Canadian Politics Redux

PJ_Soul · January 23

Parksy said:

With regards to the Carney speech.... did I like it? Of course from a personal perspective.

And this may be an unpopular opinion.. but I strategically don't like it in terms of driving Canada forward... UNLESS Carney has magic up his sleeves somewhere.

Without support from other counties, this speech was a political hail mary. Newsome said it best as well with regards to other leaders... basically saying that Carney's speech was correct and courageous.. now where is everyone else?

And that's what I'm here to say. Where is everyone else?

I fucking hate Trump... and a lot of what US has done historically is just dooshy at best. But they are the biggest and best on a world stage with regards to important metrics... economy, tech, and military.

Being nice, defiant, and courageous are all great things to be... but it could also lead to a losing strategy.

A lot of folks especially in Canada are singing Carney's praises for this speech. But this is very much a 'time will tell' scenario... and as much as I hate Trump... I quite literally fear his retribution... with darn good reason.

I've said it before... unless you're much larger than the bully, you require friends. Those people can stand up and give him an ovation for that speech. But policy actions will speak much larger than just standing and clapping.

Well somebody had to get the ball rolling.

Parksy · January 23

PJ_Soul said:

Parksy said:

With regards to the Carney speech.... did I like it? Of course from a personal perspective.

And this may be an unpopular opinion.. but I strategically don't like it in terms of driving Canada forward... UNLESS Carney has magic up his sleeves somewhere.

Without support from other counties, this speech was a political hail mary. Newsome said it best as well with regards to other leaders... basically saying that Carney's speech was correct and courageous.. now where is everyone else?

And that's what I'm here to say. Where is everyone else?

I fucking hate Trump... and a lot of what US has done historically is just dooshy at best. But they are the biggest and best on a world stage with regards to important metrics... economy, tech, and military.

Being nice, defiant, and courageous are all great things to be... but it could also lead to a losing strategy.

A lot of folks especially in Canada are singing Carney's praises for this speech. But this is very much a 'time will tell' scenario... and as much as I hate Trump... I quite literally fear his retribution... with darn good reason.

I've said it before... unless you're much larger than the bully, you require friends. Those people can stand up and give him an ovation for that speech. But policy actions will speak much larger than just standing and clapping.

Well somebody had to get the ball rolling.

1000% ... but now we need to see who is going to pickup that ball and run with it. Carney said it best with regards to 'middle' powers or something to that affect.

To me, Trump has already done and said things that should have generated a unified condemnation and to be frank.. sanctions. Thus far... not much other than luke warm rhetoric has happened. The answer to why that is, is what gives me pause.

Halifax2TheMax · January 23

PJ_Soul said:

Parksy said:

With regards to the Carney speech.... did I like it? Of course from a personal perspective.

And this may be an unpopular opinion.. but I strategically don't like it in terms of driving Canada forward... UNLESS Carney has magic up his sleeves somewhere.

Without support from other counties, this speech was a political hail mary. Newsome said it best as well with regards to other leaders... basically saying that Carney's speech was correct and courageous.. now where is everyone else?

And that's what I'm here to say. Where is everyone else?

I fucking hate Trump... and a lot of what US has done historically is just dooshy at best. But they are the biggest and best on a world stage with regards to important metrics... economy, tech, and military.

Being nice, defiant, and courageous are all great things to be... but it could also lead to a losing strategy.

A lot of folks especially in Canada are singing Carney's praises for this speech. But this is very much a 'time will tell' scenario... and as much as I hate Trump... I quite literally fear his retribution... with darn good reason.

I've said it before... unless you're much larger than the bully, you require friends. Those people can stand up and give him an ovation for that speech. But policy actions will speak much larger than just standing and clapping.

Well somebody had to get the ball rolling.

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

I, for one, am glad they did. Thank you Mark Carney. It couldn’t have come from anywhere else other than maybe the UK, and that might not have gotten the traction because of the history there. I watched Carney’s full speech and the follow up with Newsom and both were spot on and much needed. The utter stupidity of CCOOTWH’s actions towards Canada and UK/EU, Greenland and Denmark are astonishing.

Canada may very well rescue the US but I’m not hopeful. At least you won’t sink with us. CCOOTWH is 79 points underwater when compared to Canada by ‘murikkkans in favorability/unfavorability polling.

Putin on the ritz must have some amazingly disgusting tapes.

Parksy · January 24

so here we go...

As an aside.. I had a chat with a friend yesterday about Carney's speech and I got sort of chewed out about not supporting it. lol The rationale was.... well... we've hopefully learned that we cannot push back on the cry baby and not expect a tantrum.

It's not that I'm unpatriotic... I just want to A: be realistic and B: make sure that while he's here being a doosh; I still have a job and a future.

So here's the tantrum. Another loose threat on our independence again and a very clear threat of 100% tariffs on goods.

It drives me crazy that these games are even being played. However... I can't help but ask the question.... what if the lunatic has a point for his own desires and ambitions and is willing to go through with the threat?

There is nothing that has suggested that he wouldn't go through with it. Dude literally plucked a world leader and his wife and bombed a country for their oil. And he was very public and outright about what he was doing. Blatantly.

Canada and Venezuela are very different. But where is the global pushback on this?

Where is our fucking King?!? Where are the Commonwealth? Where are our allies? The silence is deafening and also very telling.

Let's not forget... after Trump threatened our independence and outright mocked our country and government, the UK rolled out the fucking red carpet for him. WHY... is a very important question.

So if he demands respect (even though he is a doosh) and demands his ass kissed (even though he is a doosh) .... begs the question... why don't we and the rest of the world flat out tell him to go fuck himself?

I come to the unpopular conclusion that he does these things... because he can. He knows that whatever 'blow back' there is won't amount to anything because the US holds so much power. We tell him to stick it, he crushes us economically. Because he can. That's the pickle we are in. That's why I hesitate to celebrate Carney being courageous and fighting back. Fighting back without help is a meaningless cause.

HughFreakingDillon · January 24

you have to remember, that making serious moves or telling one of the biggest powers to go fuck themselves is very dangerous. Carney didn't do that. He said "things are changing, we are looking to expand our friendship network". But if everyone came right out and said "fuck the US" without a plan in place, that would foment global chaos. You also have to remember how many threats this idiot has levied that have turned out to be a bluff, and many times, he's been called on it, and he then turns around and calls it a victory. And his supporters lap it up.

Many of these things, by their very nature, unfortunately, have to be reactionary. But reactionary with a plan.

he's not going to hit us with 100% tariffs on all goods. And if he does, we'll survive (carney mentioned not long ago "sacrifices will have to be made", I think this is at least partially what he meant by that), and the US economy will tank. some of his idiots will put the blame on us, the rest will blame him and the mid terms will be a blue bloodbath. He will start losing support within his own party so hard he won't be able to do anything, even before the mid terms happen, once some of them have seen the writing on the wall. that might not happen, but for him to avoid it, he will have to pull back significantly. I don't think he has the restraint. most narcissists don't.

that's why carney has been making all these deals. he knew eventually trump would foam at the mouth, and so carney's getting our ducks in a row as much as he can in that eventuality.

trump's outbursts are showing how little global power he actually has these days. TARIFF TARIFF TARIFF. He's isolated himself and the country to the point that everyone is laughing at him outright, and deciding to ignore the mean girl prom queen once and for all.

ally12 · January 24

Parksy said:

so here we go...

As an aside.. I had a chat with a friend yesterday about Carney's speech and I got sort of chewed out about not supporting it. lol The rationale was.... well... we've hopefully learned that we cannot push back on the cry baby and not expect a tantrum.

It's not that I'm unpatriotic... I just want to A: be realistic and B: make sure that while he's here being a doosh; I still have a job and a future.

So here's the tantrum. Another loose threat on our independence again and a very clear threat of 100% tariffs on goods.

It drives me crazy that these games are even being played. However... I can't help but ask the question.... what if the lunatic has a point for his own desires and ambitions and is willing to go through with the threat?

There is nothing that has suggested that he wouldn't go through with it. Dude literally plucked a world leader and his wife and bombed a country for their oil. And he was very public and outright about what he was doing. Blatantly.

Canada and Venezuela are very different. But where is the global pushback on this?

Where is our fucking King?!? Where are the Commonwealth? Where are our allies? The silence is deafening and also very telling.

Let's not forget... after Trump threatened our independence and outright mocked our country and government, the UK rolled out the fucking red carpet for him. WHY... is a very important question.

So if he demands respect (even though he is a doosh) and demands his ass kissed (even though he is a doosh) .... begs the question... why don't we and the rest of the world flat out tell him to go fuck himself?

I come to the unpopular conclusion that he does these things... because he can. He knows that whatever 'blow back' there is won't amount to anything because the US holds so much power. We tell him to stick it, he crushes us economically. Because he can. That's the pickle we are in. That's why I hesitate to celebrate Carney being courageous and fighting back. Fighting back without help is a meaningless cause.

A. Please learn the roles and responsibilities of the Commonwealth. King Charles doesn’t just swoop in and tells the PMO what to do. They provide advice to the PMO’s office. They don’t handle the day to day.

B. King Charles and the commonwealth having been subtly displaying solidarity with Canada. Read the Kind’s throne speech and Christmas message.

C. Reasons why Canada and other countries are not telling USA and DJT to get lost in an abrupt manner is because DJT is unpredictable. It will trigger WW3

D. Carney is an economics guy, same as Harper. He is positioning Canada to do global trade with other countries. Canada heard DJT very clear they don’t need anything from us. Ok, Canada will do the same. Harper would be doing the same, he may have not delivered a groundbreaking speech but he would have delivered a very good one with the same message.

E. Canada relied on US for too much and for too long that Canada needs to establish their own trades, use our own minerals, use our own oil etc.

D. Canada and US are going through a separation but not a full on divorce, because Canada sees and understands the turmoil that is happening in the US. Eventually the pendulum will swing again and some balance will be restored. When that happens Canada and US can have intelligent conversations again.

E. What is so scary about China and other countries? Countries can be global partners with each other and the relationship ends there. Countries don’t and won’t share or burden their ideologies on each other. Only person that thinks that is DJT.

F. DJT and the administration went on full meltdown this morning because Canada is moving forward. DJT’s reaction is proving the PM’s speech is accurate.

You don’t need to jump on the liberal bandwagon or agree with all of the PMO’s policies. However, Canada picked a good one to handle this crisis.

Makes you wonder why Harper is very radio silent, because he knows the PMO is making the same moves he would of done.

erebus · January 24

“ You don’t need to jump on the liberal bandwagon or agree with all of the PMO’s policies. However, Canada picked a good one to handle this crisis.”

Agreed. Imagine Poilievre and his slogans dealing with this. We have the right person for the moment. Hopefully we see some results come from his announcements.

ally12 · January 25

erebus said:

“ You don’t need to jump on the liberal bandwagon or agree with all of the PMO’s policies. However, Canada picked a good one to handle this crisis.”

Agreed. Imagine Poilievre and his slogans dealing with this. We have the right person for the moment. Hopefully we see some results come from his announcements.

Lol, did you see CPC’s response? They are laying it on thick in asking if they can play in the sandbox.

I get the CPC’s position that Canadians should be the focus of the PMO.

However, you can’t start fixing things without healthy global trade. PMO can’t do business with US if they wanted to. The trades won’t be fair and right now it’s DJT way or the highway and Canada gets tariffed.

Once global trade is more stabilized than he focuses on what Canada needs to deliver on the trade agreements. PMO will look at our resources, infrastructure, employment needs and start acting.

once that is stabilized and global trade is going well. Yeah no doubt things will improve on the home front.

we are just stuck in the cycle of history repeating it’s self and someone is trying to break it. It just so happens it’s the PMO of Canada.

BF89905 · January 26

HughFreakingDillon said:

you have to remember, that making serious moves or telling one of the biggest powers to go fuck themselves is very dangerous. Carney didn't do that. He said "things are changing, we are looking to expand our friendship network". But if everyone came right out and said "fuck the US" without a plan in place, that would foment global chaos. You also have to remember how many threats this idiot has levied that have turned out to be a bluff, and many times, he's been called on it, and he then turns around and calls it a victory. And his supporters lap it up.

Many of these things, by their very nature, unfortunately, have to be reactionary. But reactionary with a plan.

he's not going to hit us with 100% tariffs on all goods. And if he does, we'll survive (carney mentioned not long ago "sacrifices will have to be made", I think this is at least partially what he meant by that), and the US economy will tank. some of his idiots will put the blame on us, the rest will blame him and the mid terms will be a blue bloodbath. He will start losing support within his own party so hard he won't be able to do anything, even before the mid terms happen, once some of them have seen the writing on the wall. that might not happen, but for him to avoid it, he will have to pull back significantly. I don't think he has the restraint. most narcissists don't.

that's why carney has been making all these deals. he knew eventually trump would foam at the mouth, and so carney's getting our ducks in a row as much as he can in that eventuality.

trump's outbursts are showing how little global power he actually has these days. TARIFF TARIFF TARIFF. He's isolated himself and the country to the point that everyone is laughing at him outright, and deciding to ignore the mean girl prom queen once and for all.

Well said

HughFreakingDillon · January 27

From a post on facebook by a person named Jeff Cotter, and he nails it:

What we’re seeing here isn’t a serious attempt to deal with food inflation, it’s a perpetual grievance cycle.

A real problem is identified, rising food prices, and then a simple villain is offered. When that claim collapses under facts, the blame quietly shifts. Not because new evidence emerges, but because the outrage must continue.

Pierre Poilievre claimed that removing the consumer carbon tax would lower food prices. The consumer carbon tax was ended. Food prices continued to rise. That should have settled the argument, but instead the goalposts moved.

Next it became the industrial carbon price, with claims that it applies to farmers. It does not. Farmers are exempt from industrial carbon pricing on fuel used for on-farm activities. This is not a debate or a technicality, it is written directly into the policy.

Then came the claim of “hidden Liberal packaging taxes.” These are not taxes. They are regulations that require producers to cover the recycling costs of the packaging they put into the market. His proposed solution does not eliminate that cost, it shifts it onto consumers. That means households pay more out of pocket while grocery prices remain unaffected.

Now the focus is on clean fuel regulations. What is consistently left out is that the current Clean Fuel Regulations came into force in 2023, long before Mark Carney took office and long before the consumer carbon tax was ended. They also replaced earlier clean fuel standards that originated under the Harper government. This is not a new Liberal policy suddenly driving food prices.

Food inflation did not appear because of regulations that were already on the books in 2023. It surged due to global supply chain disruptions, energy shocks, climate impacts, currency effects, and market concentration among grocery giants, factors the federal government does not control.

To make matters worse, Conservative MPs are now claiming CFRs add 17 cents a litre today. That number comes from a worst-case, high-end estimate by the Parliamentary Budget Officer for around 2030, not 2026. Presenting a future upper-bound scenario as a current cost is not a mistake, it is a deliberate distortion.

At no point does this rhetoric seriously engage with how food prices are actually set. The federal government does not control grocery prices. Corporations do. And if the government actually stepped in to control prices, the same people now complaining would immediately scream communism.

That contradiction is the tell.

If prices fall, it will be credited to the market.

If prices rise, it will be blamed on Liberals.

If relief is provided, it is mocked as insufficient.

If regulation is attempted, it is framed as ideological extremism.

There is no outcome where the grievance resolves, because resolution would end the outrage cycle.

This isn’t about lowering grocery bills. It’s about keeping people permanently angry by constantly rotating the villain, even when the claims rely on misinformation, timeline manipulation, and the misrepresentation of independent officers of Parliament.

HughFreakingDillon · January 30

Alberta Prosperity Group are bunch of treasonous idiots.

https://www.ft.com/content/11dc2140-6a5d-4536-b766-52c920affcc7

ally12 · January 30

Here is pay wall free version

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/livestory/carney-premiers-news-conference-9.7066716

my question always has been, why haven’t these people move down to Montana yet?

Don’t people realize that the administration will treat Canada like Puerto Rico.

HughFreakingDillon · January 30

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cons need a new leader. STAT

HughFreakingDillon · January 30

ally12 said:

Here is pay wall free version

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/livestory/carney-premiers-news-conference-9.7066716

my question always has been, why haven’t these people move down to Montana yet?

Don’t people realize that the administration will treat Canada like Puerto Rico.

weird, it wasn't paywalled for me, and I'm not a subscriber. But thanks for that!

Halifax2TheMax · January 30

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

I hope folks are paying attention, on both sides of the border. And that folks are seeking coverage under the UK and French nuclear umbrella. Clearly, the US cannot be trusted.

Canada separatists accused of ‘treason’ after secret talks with US state department

Alberta activists’ covert meetings with US officials revealed, outlining group’s increasingly emboldened efforts

Covert meetings between separatist activists in the Canadian province of Alberta and members of Donald Trump’s administration amount to “treason”, the premier of British Columbia said on Thursday.

“To go to a foreign country and to ask for assistance in breaking up Canada, there’s an old-fashioned word for that – and that word is treason,” David Eby told reporters.

“It is completely inappropriate to seek to weaken Canada, to go and ask for assistance, to break up this country from a foreign power and – with respect – a president who has not been particularly respectful of Canada’s sovereignty.”

The revelations that far-right activists met US state department officials first emerged in a Financial Times report outlining the efforts a group of increasingly emboldened separatists are taking in their attempt to secede from Canada.

A minority of residents of the oil-rich province have long argued that the province’s woes are due to the structure of payments to the federal government and a perceived inability to get their vast fossil fuel reserves to market.

Organizers of the Alberta independence movement, which still boasts only minority support, are now collecting signatures to trigger a referendum there. The pro-independence campaign has been travelling across the province as organizers try to collect nearly 178,000 signatures over the next few months. The group has publicly said it wants a $500bn credit facility from the US treasury to help fund the creation of a new country if their referendum is successful.

“I think that while we can respect the right of any Canadian to express themselves to vote in a referendum, I think we need to draw the line at people seeking the assistance of foreign countries to break up this beautiful land of ours,” Eby told reporters, adding he would raise this at a meeting of provincial leaders later in the day.

Alberta’s premier, Danielle Smith, who has rejected the idea of separation and said she “supports a strong and sovereign Alberta within a united Canada”, is facing mounting criticism that her government recently made it easier for residents to petition for a referendum.

The Ontario premier, Doug Ford, said Smith needed “to stand up [to the separatists] and say enough is enough”.

Last week, the US treasury secretary, Scott Bessent, appeared to support the efforts by the separatists in an interview with the conservative website Real America’s Voice.

“They have great resources. Albertans are a very independent people,” he said. “Rumour [is] that they may have a referendum on whether they want to stay in Canada or not … People are talking. People want sovereignty. They want what the US has got.”

Prominent Indigenous leaders in the province were due to speak on the issue on Thursday, warning earlier in the week that Elections Alberta was “ill-equipped” to deal with the potential of foreign interference in the referendum. They have warned no secession is possible without consultation with treaty holders, whose agreement predates the creation of Alberta as a province within Canada.

Increasingly, analysts worry that outside influence from the US could give separatists outsized influence.

Conflict researcher Thomas Homer-Dixon previously told the Guardian a “fifth column” approach by separatists – working with outside forces to destabilize Canada – is a growing and increasingly realistic fear. He warned a looming separation referendum could fail but Trump could argue the results were “fake” and the US would move troops to the northern Montana border and tell the rest of Canada that Alberta must be allowed to join the US as the “51st state”.

“We need to be planning right now to neutralize this kind of activity, well in advance. Because it seems increasingly like disinformation campaigns, appeals for help, declarations that the electoral process was fake and was stacked are something we need to game out,” said Homer-Dixon. “The reality is, right now, we’re just sleepwalking into it.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/29/david-eby-alberta-separatism-treason

ally12 · January 30

HughFreakingDillon said:

cons need a new leader. STAT

I agree, I like how Canada is presenting themselves on the world stage. I don’t think PP could covey the message in this sane manner as Carney.

I am hesitant on how Carney is going to apply and use all the new partnerships and make sure Canadians see the benefits.

For example, the GM plant cutting the overnight shift. Carney and South Korea signed a partnership to bring some auto manufacturing into Canada.

Is Carney going to work with the unions to make sure that the laid off workers can transfer their skills over to the new plant

HughFreakingDillon · February 1

so, you had to pay $1000 to attend the vote. Apparently had to sign an oath to PP. And people claim that Trudeau was like Trump? hahahahaha. From a post on facebook, which several people verified:

It is hard to find information, particularly related to the Conservative Party since it is all scattered. When Mark Carney was elected as leader of the Liberal Party, he had 151,899 (92.7%) of 163,836 casted votes. Pierre Poilievre was just elected as leader of the Conservative Party with ~2,175 votes of ~2,500 members that went to the convention. But this is not the whole story. It seems that there are ~675,000 members in the Conservative Party. As I understand it, all members have the right to vote for the leader of the party. At the Conservative’s convention, there were approximately 2,500 members, which is equivalent to 0.38% of the total members. Additionally, the convention was organized in a strong conservative city, which obviously was meant to skew the results. The news said that Pierre Poilievre won with staggering 87% of the votes and the party spokesperson said that the voter turnout was about 95%. This percentage must refer to the people that were invited or agreed to go. All the information about the voting is completely skewed and far from being democratic because, of the 675,000, only 2,500 went to the event to vote. This means that only 2,175 voted in favour of PP, which is 0.32% votes of the members of the Party. PP’s votes are equivalent to 1.43% of the votes that Carney received assuming Carney’s votes as 100% to calculate PPs.

Just wondering if I am missing something or perhaps misunderstood the process.

erebus · February 1

He was always going to win, the party just stacked the vote to make him look better. You had to be there in person to vote. A lot of Ontario, Quebec and Maritimes conservatives were not there. No electronic voting.
Again, he was always going to win.

now in my conspiracy little mind, I think now that he has won, at some crucial future point you will see a couple of more floor crossers to give the liberals a narrow majority and scuttle PP who is now locked in as leader. Wishful thinking anyway, time will tell.
Carney would need a major misstep (which isn’t inconceivable) but I personally don’t see him losing to PP. Carney is the acceptable Conservative that I was leaning towards.

ally12 · February 3

I just figured that he won because there isn’t anyone in the party that is ready to lead.

IMO, PP is just a stand in until someone comes along that has PM qualities. Him kissing DJT ring and other pro USA behaviours is what got him to trouble.

Did anyone else see clips of Harper and Chrétien at geographical society awards. They talk about all of the issues. Alberta, DJT, USA. I’m trying to see if I can watch the whole thing.

Harper didn’t sign the petition to separate Alberta from Canada and he agrees that moving away from USA is a smart move.

do you think there is friction between Harper and PP?

HughFreakingDillon · February 10

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fuckin gross

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