Immigration

Bentleyspop said:

josevolution said:

No one here ever said open borders are good the only thing I’ve always said is we need immigration reforms but since this administration can barely run the government I’d say that’ll it never happen! 

A. No one has ever called for "open borders."
B. There haven't been "open borders" in decades. 
C. The only people who ever mention "open borders" are...wait for it...retRUmplican politicians and the brainwashed maga cultists. 

Go Beavers said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

josevolution said:

No one here ever said open borders are good the only thing I’ve always said is we need immigration reforms but since this administration can barely run the government I’d say that’ll it never happen! 

A. No one has ever called for "open borders."
B. There haven't been "open borders" in decades. 
C. The only people who ever mention "open borders" are...wait for it...retRUmplican politicians and the brainwashed maga cultists. 

Didn't Bernie just say that without using that very word?

Is your question suggesting no one on  the left can question Sanders? 

Tim Simmons said:

Something I haven't seen is there data available that demonstrates that the country was getting worse because of illegal immigration and refugees? 

And I'm not being argumentative here. I'm genuinely asking if there were studies that showed things were worse for Americans because of looser border standards. 




My suspicion is that it was more vibes based because of right wing media driving messaging riding the coattails of a general relaxed border policy, but I'd love to see data to the contrary.

shadowcast said:

Tim Simmons said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Tim Simmons said:

Something I haven't seen is there data available that demonstrates that the country was getting worse because of illegal immigration and refugees? 

And I'm not being argumentative here. I'm genuinely asking if there were studies that showed things were worse for Americans because of looser border standards. 




My suspicion is that it was more vibes based because of right wing media driving messaging riding the coattails of a general relaxed border policy, but I'd love to see data to the contrary.

Factors that aren't put in are the growth in school class sizes, extra resources to teach those kids or lack of resources, lack of taxes being paid by their families, loss of income spent in US for sending money back home, cost of housing/feeding, loss of medical bills not being paid.

While there are no doubt costs incurred. A 2023 CATO study concluded that while there are more costs incurred for younger immigrants at a state level (education specifically), federally and over the longer term, there is a net benefit from immigrants to the the economy of the US.

Historically, the fiscal impact of different population subgroups differs by characteristics other than nativity, namely age and education. Demographic groups whose population is concentrated in younger ages are a larger burden on state/​local government finances, mostly because of K–12 education spending. Populations with a larger elderly population are a comparatively larger burden on federal finances because of old-age health care and retirement benefits. Education is highly correlated with taxable income and lower welfare program usage. The patterns from different cost scenarios that treat public goods differently are similar under both the Cato Model and the Updated Model, with the most positive ratios for immigrant groups appearing under marginal cost scenarios and the lowest ratios under average cost scenarios.

Our net fiscal impact projections are different under the Cato Model compared with the Updated Model due to the inclusion of capital income, as recommended by Michael Clemens. Under the Updated Model, the total and federal net fiscal impact of immigrants is generally higher relative to natives for the young and less educated and lower relative to natives for the elderly and more highly educated. The state/​local net fiscal impacts are generally lower for immigrants of all education and age groups due to the different tax and spending structures on that level of government. State/​local governments bear most education costs and typically do not recoup those costs later in a person’s life through higher tax revenue, but the federal government does. The younger age distribution of immigrants and higher number of children per immigrant household help to explain that fiscal cost discrepancy. Federal benefits favor the elderly, so immigrants who are primarily working age receive fewer of those benefits. Immigrants are also less eligible than natives are for several federal means-tested welfare programs.