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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,743
    Fine. “American Conservatives, MAGA, the fucking assholes who get off on being dicks”. JFC. Sorry I wasn’t hyper specific. 


  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,743
    edited August 8
    But also if it’s not you, why not just walk on by? 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,596
    edited August 8
    DarthMaeglin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    It should be clear by now. Conservative and bigots plan is 1% protecting girls/women*, 99% ostracizing, marginalizing, othering and hopefully eliminating Trans people. 



    *which will go to 0% once this plan is accomplished 
    It’s always fun popping in here to see what I’m supposed to believe as a Conservative and contrast it with my actual beliefs.
    There’s a difference between Canadian conservative ideology and views and US conservative ideology and views, in case you haven’t noticed.
    You’re one of the only people that has ever made that distinction, in fact most Canadians (especially in this forum) blindly conflate the two.
    Bollocks. Many of us have made that distinction several times. It’s common knowledge that US dems fall closer on the political spectrum to Canadian conservatives and our libs are much farther left. I’ve stated that several times myself, nevermind others. 
    And I call bullshit on you. You have made numerous generalizations about Conservatives over the years (often doubling down when called on it) and asserted strongly (but never clearly proving) that Canadian Conservatives are all MAGA.
    I have never once stated all conservatives are maga. stop lying. I said that PP was trying to use the maga playbook, and he failed. I have stated numerous times that I have conservative family and friends, and never once (except my crazy uncle in SK) have I stated they are maga. Quite the contrary: they all think maga is a cult, just like I do. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,596
    and if you honestly believe when I make a comment and say "conservatives" you think I'm talking about all conservatives, like literally millions of canadians, instead of generally talking about the party, I can't be responsible for your lack of comprehension. 

    I'm not one of those idiots that say a word like "libtard" or "the left" meaning every single liberal on the planet. 
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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,025
    Tim Simmons said:
    But also if it’s not you, why not just walk on by? 
    As you wrote it you included me, but that means I’m stupid, I get it.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,743
    edited August 8
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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,025
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    It should be clear by now. Conservative and bigots plan is 1% protecting girls/women*, 99% ostracizing, marginalizing, othering and hopefully eliminating Trans people. 



    *which will go to 0% once this plan is accomplished 
    It’s always fun popping in here to see what I’m supposed to believe as a Conservative and contrast it with my actual beliefs.
    There’s a difference between Canadian conservative ideology and views and US conservative ideology and views, in case you haven’t noticed.
    You’re one of the only people that has ever made that distinction, in fact most Canadians (especially in this forum) blindly conflate the two.
    Bollocks. Many of us have made that distinction several times. It’s common knowledge that US dems fall closer on the political spectrum to Canadian conservatives and our libs are much farther left. I’ve stated that several times myself, nevermind others. 
    And I call bullshit on you. You have made numerous generalizations about Conservatives over the years (often doubling down when called on it) and asserted strongly (but never clearly proving) that Canadian Conservatives are all MAGA.
    I have never once stated all conservatives are maga. stop lying. I said that PP was trying to use the maga playbook, and he failed. I have stated numerous times that I have conservative family and friends, and never once (except my crazy uncle in SK) have I stated they are maga. Quite the contrary: they all think maga is a cult, just like I do. 
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    and if you honestly believe when I make a comment and say "conservatives" you think I'm talking about all conservatives, like literally millions of canadians, instead of generally talking about the party, I can't be responsible for your lack of comprehension. 

    I'm not one of those idiots that say a word like "libtard" or "the left" meaning every single liberal on the planet. 
    I strongly suggest you go back and review your posts over the years.

    Remember the time you said I cheered on a guy throwing a brick at Trudeau’s head? And when I pointed out how wrong you were on both counts you doubled down?

     I’m really going to work hard to never respond to you again, it’s too bad on some levels I don’t believe in silencing people or perspectives through the ignore feature.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,743
    No one is calling you stupid, chill out. If my criticism didn't check boxes for you then clearly I’m not lumping you in there. I guess I just don’t get leaping to the defense of capital C Conservatism, when a solid portion of that body has rancid beliefs that you didn’t believe in. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,743
    But lesson learned, I’ll be hyper specific from now on. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,436
    Tim Simmons said:
    No one is calling you stupid, chill out. If my criticism didn't check boxes for you then clearly I’m not lumping you in there. I guess I just don’t get leaping to the defense of capital C Conservatism, when a solid portion of that body has rancid beliefs that you didn’t believe in. 
    But there in lies the problem and issue. “Normal” conservatives, if they exist, need to shout down, drown out, reject and kick out those views and voices the US, Canada, EU and Asian countries fought two world wars to defeat. Dems seem to be the only ones responsible for stopping it and it ain’t going to happen. Ignore it here, let it fester, and Canada will be like the US in 5-10 years with what you’re seeing now in the US. And if those “normal” conservatives are not rejecting what they’re seeing, then I suppose they’re on board, for whatever reason, just not vocal about it, again for whatever the reason. Just like the Nazi party from 1923 -1939.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,596
    edited August 9
    DarthMaeglin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    It should be clear by now. Conservative and bigots plan is 1% protecting girls/women*, 99% ostracizing, marginalizing, othering and hopefully eliminating Trans people. 



    *which will go to 0% once this plan is accomplished 
    It’s always fun popping in here to see what I’m supposed to believe as a Conservative and contrast it with my actual beliefs.
    There’s a difference between Canadian conservative ideology and views and US conservative ideology and views, in case you haven’t noticed.
    You’re one of the only people that has ever made that distinction, in fact most Canadians (especially in this forum) blindly conflate the two.
    Bollocks. Many of us have made that distinction several times. It’s common knowledge that US dems fall closer on the political spectrum to Canadian conservatives and our libs are much farther left. I’ve stated that several times myself, nevermind others. 
    And I call bullshit on you. You have made numerous generalizations about Conservatives over the years (often doubling down when called on it) and asserted strongly (but never clearly proving) that Canadian Conservatives are all MAGA.
    I have never once stated all conservatives are maga. stop lying. I said that PP was trying to use the maga playbook, and he failed. I have stated numerous times that I have conservative family and friends, and never once (except my crazy uncle in SK) have I stated they are maga. Quite the contrary: they all think maga is a cult, just like I do. 
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    and if you honestly believe when I make a comment and say "conservatives" you think I'm talking about all conservatives, like literally millions of canadians, instead of generally talking about the party, I can't be responsible for your lack of comprehension. 

    I'm not one of those idiots that say a word like "libtard" or "the left" meaning every single liberal on the planet. 
    I strongly suggest you go back and review your posts over the years.

    Remember the time you said I cheered on a guy throwing a brick at Trudeau’s head? And when I pointed out how wrong you were on both counts you doubled down?

     I’m really going to work hard to never respond to you again, it’s too bad on some levels I don’t believe in silencing people or perspectives through the ignore feature.
    nah. I know my position. If you misunderstood it, that's your problem, and I really couldn't care less. Ignore away. No one cares. I've ignored you in the past, and others. I wasn't so fragile that I needed to announce it though. haha
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,596
    Tim Simmons said:
    But also if it’s not you, why not just walk on by? 
    cuz some people just always have to be the fucking victim. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,596
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    No one is calling you stupid, chill out. If my criticism didn't check boxes for you then clearly I’m not lumping you in there. I guess I just don’t get leaping to the defense of capital C Conservatism, when a solid portion of that body has rancid beliefs that you didn’t believe in. 
    But there in lies the problem and issue. “Normal” conservatives, if they exist, need to shout down, drown out, reject and kick out those views and voices the US, Canada, EU and Asian countries fought two world wars to defeat. Dems seem to be the only ones responsible for stopping it and it ain’t going to happen. Ignore it here, let it fester, and Canada will be like the US in 5-10 years with what you’re seeing now in the US. And if those “normal” conservatives are not rejecting what they’re seeing, then I suppose they’re on board, for whatever reason, just not vocal about it, again for whatever the reason. Just like the Nazi party from 1923 -1939.
    Canada has already rejected trumpism, twice (that douchebag from Shark Tank and then PP and his Canada First bullshit). I am confident now it won't happen. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,436
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    No one is calling you stupid, chill out. If my criticism didn't check boxes for you then clearly I’m not lumping you in there. I guess I just don’t get leaping to the defense of capital C Conservatism, when a solid portion of that body has rancid beliefs that you didn’t believe in. 
    But there in lies the problem and issue. “Normal” conservatives, if they exist, need to shout down, drown out, reject and kick out those views and voices the US, Canada, EU and Asian countries fought two world wars to defeat. Dems seem to be the only ones responsible for stopping it and it ain’t going to happen. Ignore it here, let it fester, and Canada will be like the US in 5-10 years with what you’re seeing now in the US. And if those “normal” conservatives are not rejecting what they’re seeing, then I suppose they’re on board, for whatever reason, just not vocal about it, again for whatever the reason. Just like the Nazi party from 1923 -1939.
    Canada has already rejected trumpism, twice (that douchebag from Shark Tank and then PP and his Canada First bullshit). I am confident now it won't happen. 
    I wish I shared your sentiment as that shit is insidious and “never again” seems to only apply to certain “chosen” folks. That said, Canada has greater odds of avoiding COOTWHism than the US has of avoiding a continued march toward fascism. Basically, because a vast majority of your populace has a moral compass. The US, not so much as evidenced by who was elected POTUS and sex toys being thrown onto the court during WNBA games. Nevermind the gun violence, rejection of DEI initiatives, healthcare system, or lack thereof, treatment of immigrants, homeless, mentally ill, LGBTQ+ community, etc., etc., etc. All by a majority of self-proclaimed Christians. What a culture! IMHO.

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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,025
    edited August 9
    DarthMaeglin said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    It should be clear by now. Conservative and bigots plan is 1% protecting girls/women*, 99% ostracizing, marginalizing, othering and hopefully eliminating Trans people. 



    *which will go to 0% once this plan is accomplished 
    It’s always fun popping in here to see what I’m supposed to believe as a Conservative and contrast it with my actual beliefs.
    There’s a difference between Canadian conservative ideology and views and US conservative ideology and views, in case you haven’t noticed.
    The post to which I replied didn’t make any distinction, making Conservatives and bigots walk hand-in-hand.

    Just as there’s a spectrum of “progressive” values, it’s no different on the other side.
    However, the response was to my post of COOTWH’s actions, the climate of fear that US conservatives have fostered against the trans community in the US and a family from Maine deciding to leave the US. Context matters. They’re capable of defending their post so I’ll stop here.

    So, as a Canadian conservative, what are your thoughts on the trans community and the subject of the title? Canada has had gay marriage since the 80’s, I believe, being the first to recognize it at a federal level and codify it as a basic right, correct? What is the Canadian conservative view of the trans community? I think it’s, meh , whatever and no big deal (not being dismissive, just doesn’t get folks so riled up) but I may be wrong. It may be different as well between provinces, Alberta/BC, but again, I’m not sure.

    20-25% of religious Americans are evangelical and they are for sure, if conservative, against anything trans. Add in the conservative Catholics, Anglicans, Muslim and Jewish faiths and you can understand why trans folks in the US are fearful. I don’t get the same sense of Canada in that way.
    Put simply I personally have no issues with trans people outside of the matter of sports. However even some family members are more in line with Tim’s blanket statement. So it’s a spectrum.

    Here in Canada it’s the so-called “progressive” parties that don’t allow for freedom of thought and belief (try taking an anti-trans position in the Liberals or NDP. Dear Justin’s first act as party leader was to kick out anyone that disputed his chosen position on abortion, for example.) unfortunately.
    It’s also fun to be asked to provide my views on the thread topic and then that post gets ignored. I get it, nuanced views are no longer welcome on AMT.

    Edit: God forbid we find agreement seems to be the prevailing mindset here. Newsflash: the universe is far more fascinating when you take your blinders off.
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,743
    So if you are fine with Trans people, what’s the issue? 
  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,025
    Tim Simmons said:
    So if you are fine with Trans people, what’s the issue? 
    Broad generalizations.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
  • Tim Simmons
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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,025
    Tim Simmons said:

    I also don’t stand for it when my aunt claims that trans people need to be banned from women’s change rooms because they’re really just perverts putting on a dress so they can ogle women. Or do I let that broad (and demonstrably false) generalization stand as well?
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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,025
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    No one is calling you stupid, chill out. If my criticism didn't check boxes for you then clearly I’m not lumping you in there. I guess I just don’t get leaping to the defense of capital C Conservatism, when a solid portion of that body has rancid beliefs that you didn’t believe in. 
    But there in lies the problem and issue. “Normal” conservatives, if they exist, need to shout down, drown out, reject and kick out those views and voices the US, Canada, EU and Asian countries fought two world wars to defeat. Dems seem to be the only ones responsible for stopping it and it ain’t going to happen. Ignore it here, let it fester, and Canada will be like the US in 5-10 years with what you’re seeing now in the US. And if those “normal” conservatives are not rejecting what they’re seeing, then I suppose they’re on board, for whatever reason, just not vocal about it, again for whatever the reason. Just like the Nazi party from 1923 -1939.
    Canada has already rejected trumpism, twice (that douchebag from Shark Tank and then PP and his Canada First bullshit). I am confident now it won't happen. 
    I’m breaking my own word to point out that you claimed you don’t say Canadian Conservatives are MAGA, then claim we rejected trumpism by voting in successive Liberal governments. You’re giving me whiplash.

    Canada Strong? Elbows Up? Sounds an awful lot like Canada First.

    Draw me a clear, straight line between Canadian Conservatives and trumpism, please, but bear in mind the Canadian Liberals tendency to employ the same tactics, as well as the clear similarities of personality and behaviours between Trump and Trudeau II. Remember when we all had to learn a lesson when Justin got found out as a groper at the height of #metoo? How the woman “experienced the interaction differently “?
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