy, Mr. Trump issued presidential pardons to Mr. Flynn, the former national security adviser, in October 2020, and to Mr. Manafort, his onetime campaign manager, and Mr. Stone in December 2020.

    Both Mr. Flynn and Mr. Stone were key figures in inciting the mob that stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. The assault on Congress, carried out in the president’s name, intended to overturn his defeat in the 2020 election.

    On Aug. 3, 2023, the special counsel Jack Smith indicted Mr. Trump for his role in the insurrection, acting to hold him accountable for his effort to block the peaceful transfer of presidential power and to threaten American democracy.

    In July 2024, the six conservative justices of the Supreme Court ruled that presidents are protected from prosecution for crimes committed in the ambit of their power. In dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor wrote: “The president is now a king above the law.”

    With Mr. Trump’s re-election in 2024, that case was dismissed, and the pursuit of justice Mr. Mueller had undertaken came to a close.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/21/us/politics/robert-s-mueller-dead.html

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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,343

    Wow Robert Mueller was a killer on the wrong side of a us propaganda war and Donald trump is and was a piece of shit. Almost like it’s a requirement to be a piece of shit to inhabit any office of power.
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  • Yeah, I hesitated posting that as I don’t like to glorify that shit. 
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    from wiki....

    Mueller cited the combat death of his Princeton lacrosse teammate David Spencer Hackett in the Vietnam War as an influence on his decision to pursue military service.[16] Of his classmate, Mueller said, "One of the reasons I went into the Marine Corps was because we lost a very good friend, a Marine in Vietnam, who was a year ahead of me at Princeton. There were a number of us who felt we should follow his example and at least go into the service. And it flows from there."[17] Hackett, a Marine Corps first lieutenant in the infantry, was killed in 1967 in Quảng Trị province by small arms fire.[18]

    After waiting a year for a knee injury to heal, Mueller was accepted for officer training in the United States Marine Corps in 1968. He attended training at Parris Island, Officer Candidate School, Army Ranger School, and Army jump school. He later said that he considered Ranger School the most valuable because it "more than anything teaches you about how you react with no sleep and nothing to eat."[19][20]

    In the summer of 1968, Mueller was deployed to South Vietnam, where he served as a rifle platoon leader with Second Platoon, H Company, 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines, 3rd Marine Division.[2][21] On December 11, 1968, during an engagement in Operation Scotland II, he earned the Bronze Star with "V" device for combat valor after rescuing a wounded Marine under enemy fire during an ambush in which half of his platoon become casualties.[22][23] In April 1969, he was wounded in the thigh by enemy gunfire, recovered, and returned to lead his platoon until June 1969.[24]

    For his service in the Vietnam War, Mueller's military decorations and awards included the Bronze Star Medal with "V" device, the Purple Heart, two Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medals with Combat "V", the Combat Action Ribbon, the National Defense Service Medal, the Vietnam Service Medal with four service stars, the Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross, the Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal, and the Parachutist Badge.[2][24][20][25]

    After recuperating at a field hospital near Da Nang, Mueller served as aide-de-camp to the commanding general of the 3rd Marine Division, then–Major General William K. Jones. One report stated that he "significantly contributed to the rapport" Jones maintained with other officers.[19][26] Mueller had originally considered a career in the Marine Corps, but later explained that he found non-combat life in the service unexciting.[20] After returning from South Vietnam, he was briefly stationed at Henderson Hall before leaving active-duty service in August 1970 as a captain.[26]

    Reflecting on his service, Mueller said, "I consider myself exceptionally lucky to have made it out of Vietnam. There were many—many—who did not. And perhaps because I did survive Vietnam, I have always felt compelled to contribute."[27] In 2009, he told a writer that despite his other accomplishments, he remained "most proud the Marine Corps deemed me worthy of leading other Marines."[20] 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 46,765
    I want to speak directly to the Americans reading this. Not the political Americans. Just the human ones...

     Robert Mueller died last night.

    He was 81 years old. He had a wife who loved him for sixty years. He had two daughters, one of whom he met for the first time in Hawaii, in 1969, on a few hours of military leave, before he got back on the plane and returned to Vietnam. 

    He had grandchildren. He had a faith he practiced quietly, without performance. He had, in the way of men who have seen real things and survived them, a quality that is increasingly rare and increasingly mocked in the country he spent his life serving.
    He had integrity.

    And tonight the President of the United States said good!
    I have been sitting with that word for hours now. Good. One syllable. The thing you say when the coffee is hot or the traffic is moving. The thing a man who has never had to bury anyone, never had to sit in the specific silence of a room where someone is newly absent, reaches for when he wants the world to know he is satisfied. Good. The daughters are crying and the wife is alone in the house and good.

    I want to speak directly to the Americans reading this. Not the political Americans. Just the human ones. The ones who have lost a father. The ones who know what it is to be in that first hour, when you keep forgetting and then remembering again, when ordinary objects become unbearable, when the world outside the window seems obscene in its indifference. I want to ask you, simply, to hold that feeling for a moment, and then to understand that the man you elected looked at it and typed a single word.

    Good.

    This is not a country having a bad day. I need you to understand that. Countries have bad days. Elections go wrong. Leaders disappoint. Institutions bend. But there is a different thing, a rarer and more terrible thing, that happens when the moral center of a place simply gives way. Not dramatically. Not with a single catastrophic event. But quietly, in increments, until one evening a president celebrates the death of an old man whose family is still warm with grief, and enough people find it acceptable that it becomes the weather. Just the weather. That is what is happening. That is what has happened.

    The world knows. From Tokyo to Oslo, from London to Buenos Aires, people are not angry at America tonight. Anger would mean there was still something to fight for, some remaining faith to be betrayed. What I see, in the reactions from everywhere that is not here, is something older and sadder than anger. It is the look people get when they have waited a long time for someone they love to find their way back, and have finally understood that they are not coming.

    America is being grieved. Past tense, almost. The idea of it. The thing it represented to people who had nothing else to believe in, who came here with everything they owned in a single bag because they had heard, somehow, across an ocean, that this was the place where decency was written into the walls. That idea is not resting. It is not suspended. It is being buried, in real time, with 7,450 likes before dinner.

    And the church said nothing.

    Seventy million people have decided that this man, this specific man who has cheated everyone he has ever made a promise to, who has mocked the disabled and the dead and the grieving, who celebrated tonight while a family wept, is an instrument of God. The pastors who made that bargain did not just trade away their credibility. They traded away the thing that made them worth listening to in the first place. The cross they carry now is a costume. The faith they preach is a loyalty oath with scripture attached. When the history of American Christianity is written, this will be the chapter they skip at seminary.

    Now I want to talk about the men who stand next to him.  Because this is the part that actually breaks my heart. 

    JD Vance is not a bad man. I have to say that, because it is true, and because the truth matters even now, especially now. Marco Rubio is not a bad man. Lindsey Graham is not a bad man. They are idiots, but not bad, as in BAD! These are men with mothers who raised them and children who love them and friends who remember who they were before all of this. They are not monsters. Monsters are simple. Monsters do not cost you anything emotionally because there is nothing in them to mourn. These men are something more painful than monsters. They are men who knew better, and know better still, and will get up tomorrow and do it again.

    Every small compromise they made had a reason. Every moment they looked the other way had a justification that sounded, at the time, almost reasonable. And now they have arrived here, at a place where a president celebrates the death of an old man and they will find a way, on television, to say nothing that means anything, and they will go home to houses where children who carry their name are waiting, and they will say goodnight, and they will say nothing.

    Their oldest friends are watching. The ones who knew Rubio when he still believed in something. Who knew Graham when he said, out loud, on the record, that this exact man would destroy the Republican Party and deserve it. Who sat next to Vance and thought here is someone worth knowing. Those friends are not angry tonight. They moved through anger a long time ago. What they feel now is the quiet, irrecoverable sadness of watching someone disappear while still being present. Of watching a person they loved choose, again and again, to become less. That is what cowardice costs. Not the coward. The people who loved him.

    And in the comments tonight, the followers celebrate. People who ten years ago brought casseroles to grieving neighbors. Who stood in the rain at gravesides and meant the words they said. Who told their children that we do not speak ill of the dead because the dead were someone's beloved. Those people are tonight typing gleeful things about a man whose daughters are not yet done crying. And they feel clean doing it. Righteous. Because somewhere along the way the thing they were given in exchange for their decency was the feeling of belonging to something, and that feeling is very hard to give up even when you can no longer remember what you gave for it. 

    When Trump is gone, they will still be here. Standing in the silence where the noise used to be. Without the permission the crowd gave them. Without the pastor who told them their cruelty was holy. They will be alone with what they said and what they cheered and what they chose to become, and there will be no one left to tell them it was righteous.  That morning is coming.

    Robert Mueller flew across the Pacific on military leave to hold his newborn daughter for a few hours before returning to the war. He came home. He buried his dead with honor. He served presidents of both parties because he understood that the institution was larger than any one man. He told his grandchildren that a lie is the worst thing a person can do, that a reputation once lost cannot be recovered, and he lived that, every day, in the quiet and unglamorous way of people who actually believe what they say.
    He was the kind of American the world used to point to when it needed to believe the story was true.

    He died last night. His wife is alone in their house in Georgetown. His daughters are learning what the world is without him in it. And somewhere in the particular hush that falls over a family in the first hours of loss, the most powerful man and the biggest loser on earth sent a message to say he was glad. 

    The world that loved what America was supposed to be is grieving tonight. Not for Robert Mueller only. For the country that produced him and then became this. For the distance between what was promised and what was delivered. For the suspicion, growing quieter and more certain with each passing month, that the America people believed in was always partly a story, and the story is over now, and there is nothing yet to replace it.  That is all it needed to be.

    A man died. His family is broken with grief. That is all it needed to be. Instead the President said good.

    And the country that once stood for something looked away 🇺🇸

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 44,290
    mickeyrat said:
    I want to speak directly to the Americans reading this. Not the political Americans. Just the human ones...

     Robert Mueller died last night.

    He was 81 years old. He had a wife who loved him for sixty years. He had two daughters, one of whom he met for the first time in Hawaii, in 1969, on a few hours of military leave, before he got back on the plane and returned to Vietnam. 

    He had grandchildren. He had a faith he practiced quietly, without performance. He had, in the way of men who have seen real things and survived them, a quality that is increasingly rare and increasingly mocked in the country he spent his life serving.
    He had integrity.

    And tonight the President of the United States said good!
    I have been sitting with that word for hours now. Good. One syllable. The thing you say when the coffee is hot or the traffic is moving. The thing a man who has never had to bury anyone, never had to sit in the specific silence of a room where someone is newly absent, reaches for when he wants the world to know he is satisfied. Good. The daughters are crying and the wife is alone in the house and good.

    I want to speak directly to the Americans reading this. Not the political Americans. Just the human ones. The ones who have lost a father. The ones who know what it is to be in that first hour, when you keep forgetting and then remembering again, when ordinary objects become unbearable, when the world outside the window seems obscene in its indifference. I want to ask you, simply, to hold that feeling for a moment, and then to understand that the man you elected looked at it and typed a single word.

    Good.

    This is not a country having a bad day. I need you to understand that. Countries have bad days. Elections go wrong. Leaders disappoint. Institutions bend. But there is a different thing, a rarer and more terrible thing, that happens when the moral center of a place simply gives way. Not dramatically. Not with a single catastrophic event. But quietly, in increments, until one evening a president celebrates the death of an old man whose family is still warm with grief, and enough people find it acceptable that it becomes the weather. Just the weather. That is what is happening. That is what has happened.

    The world knows. From Tokyo to Oslo, from London to Buenos Aires, people are not angry at America tonight. Anger would mean there was still something to fight for, some remaining faith to be betrayed. What I see, in the reactions from everywhere that is not here, is something older and sadder than anger. It is the look people get when they have waited a long time for someone they love to find their way back, and have finally understood that they are not coming.

    America is being grieved. Past tense, almost. The idea of it. The thing it represented to people who had nothing else to believe in, who came here with everything they owned in a single bag because they had heard, somehow, across an ocean, that this was the place where decency was written into the walls. That idea is not resting. It is not suspended. It is being buried, in real time, with 7,450 likes before dinner.

    And the church said nothing.

    Seventy million people have decided that this man, this specific man who has cheated everyone he has ever made a promise to, who has mocked the disabled and the dead and the grieving, who celebrated tonight while a family wept, is an instrument of God. The pastors who made that bargain did not just trade away their credibility. They traded away the thing that made them worth listening to in the first place. The cross they carry now is a costume. The faith they preach is a loyalty oath with scripture attached. When the history of American Christianity is written, this will be the chapter they skip at seminary.

    Now I want to talk about the men who stand next to him.  Because this is the part that actually breaks my heart. 

    JD Vance is not a bad man. I have to say that, because it is true, and because the truth matters even now, especially now. Marco Rubio is not a bad man. Lindsey Graham is not a bad man. They are idiots, but not bad, as in BAD! These are men with mothers who raised them and children who love them and friends who remember who they were before all of this. They are not monsters. Monsters are simple. Monsters do not cost you anything emotionally because there is nothing in them to mourn. These men are something more painful than monsters. They are men who knew better, and know better still, and will get up tomorrow and do it again.

    Every small compromise they made had a reason. Every moment they looked the other way had a justification that sounded, at the time, almost reasonable. And now they have arrived here, at a place where a president celebrates the death of an old man and they will find a way, on television, to say nothing that means anything, and they will go home to houses where children who carry their name are waiting, and they will say goodnight, and they will say nothing.

    Their oldest friends are watching. The ones who knew Rubio when he still believed in something. Who knew Graham when he said, out loud, on the record, that this exact man would destroy the Republican Party and deserve it. Who sat next to Vance and thought here is someone worth knowing. Those friends are not angry tonight. They moved through anger a long time ago. What they feel now is the quiet, irrecoverable sadness of watching someone disappear while still being present. Of watching a person they loved choose, again and again, to become less. That is what cowardice costs. Not the coward. The people who loved him.

    And in the comments tonight, the followers celebrate. People who ten years ago brought casseroles to grieving neighbors. Who stood in the rain at gravesides and meant the words they said. Who told their children that we do not speak ill of the dead because the dead were someone's beloved. Those people are tonight typing gleeful things about a man whose daughters are not yet done crying. And they feel clean doing it. Righteous. Because somewhere along the way the thing they were given in exchange for their decency was the feeling of belonging to something, and that feeling is very hard to give up even when you can no longer remember what you gave for it. 

    When Trump is gone, they will still be here. Standing in the silence where the noise used to be. Without the permission the crowd gave them. Without the pastor who told them their cruelty was holy. They will be alone with what they said and what they cheered and what they chose to become, and there will be no one left to tell them it was righteous.  That morning is coming.

    Robert Mueller flew across the Pacific on military leave to hold his newborn daughter for a few hours before returning to the war. He came home. He buried his dead with honor. He served presidents of both parties because he understood that the institution was larger than any one man. He told his grandchildren that a lie is the worst thing a person can do, that a reputation once lost cannot be recovered, and he lived that, every day, in the quiet and unglamorous way of people who actually believe what they say.
    He was the kind of American the world used to point to when it needed to believe the story was true.

    He died last night. His wife is alone in their house in Georgetown. His daughters are learning what the world is without him in it. And somewhere in the particular hush that falls over a family in the first hours of loss, the most powerful man and the biggest loser on earth sent a message to say he was glad. 

    The world that loved what America was supposed to be is grieving tonight. Not for Robert Mueller only. For the country that produced him and then became this. For the distance between what was promised and what was delivered. For the suspicion, growing quieter and more certain with each passing month, that the America people believed in was always partly a story, and the story is over now, and there is nothing yet to replace it.  That is all it needed to be.

    A man died. His family is broken with grief. That is all it needed to be. Instead the President said good.

    And the country that once stood for something looked away 🇺🇸

    Gandalv / 
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,343
    Mueller was no hero he was a less severe shill of the American empire. Let’s not lionize assholes because trump sucks.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,824
    static111 said:
    Mueller was no hero he was a less severe shill of the American empire. Let’s not lionize assholes because trump sucks.
    I’m not sure what your expectation was, but I guess he didn’t meet it. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 46,765
    Honored the multiple oaths he swore to preserve protect and defend the Constitution.

    Hero? not necessarily.  career as a public servant worthy of respect? yes.
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    Dude went to Vietnam after his friend was killed....he's a fucking great American
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