Canadian Politics Redux

DarthMaeglin said:

Hugh, clearly illustrate the CPC’s “anti-immigration” policies, as opposed to arguing for reasonable immigration levels and a fairly administered admission system that ultimately benefits the nation?

Instead of dragging the other thread off-topic to correct your disinformation.

Or will you tell me to do your homework again and then dismiss the screengrabs of the CPC’s policy declaration?

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Hugh, clearly illustrate the CPC’s “anti-immigration” policies, as opposed to arguing for reasonable immigration levels and a fairly administered admission system that ultimately benefits the nation?

Instead of dragging the other thread off-topic to correct your disinformation.

Or will you tell me to do your homework again and then dismiss the screengrabs of the CPC’s policy declaration?

you're the one that derailed it with your constant whining about being a victim.

"no one listens/responds to me". WAH
"people call me MAGA". WAH

I'm not going to tell you to do anything. You'll just keep whining or change the subject back to blackface of some other strawman. 

It's well known that PP tried to insert trumpism during his campaign to draw votes. It failed. Unfortunately, it may not have had Trump not inserted himself into the fray and turned off Canadian voters. I "clearly illustrated" it with facts and opinion months ago. I'm not doing this merry go round with you over and over until you're satisfied. I don't care. 

So yet again, you avoid answering the question posed like a child and cry victim yourself.

it's a bit strange you think I painted myself as a victim. Nowhere in my comments do I see that.
I didn't avoid any question. I said I'd answered all of these old questions ad nauseum. The evidence was clear. It was posted. Next. 

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

To me the monarchy represents order through oppression and subjugation. Not to mention attempted genocide and invading and taking over nearly every country they wanted. 

They represent everything I came to loathe about how parents expected their children to behave, and generally how society was expected to act. 

You can teach a kid good manners without beating it into them. Same goes for the rest of society. 

Respect those that rose to financial prominence off the backs of others? Considering people are superior because of their bloodline? I suppose is a hallmark of conservatism. BLECH

You’d likely find many monarchists who aren’t a part of your most hated group (Conservatives). And as many Conservatives who don’t support the monarchy. Seriously, give the stereotyping a break, it rarely adds to the discussion. BLECH?

 I didn’t know the monarch went around beating manners into people, not sure where that came from.

 The revisionist history (we didn’t even have the word genocide until the 20th century, after the vast majority of colonialism had concluded) is more harmful than helpful since it doesn’t allow for any nuance or acceptance that it was a different world then, and often uses selective readings of the facts (look at the recent treatment of Henry Dundas).

Fuck, last time I acknowledge the government doing something I agree with, lol.

Absolutely. Sarcasm. Anecdotally, I am close friends with a gay couple whose lives seem to revolve around the royals. Big liberals. Have a picture of themselves with JT in their backyard in their living room. I know, you just threw up in your mouth s little, didn’t you lol. 

I don’t hate conservatives. That’s absurd. I know and love many conservatives. I have a Maple MAGA uncle. I have cousins that are proudly “fuck Trudeau-ers”. So does my wife. They are (mostly) lovely people. I also have liberal family I can’t stand lol. 

Edit to add: I simply don’t relate to the conservative view. I mean, our entire existence is based on progress, not stagnation. And my comment about “hallmark of conservativism” was meant in the vein that conservatives prefer tradition, keeping things the same. 

I just can’t understand reverence for a group that puts itself above others. I don’t care if we didn’t have the language for what they did back then. Same reason the catholic church is evil. No amount of progressive popes can erase their abhorrent past. 

That excuse of “don’t judge past actions by today’s standards” reads like my father’s view on Canada’s treatment of Indigenous. 

Diana was a bright spot in the royal family, and wanted to use her influence for good. Liz hated her for that. And it cost her her life. That’s all I need to know. Tradition trumps good. 

I consider the Royals kinda like The Empire in Star Wars. I’m no jedi, but I certainly ain’t no storm trooper. 

For me the worst thing the Canadian federal conservative party did was drop the word “progressive” because that word has basically been weaponized against them, implying that the party is somehow regressive. If I’m forced to identify myself politically I still call myself a progressive conservative.

Maybe conservatism has more to do with being cautious, not regressive?

Again, respect, not reverence. But this is the crowd that liked Trudeau sticking his tongue out at the photographer when he was retrieving his chair from the House of Commons, fuck what the room represents.

I can’t tell if you believe in one of the theories that Diana was murdered or what, or if you blame the Royals. Maybe you can clarify what exactly you meant.

 I hate this saying but “sorry, not sorry” I will never agree with revisionist history. The only fucking thing that needs pursuing in regards to history is accuracy and perhaps acknowledgement of the progress that has been made. Too bad we won’t be around to see how harshly history judges us.

 The DISinformation that accompanies this revisionist history is the worst part of it. Anecdotally I was watching a show on our provincial tv channel called Truth & Lies, and it claimed to provide a more accurate account of our history. Then, during the segment about residential schools (which gave the strong impression that every single child was abused, full stop) as proof of the atrocities they talked about the recent discovery of “mass graves”, which we know isn’t true, and that many of those first 215 will likely turn out to be not human remains. If the excavation ever starts.

Again, for false reading of the record I point to Henry Dundas and Sankofa Square. They took his name off the square after he was grossly misrepresented. Then the name Sankofa was chosen (with no real public input), a word that has a nice meaning but comes from an African country that was known for selling other tribes into slavery. Ooops?

 I very strongly feel I don’t have the moral right to judge people from history the same way I won’t judge the panhandler on the street. They were people of the time they lived in and that I will never (mostly thankfully) experience. Maybe that’s a perspective that hasn’t really been considered?

Alternatively, humans may find in the future that conformity does ensure the survival of the species and therefore the individualism that we hold so precious will be seen as evil. What then? Join the (from a certain point of view) Rebel Alliance I suppose, lol.

gimmesometruth27 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

funny to me how some canadians mock other canadians for "elbows up" and yet we're hitting the US right where it hurts due to that fascist pumpkin: car travel is down a whopping 39% in July from the previous year. Air travel down 26%. 7th consecutive month of declines in air travel. 

I ain't going. Neither are most of my friends. I'm actually partially thankful to the orange turd for a renewed sense of appreciation for our own country. 

i am glad he could at least give you that. 

i would not come here either. unfortunately i am stuck here.

you all make it too hard to get in there so i can't go there.