Canadian Politics Redux

PJ_Soul · January 23

Parksy said:

With regards to the Carney speech.... did I like it? Of course from a personal perspective.

And this may be an unpopular opinion.. but I strategically don't like it in terms of driving Canada forward... UNLESS Carney has magic up his sleeves somewhere.

Without support from other counties, this speech was a political hail mary. Newsome said it best as well with regards to other leaders... basically saying that Carney's speech was correct and courageous.. now where is everyone else?

And that's what I'm here to say. Where is everyone else?

I fucking hate Trump... and a lot of what US has done historically is just dooshy at best. But they are the biggest and best on a world stage with regards to important metrics... economy, tech, and military.

Being nice, defiant, and courageous are all great things to be... but it could also lead to a losing strategy.

A lot of folks especially in Canada are singing Carney's praises for this speech. But this is very much a 'time will tell' scenario... and as much as I hate Trump... I quite literally fear his retribution... with darn good reason.

I've said it before... unless you're much larger than the bully, you require friends. Those people can stand up and give him an ovation for that speech. But policy actions will speak much larger than just standing and clapping.

Well somebody had to get the ball rolling.

Parksy · January 23

PJ_Soul said:

Parksy said:

With regards to the Carney speech.... did I like it? Of course from a personal perspective.

And this may be an unpopular opinion.. but I strategically don't like it in terms of driving Canada forward... UNLESS Carney has magic up his sleeves somewhere.

Without support from other counties, this speech was a political hail mary. Newsome said it best as well with regards to other leaders... basically saying that Carney's speech was correct and courageous.. now where is everyone else?

And that's what I'm here to say. Where is everyone else?

I fucking hate Trump... and a lot of what US has done historically is just dooshy at best. But they are the biggest and best on a world stage with regards to important metrics... economy, tech, and military.

Being nice, defiant, and courageous are all great things to be... but it could also lead to a losing strategy.

A lot of folks especially in Canada are singing Carney's praises for this speech. But this is very much a 'time will tell' scenario... and as much as I hate Trump... I quite literally fear his retribution... with darn good reason.

I've said it before... unless you're much larger than the bully, you require friends. Those people can stand up and give him an ovation for that speech. But policy actions will speak much larger than just standing and clapping.

Well somebody had to get the ball rolling.

1000% ... but now we need to see who is going to pickup that ball and run with it. Carney said it best with regards to 'middle' powers or something to that affect.

To me, Trump has already done and said things that should have generated a unified condemnation and to be frank.. sanctions. Thus far... not much other than luke warm rhetoric has happened. The answer to why that is, is what gives me pause.

Halifax2TheMax · January 23

PJ_Soul said:

Parksy said:

With regards to the Carney speech.... did I like it? Of course from a personal perspective.

And this may be an unpopular opinion.. but I strategically don't like it in terms of driving Canada forward... UNLESS Carney has magic up his sleeves somewhere.

Without support from other counties, this speech was a political hail mary. Newsome said it best as well with regards to other leaders... basically saying that Carney's speech was correct and courageous.. now where is everyone else?

And that's what I'm here to say. Where is everyone else?

I fucking hate Trump... and a lot of what US has done historically is just dooshy at best. But they are the biggest and best on a world stage with regards to important metrics... economy, tech, and military.

Being nice, defiant, and courageous are all great things to be... but it could also lead to a losing strategy.

A lot of folks especially in Canada are singing Carney's praises for this speech. But this is very much a 'time will tell' scenario... and as much as I hate Trump... I quite literally fear his retribution... with darn good reason.

I've said it before... unless you're much larger than the bully, you require friends. Those people can stand up and give him an ovation for that speech. But policy actions will speak much larger than just standing and clapping.

Well somebody had to get the ball rolling.

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

I, for one, am glad they did. Thank you Mark Carney. It couldn’t have come from anywhere else other than maybe the UK, and that might not have gotten the traction because of the history there. I watched Carney’s full speech and the follow up with Newsom and both were spot on and much needed. The utter stupidity of CCOOTWH’s actions towards Canada and UK/EU, Greenland and Denmark are astonishing.

Canada may very well rescue the US but I’m not hopeful. At least you won’t sink with us. CCOOTWH is 79 points underwater when compared to Canada by ‘murikkkans in favorability/unfavorability polling.

Putin on the ritz must have some amazingly disgusting tapes.

Parksy · January 24

so here we go...

As an aside.. I had a chat with a friend yesterday about Carney's speech and I got sort of chewed out about not supporting it. lol The rationale was.... well... we've hopefully learned that we cannot push back on the cry baby and not expect a tantrum.

It's not that I'm unpatriotic... I just want to A: be realistic and B: make sure that while he's here being a doosh; I still have a job and a future.

So here's the tantrum. Another loose threat on our independence again and a very clear threat of 100% tariffs on goods.

It drives me crazy that these games are even being played. However... I can't help but ask the question.... what if the lunatic has a point for his own desires and ambitions and is willing to go through with the threat?

There is nothing that has suggested that he wouldn't go through with it. Dude literally plucked a world leader and his wife and bombed a country for their oil. And he was very public and outright about what he was doing. Blatantly.

Canada and Venezuela are very different. But where is the global pushback on this?

Where is our fucking King?!? Where are the Commonwealth? Where are our allies? The silence is deafening and also very telling.

Let's not forget... after Trump threatened our independence and outright mocked our country and government, the UK rolled out the fucking red carpet for him. WHY... is a very important question.

So if he demands respect (even though he is a doosh) and demands his ass kissed (even though he is a doosh) .... begs the question... why don't we and the rest of the world flat out tell him to go fuck himself?

I come to the unpopular conclusion that he does these things... because he can. He knows that whatever 'blow back' there is won't amount to anything because the US holds so much power. We tell him to stick it, he crushes us economically. Because he can. That's the pickle we are in. That's why I hesitate to celebrate Carney being courageous and fighting back. Fighting back without help is a meaningless cause.

HughFreakingDillon · January 24

you have to remember, that making serious moves or telling one of the biggest powers to go fuck themselves is very dangerous. Carney didn't do that. He said "things are changing, we are looking to expand our friendship network". But if everyone came right out and said "fuck the US" without a plan in place, that would foment global chaos. You also have to remember how many threats this idiot has levied that have turned out to be a bluff, and many times, he's been called on it, and he then turns around and calls it a victory. And his supporters lap it up.

Many of these things, by their very nature, unfortunately, have to be reactionary. But reactionary with a plan.

he's not going to hit us with 100% tariffs on all goods. And if he does, we'll survive (carney mentioned not long ago "sacrifices will have to be made", I think this is at least partially what he meant by that), and the US economy will tank. some of his idiots will put the blame on us, the rest will blame him and the mid terms will be a blue bloodbath. He will start losing support within his own party so hard he won't be able to do anything, even before the mid terms happen, once some of them have seen the writing on the wall. that might not happen, but for him to avoid it, he will have to pull back significantly. I don't think he has the restraint. most narcissists don't.

that's why carney has been making all these deals. he knew eventually trump would foam at the mouth, and so carney's getting our ducks in a row as much as he can in that eventuality.

trump's outbursts are showing how little global power he actually has these days. TARIFF TARIFF TARIFF. He's isolated himself and the country to the point that everyone is laughing at him outright, and deciding to ignore the mean girl prom queen once and for all.

ally12 · January 24

Parksy said:

so here we go...

As an aside.. I had a chat with a friend yesterday about Carney's speech and I got sort of chewed out about not supporting it. lol The rationale was.... well... we've hopefully learned that we cannot push back on the cry baby and not expect a tantrum.

It's not that I'm unpatriotic... I just want to A: be realistic and B: make sure that while he's here being a doosh; I still have a job and a future.

So here's the tantrum. Another loose threat on our independence again and a very clear threat of 100% tariffs on goods.

It drives me crazy that these games are even being played. However... I can't help but ask the question.... what if the lunatic has a point for his own desires and ambitions and is willing to go through with the threat?

There is nothing that has suggested that he wouldn't go through with it. Dude literally plucked a world leader and his wife and bombed a country for their oil. And he was very public and outright about what he was doing. Blatantly.

Canada and Venezuela are very different. But where is the global pushback on this?

Where is our fucking King?!? Where are the Commonwealth? Where are our allies? The silence is deafening and also very telling.

Let's not forget... after Trump threatened our independence and outright mocked our country and government, the UK rolled out the fucking red carpet for him. WHY... is a very important question.

So if he demands respect (even though he is a doosh) and demands his ass kissed (even though he is a doosh) .... begs the question... why don't we and the rest of the world flat out tell him to go fuck himself?

I come to the unpopular conclusion that he does these things... because he can. He knows that whatever 'blow back' there is won't amount to anything because the US holds so much power. We tell him to stick it, he crushes us economically. Because he can. That's the pickle we are in. That's why I hesitate to celebrate Carney being courageous and fighting back. Fighting back without help is a meaningless cause.

A. Please learn the roles and responsibilities of the Commonwealth. King Charles doesn’t just swoop in and tells the PMO what to do. They provide advice to the PMO’s office. They don’t handle the day to day.

B. King Charles and the commonwealth having been subtly displaying solidarity with Canada. Read the Kind’s throne speech and Christmas message.

C. Reasons why Canada and other countries are not telling USA and DJT to get lost in an abrupt manner is because DJT is unpredictable. It will trigger WW3

D. Carney is an economics guy, same as Harper. He is positioning Canada to do global trade with other countries. Canada heard DJT very clear they don’t need anything from us. Ok, Canada will do the same. Harper would be doing the same, he may have not delivered a groundbreaking speech but he would have delivered a very good one with the same message.

E. Canada relied on US for too much and for too long that Canada needs to establish their own trades, use our own minerals, use our own oil etc.

D. Canada and US are going through a separation but not a full on divorce, because Canada sees and understands the turmoil that is happening in the US. Eventually the pendulum will swing again and some balance will be restored. When that happens Canada and US can have intelligent conversations again.

E. What is so scary about China and other countries? Countries can be global partners with each other and the relationship ends there. Countries don’t and won’t share or burden their ideologies on each other. Only person that thinks that is DJT.

F. DJT and the administration went on full meltdown this morning because Canada is moving forward. DJT’s reaction is proving the PM’s speech is accurate.

You don’t need to jump on the liberal bandwagon or agree with all of the PMO’s policies. However, Canada picked a good one to handle this crisis.

Makes you wonder why Harper is very radio silent, because he knows the PMO is making the same moves he would of done.

erebus · January 24

“ You don’t need to jump on the liberal bandwagon or agree with all of the PMO’s policies. However, Canada picked a good one to handle this crisis.”

Agreed. Imagine Poilievre and his slogans dealing with this. We have the right person for the moment. Hopefully we see some results come from his announcements.

ally12 · January 25

erebus said:

“ You don’t need to jump on the liberal bandwagon or agree with all of the PMO’s policies. However, Canada picked a good one to handle this crisis.”

Agreed. Imagine Poilievre and his slogans dealing with this. We have the right person for the moment. Hopefully we see some results come from his announcements.

Lol, did you see CPC’s response? They are laying it on thick in asking if they can play in the sandbox.

I get the CPC’s position that Canadians should be the focus of the PMO.

However, you can’t start fixing things without healthy global trade. PMO can’t do business with US if they wanted to. The trades won’t be fair and right now it’s DJT way or the highway and Canada gets tariffed.

Once global trade is more stabilized than he focuses on what Canada needs to deliver on the trade agreements. PMO will look at our resources, infrastructure, employment needs and start acting.

once that is stabilized and global trade is going well. Yeah no doubt things will improve on the home front.

we are just stuck in the cycle of history repeating it’s self and someone is trying to break it. It just so happens it’s the PMO of Canada.

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