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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 14,096
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Stop me. Ask me questions. Search my bags. I have nothing to hide. Stop a thousand and catch one bad actor. I am fine with that. 
    At the border?  Yes.  

    But if you are walking down the street, you are okay being stopped and asked questions?


    Yes. I have nothing to hide. Even if it results in a detainment or jail, it will work out. I might even get paid for my inconvenience. 
    WTF. Just hand over your liberty.   Hello police state.  You have put a ridiculous amount of trust in your government that does not care one bit bit about you.  

    I don't understand how you think everything will work out.  How much is the legal bill you'll need to pay to get someone to listen?  What if you have $100 in the bank?  Someone's going to listen?   If the media doesn't care and publicize it, sorry, you are toast.  Say you get deported accidentally.  You think you are coming back to the states without money or the media standing up for you?  

    You are making scary comments for those that prefer freedom and liberty.  And sounds like you've lived a nice sheltered life thus far.  
    Sorry but I lived in Manhattan on 9/11. I watched the second plane hit live from my roof deck. I really do not give two hoots if you have an immigration issue. You either have the docs or you don't. It is not complicated. I am in favor of enhanced border control. No matter who is President. 
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,388
    Get_Right said:
    tbergs said:
    Get_Right said:
    Stop me. Ask me questions. Search my bags. I have nothing to hide. Stop a thousand and catch one bad actor. I am fine with that. 
    Edit: You get detained when you do not cooperate. Police procedures do not avail you of constitutional rights. Failure to provide ID can get you put in Jail. Speak out or resist and that gets you in Jail. And yes, being loud and disorderly can get you in Jail. The courts will figure it out later. Get real.
    Wow. You really are living in the wrong era and country. You also are willing to throw away 4th amendment rights as well. Cool.

    If you are not doing anything wrong, it will work itself out. I have no fear of being caught in a web. 
    You are the first person I have ever heard say they're ok with blatant and open civil liberties violations in the name of what? Safety? Pfft, yeah right. I don't think you even understand what you're implying. Even if, and that's an impossible if, every LE type person working in the field today was trustworthy, honest and unbiased, I still wouldn't ever opt for that in any situation. That's inviting corruption, shakedowns and bribes galore, which is speculatively what is currently happening at the admin level of our government. Insane.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,249
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Stop me. Ask me questions. Search my bags. I have nothing to hide. Stop a thousand and catch one bad actor. I am fine with that. 
    At the border?  Yes.  

    But if you are walking down the street, you are okay being stopped and asked questions?


    Yes. I have nothing to hide. Even if it results in a detainment or jail, it will work out. I might even get paid for my inconvenience. 
    WTF. Just hand over your liberty.   Hello police state.  You have put a ridiculous amount of trust in your government that does not care one bit bit about you.  

    I don't understand how you think everything will work out.  How much is the legal bill you'll need to pay to get someone to listen?  What if you have $100 in the bank?  Someone's going to listen?   If the media doesn't care and publicize it, sorry, you are toast.  Say you get deported accidentally.  You think you are coming back to the states without money or the media standing up for you?  

    You are making scary comments for those that prefer freedom and liberty.  And sounds like you've lived a nice sheltered life thus far.  
    Sorry but I lived in Manhattan on 9/11. I watched the second plane hit live from my roof deck. I really do not give two hoots if you have an immigration issue. You either have the docs or you don't. It is not complicated. I am in favor of enhanced border control. No matter who is President. 
    Ah, 9/11 happened. The hijackers came here legally.   If they overstayed their welcome then the police should arrest them.  Not stop me.
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 14,096
    tbergs said:
    Get_Right said:
    tbergs said:
    Get_Right said:
    Stop me. Ask me questions. Search my bags. I have nothing to hide. Stop a thousand and catch one bad actor. I am fine with that. 
    Edit: You get detained when you do not cooperate. Police procedures do not avail you of constitutional rights. Failure to provide ID can get you put in Jail. Speak out or resist and that gets you in Jail. And yes, being loud and disorderly can get you in Jail. The courts will figure it out later. Get real.
    Wow. You really are living in the wrong era and country. You also are willing to throw away 4th amendment rights as well. Cool.

    If you are not doing anything wrong, it will work itself out. I have no fear of being caught in a web. 
    You are the first person I have ever heard say they're ok with blatant and open civil liberties violations in the name of what? Safety? Pfft, yeah right. I don't think you even understand what you're implying. Even if, and that's an impossible if, every LE type person working in the field today was trustworthy, honest and unbiased, I still wouldn't ever opt for that in any situation. That's inviting corruption, shakedowns and bribes galore, which is speculatively what is currently happening at the admin level of our government. Insane.

    It has been happening for a long time. At all levels. To suggest otherwise is ignorance about political process. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 41,916
    tbergs said:
    Get_Right said:
    tbergs said:
    Get_Right said:
    Stop me. Ask me questions. Search my bags. I have nothing to hide. Stop a thousand and catch one bad actor. I am fine with that. 
    Edit: You get detained when you do not cooperate. Police procedures do not avail you of constitutional rights. Failure to provide ID can get you put in Jail. Speak out or resist and that gets you in Jail. And yes, being loud and disorderly can get you in Jail. The courts will figure it out later. Get real.
    Wow. You really are living in the wrong era and country. You also are willing to throw away 4th amendment rights as well. Cool.

    If you are not doing anything wrong, it will work itself out. I have no fear of being caught in a web. 
    You are the first person I have ever heard say they're ok with blatant and open civil liberties violations in the name of what? Safety? Pfft, yeah right. I don't think you even understand what you're implying. Even if, and that's an impossible if, every LE type person working in the field today was trustworthy, honest and unbiased, I still wouldn't ever opt for that in any situation. That's inviting corruption, shakedowns and bribes galore, which is speculatively what is currently happening at the admin level of our government. Insane.
    We’re around 1936 right about now. With attitudes like Get Right’s, it’s just a matter of time.

    I look forward to when ICE, in an effort to appear not to be racially profiling, starts detaining white, US citizens, in the United States, on a larger scale, via grabbing people at transit stops, highway on/off ramps and other places where mixed crowds might mingle and be available to make a point.
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,249
    tbergs said:
    Get_Right said:
    tbergs said:
    Get_Right said:
    Stop me. Ask me questions. Search my bags. I have nothing to hide. Stop a thousand and catch one bad actor. I am fine with that. 
    Edit: You get detained when you do not cooperate. Police procedures do not avail you of constitutional rights. Failure to provide ID can get you put in Jail. Speak out or resist and that gets you in Jail. And yes, being loud and disorderly can get you in Jail. The courts will figure it out later. Get real.
    Wow. You really are living in the wrong era and country. You also are willing to throw away 4th amendment rights as well. Cool.

    If you are not doing anything wrong, it will work itself out. I have no fear of being caught in a web. 
    You are the first person I have ever heard say they're ok with blatant and open civil liberties violations in the name of what? Safety? Pfft, yeah right. I don't think you even understand what you're implying. Even if, and that's an impossible if, every LE type person working in the field today was trustworthy, honest and unbiased, I still wouldn't ever opt for that in any situation. That's inviting corruption, shakedowns and bribes galore, which is speculatively what is currently happening at the admin level of our government. Insane.
    See, a sad event happened so he is okay throwing power to the government.  You missed that something sad happened.  We can’t have sad things happen.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,529
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Stop me. Ask me questions. Search my bags. I have nothing to hide. Stop a thousand and catch one bad actor. I am fine with that. 
    At the border?  Yes.  

    But if you are walking down the street, you are okay being stopped and asked questions?


    Yes. I have nothing to hide. Even if it results in a detainment or jail, it will work out. I might even get paid for my inconvenience. 
    WTF. Just hand over your liberty.   Hello police state.  You have put a ridiculous amount of trust in your government that does not care one bit bit about you.  

    I don't understand how you think everything will work out.  How much is the legal bill you'll need to pay to get someone to listen?  What if you have $100 in the bank?  Someone's going to listen?   If the media doesn't care and publicize it, sorry, you are toast.  Say you get deported accidentally.  You think you are coming back to the states without money or the media standing up for you?  

    You are making scary comments for those that prefer freedom and liberty.  And sounds like you've lived a nice sheltered life thus far.  
    Sorry but I lived in Manhattan on 9/11. I watched the second plane hit live from my roof deck. I really do not give two hoots if you have an immigration issue. You either have the docs or you don't. It is not complicated. I am in favor of enhanced border control. No matter who is President. 
    And fear is the underlying driver of all these people
    being willing to relinquish their rights. 
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 9,447
    I say boot the criminals, but let anyone else stay. they are spending money, paying taxes and contributing to what has Made America Great always. 
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 41,305
    I say boot the criminals, but let anyone else stay. they are spending money, paying taxes and contributing to what has Made America Great always. 
    You have to change some laws and stop the influx though.  

    To say that it doesn't hurt anyone or that it doesn't effect spending is kidding themselves.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,092
    I say boot the criminals, but let anyone else stay. they are spending money, paying taxes and contributing to what has Made America Great always. 
    trump even made that suggestion a few weeks back...then they started raiding farms again
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 44,226
    Get_Right said:
    Stop me. Ask me questions. Search my bags. I have nothing to hide. Stop a thousand and catch one bad actor. I am fine with that. 
    Edit: You get detained when you do not cooperate. Police procedures do not avail you of constitutional rights. Failure to provide ID can get you put in Jail. Speak out or resist and that gets you in Jail. And yes, being loud and disorderly can get you in Jail. The courts will figure it out later. Get real.

    you do you then and wear a sign stating such.

    they can fuck all the way off over that bullshit. its ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL 
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 14,096
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    Stop me. Ask me questions. Search my bags. I have nothing to hide. Stop a thousand and catch one bad actor. I am fine with that. 
    Edit: You get detained when you do not cooperate. Police procedures do not avail you of constitutional rights. Failure to provide ID can get you put in Jail. Speak out or resist and that gets you in Jail. And yes, being loud and disorderly can get you in Jail. The courts will figure it out later. Get real.

    you do you then and wear a sign stating such.

    they can fuck all the way off over that bullshit. its ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL 

    Claim all the rights you want. US law enforcement can detain you whenever they want. That is reality. You want a lawyer? Fine. Hands behind your back and get in the car. Call your lawyer when we get to the station. It happens every day. ICE has even more discretion. Why is this surprising? Get real. There is increased border enforcement under the current admin. And yes, they may be pushing the limits of legality, but that is par for the course with this admin. Golf analogy intended.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,740
    Who did they vote for?
    https://www.axios.com/2025/06/26/trump-harris-latino-voters-2024-election-pew
    He almost got to 50% of the eligible Latino voters but that doesn’t answer the question? Posed to her? Last I looked you can’t vote if you’re only a green card holder and also can’t be deported unless you’ve committed a crime but I guess if your here illegally it’s considered a crime even though the individual has been living here abiding the law for 30+ years 

    I agree it’s effing horrible how they are getting treated but these voters are a significant reason he won, and a big reason Florida is untouchable for democrats now. They knew full well what he is capable of when they voted.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,740
    tbergs said:
    Get_Right said:
    tbergs said:
    Get_Right said:
    Stop me. Ask me questions. Search my bags. I have nothing to hide. Stop a thousand and catch one bad actor. I am fine with that. 
    Edit: You get detained when you do not cooperate. Police procedures do not avail you of constitutional rights. Failure to provide ID can get you put in Jail. Speak out or resist and that gets you in Jail. And yes, being loud and disorderly can get you in Jail. The courts will figure it out later. Get real.
    Wow. You really are living in the wrong era and country. You also are willing to throw away 4th amendment rights as well. Cool.

    If you are not doing anything wrong, it will work itself out. I have no fear of being caught in a web. 
    You are the first person I have ever heard say they're ok with blatant and open civil liberties violations in the name of what? Safety? Pfft, yeah right. I don't think you even understand what you're implying. Even if, and that's an impossible if, every LE type person working in the field today was trustworthy, honest and unbiased, I still wouldn't ever opt for that in any situation. That's inviting corruption, shakedowns and bribes galore, which is speculatively what is currently happening at the admin level of our government. Insane.

    What does the 14th tell us?

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


    im not sure we are going to like what the Robert’s court will say about equal protection for those here under false pretenses. Need to win the senate at some point to get an interpretation the left likes.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 44,226
    Since Donald Trump took office, agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement have swarmed areas with immigrant populations, questioning people and making arrests. They’ve patrolled near schools and raided a homeless shelter. They arrested a four-year-old, two students of New York City public schools, and an Army veteran who happened to be Latino. Recently, masked and armed ICE agents descended on a baseball field in Riverside Park. They questioned a dozen or so 11- to 14-year-olds who’d just finished batting practice, and left only after a confrontation with their coach, Youman Wilder, whom they threatened with arrest. He said, “I’m willing to die to make sure these kids can get home,” he recounted afterward. Read more about how Wilder, who has coached Little League for 21 years—including four who have gone pro, handled the incident: https://newyorkermag.visitlink.me/bfg9Of
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 41,916
    Get_Right said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    Stop me. Ask me questions. Search my bags. I have nothing to hide. Stop a thousand and catch one bad actor. I am fine with that. 
    Edit: You get detained when you do not cooperate. Police procedures do not avail you of constitutional rights. Failure to provide ID can get you put in Jail. Speak out or resist and that gets you in Jail. And yes, being loud and disorderly can get you in Jail. The courts will figure it out later. Get real.

    you do you then and wear a sign stating such.

    they can fuck all the way off over that bullshit. its ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL 

    Claim all the rights you want. US law enforcement can detain you whenever they want. That is reality. You want a lawyer? Fine. Hands behind your back and get in the car. Call your lawyer when we get to the station. It happens every day. ICE has even more discretion. Why is this surprising? Get real. There is increased border enforcement under the current admin. And yes, they may be pushing the limits of legality, but that is par for the course with this admin. Golf analogy intended.
    ICE has even less discretion. It is illegal for ICE to stop, question and detain US CITIZENS IN THE UNITED STATES. Full stop. So much for the “rule of law.”

    No wonder we’re where we’re at as a country.
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 14,096
    Get_Right said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    Stop me. Ask me questions. Search my bags. I have nothing to hide. Stop a thousand and catch one bad actor. I am fine with that. 
    Edit: You get detained when you do not cooperate. Police procedures do not avail you of constitutional rights. Failure to provide ID can get you put in Jail. Speak out or resist and that gets you in Jail. And yes, being loud and disorderly can get you in Jail. The courts will figure it out later. Get real.

    you do you then and wear a sign stating such.

    they can fuck all the way off over that bullshit. its ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL 

    Claim all the rights you want. US law enforcement can detain you whenever they want. That is reality. You want a lawyer? Fine. Hands behind your back and get in the car. Call your lawyer when we get to the station. It happens every day. ICE has even more discretion. Why is this surprising? Get real. There is increased border enforcement under the current admin. And yes, they may be pushing the limits of legality, but that is par for the course with this admin. Golf analogy intended.
    ICE has even less discretion. It is illegal for ICE to stop, question and detain US CITIZENS IN THE UNITED STATES. Full stop. So much for the “rule of law.”

    No wonder we’re where we’re at as a country.

    Not true if they suspect a citizen is facilitating illegal immigration. And that is not a very high burden of proof. Full stop. And get real. Perhaps a non resident adult using US born children to cross the border. 
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 31,478
    Get_Right said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    Stop me. Ask me questions. Search my bags. I have nothing to hide. Stop a thousand and catch one bad actor. I am fine with that. 
    Edit: You get detained when you do not cooperate. Police procedures do not avail you of constitutional rights. Failure to provide ID can get you put in Jail. Speak out or resist and that gets you in Jail. And yes, being loud and disorderly can get you in Jail. The courts will figure it out later. Get real.

    you do you then and wear a sign stating such.

    they can fuck all the way off over that bullshit. its ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL 

    Claim all the rights you want. US law enforcement can detain you whenever they want. That is reality. You want a lawyer? Fine. Hands behind your back and get in the car. Call your lawyer when we get to the station. It happens every day. ICE has even more discretion. Why is this surprising? Get real. There is increased border enforcement under the current admin. And yes, they may be pushing the limits of legality, but that is par for the course with this admin. Golf analogy intended.
    lol are you kidding the detained immigrants don’t even get to call a lawyer! Hands behind your back lol next stop Alligator Alcatraz or El Salvador! 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 41,916
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    Stop me. Ask me questions. Search my bags. I have nothing to hide. Stop a thousand and catch one bad actor. I am fine with that. 
    Edit: You get detained when you do not cooperate. Police procedures do not avail you of constitutional rights. Failure to provide ID can get you put in Jail. Speak out or resist and that gets you in Jail. And yes, being loud and disorderly can get you in Jail. The courts will figure it out later. Get real.

    you do you then and wear a sign stating such.

    they can fuck all the way off over that bullshit. its ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL 

    Claim all the rights you want. US law enforcement can detain you whenever they want. That is reality. You want a lawyer? Fine. Hands behind your back and get in the car. Call your lawyer when we get to the station. It happens every day. ICE has even more discretion. Why is this surprising? Get real. There is increased border enforcement under the current admin. And yes, they may be pushing the limits of legality, but that is par for the course with this admin. Golf analogy intended.
    ICE has even less discretion. It is illegal for ICE to stop, question and detain US CITIZENS IN THE UNITED STATES. Full stop. So much for the “rule of law.”

    No wonder we’re where we’re at as a country.

    Not true if they suspect a citizen is facilitating illegal immigration. And that is not a very high burden of proof. Full stop. And get real. Perhaps a non resident adult using US born children to cross the border. 
    Your argument is a joke. But must come from white, male upper class privilege, as you've admitted, eh?

    "Suspect?' Gotta have a warrant, right? Just walking down the street, "hey that guy looks like he is facilitating illegal immigration! Detain him, move him to another state's holding facility, deny access to a lawyer and then let the courts figure it out whenever someone notices or figures out where the fuck they are."

    What's your address? We should test your tolerance and compliance levels.
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 14,096
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    Stop me. Ask me questions. Search my bags. I have nothing to hide. Stop a thousand and catch one bad actor. I am fine with that. 
    Edit: You get detained when you do not cooperate. Police procedures do not avail you of constitutional rights. Failure to provide ID can get you put in Jail. Speak out or resist and that gets you in Jail. And yes, being loud and disorderly can get you in Jail. The courts will figure it out later. Get real.

    you do you then and wear a sign stating such.

    they can fuck all the way off over that bullshit. its ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL 

    Claim all the rights you want. US law enforcement can detain you whenever they want. That is reality. You want a lawyer? Fine. Hands behind your back and get in the car. Call your lawyer when we get to the station. It happens every day. ICE has even more discretion. Why is this surprising? Get real. There is increased border enforcement under the current admin. And yes, they may be pushing the limits of legality, but that is par for the course with this admin. Golf analogy intended.
    ICE has even less discretion. It is illegal for ICE to stop, question and detain US CITIZENS IN THE UNITED STATES. Full stop. So much for the “rule of law.”

    No wonder we’re where we’re at as a country.

    Not true if they suspect a citizen is facilitating illegal immigration. And that is not a very high burden of proof. Full stop. And get real. Perhaps a non resident adult using US born children to cross the border. 
    Your argument is a joke. But must come from white, male upper class privilege, as you've admitted, eh?

    "Suspect?' Gotta have a warrant, right? Just walking down the street, "hey that guy looks like he is facilitating illegal immigration! Detain him, move him to another state's holding facility, deny access to a lawyer and then let the courts figure it out whenever someone notices or figures out where the fuck they are."

    What's your address? We should test your tolerance and compliance levels.

    Call it a joke, but that is what is happening. No warrant required for police enforcement. It really does not take much for ICE to act. And yes, I have never denied my position. I speak from a position of privilege. I live with a green card holder. But we are not in fear. We travel freely. Because ICE would never bother us. Why is that? Maybe because we are law abiding people that pay taxes. If you do not well then do not be surprised by the repercussions. They may be harsh under the current admin. I live in New York, around the corner from the Clintons. As blue as it gets. Bring some crab and I will buy you a proper bacon egg and cheese.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,529
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    Stop me. Ask me questions. Search my bags. I have nothing to hide. Stop a thousand and catch one bad actor. I am fine with that. 
    Edit: You get detained when you do not cooperate. Police procedures do not avail you of constitutional rights. Failure to provide ID can get you put in Jail. Speak out or resist and that gets you in Jail. And yes, being loud and disorderly can get you in Jail. The courts will figure it out later. Get real.

    you do you then and wear a sign stating such.

    they can fuck all the way off over that bullshit. its ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL 

    Claim all the rights you want. US law enforcement can detain you whenever they want. That is reality. You want a lawyer? Fine. Hands behind your back and get in the car. Call your lawyer when we get to the station. It happens every day. ICE has even more discretion. Why is this surprising? Get real. There is increased border enforcement under the current admin. And yes, they may be pushing the limits of legality, but that is par for the course with this admin. Golf analogy intended.
    ICE has even less discretion. It is illegal for ICE to stop, question and detain US CITIZENS IN THE UNITED STATES. Full stop. So much for the “rule of law.”

    No wonder we’re where we’re at as a country.

    Not true if they suspect a citizen is facilitating illegal immigration. And that is not a very high burden of proof. Full stop. And get real. Perhaps a non resident adult using US born children to cross the border. 
    Your argument is a joke. But must come from white, male upper class privilege, as you've admitted, eh?

    "Suspect?' Gotta have a warrant, right? Just walking down the street, "hey that guy looks like he is facilitating illegal immigration! Detain him, move him to another state's holding facility, deny access to a lawyer and then let the courts figure it out whenever someone notices or figures out where the fuck they are."

    What's your address? We should test your tolerance and compliance levels.

    Call it a joke, but that is what is happening. No warrant required for police enforcement. It really does not take much for ICE to act. And yes, I have never denied my position. I speak from a position of privilege. I live with a green card holder. But we are not in fear. We travel freely. Because ICE would never bother us. Why is that? Maybe because we are law abiding people that pay taxes. If you do not well then do not be surprised by the repercussions. They may be harsh under the current admin. I live in New York, around the corner from the Clintons. As blue as it gets. Bring some crab and I will buy you a proper bacon egg and cheese.
    ICE still needs probable cause. It seems like you’re watching what’s happening and concluding it’s constitutional. It’s not. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 41,916
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    Stop me. Ask me questions. Search my bags. I have nothing to hide. Stop a thousand and catch one bad actor. I am fine with that. 
    Edit: You get detained when you do not cooperate. Police procedures do not avail you of constitutional rights. Failure to provide ID can get you put in Jail. Speak out or resist and that gets you in Jail. And yes, being loud and disorderly can get you in Jail. The courts will figure it out later. Get real.

    you do you then and wear a sign stating such.

    they can fuck all the way off over that bullshit. its ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL 

    Claim all the rights you want. US law enforcement can detain you whenever they want. That is reality. You want a lawyer? Fine. Hands behind your back and get in the car. Call your lawyer when we get to the station. It happens every day. ICE has even more discretion. Why is this surprising? Get real. There is increased border enforcement under the current admin. And yes, they may be pushing the limits of legality, but that is par for the course with this admin. Golf analogy intended.
    ICE has even less discretion. It is illegal for ICE to stop, question and detain US CITIZENS IN THE UNITED STATES. Full stop. So much for the “rule of law.”

    No wonder we’re where we’re at as a country.

    Not true if they suspect a citizen is facilitating illegal immigration. And that is not a very high burden of proof. Full stop. And get real. Perhaps a non resident adult using US born children to cross the border. 
    Your argument is a joke. But must come from white, male upper class privilege, as you've admitted, eh?

    "Suspect?' Gotta have a warrant, right? Just walking down the street, "hey that guy looks like he is facilitating illegal immigration! Detain him, move him to another state's holding facility, deny access to a lawyer and then let the courts figure it out whenever someone notices or figures out where the fuck they are."

    What's your address? We should test your tolerance and compliance levels.

    Call it a joke, but that is what is happening. No warrant required for police enforcement. It really does not take much for ICE to act. And yes, I have never denied my position. I speak from a position of privilege. I live with a green card holder. But we are not in fear. We travel freely. Because ICE would never bother us. Why is that? Maybe because we are law abiding people that pay taxes. If you do not well then do not be surprised by the repercussions. They may be harsh under the current admin. I live in New York, around the corner from the Clintons. As blue as it gets. Bring some crab and I will buy you a proper bacon egg and cheese.
    ICE still needs probable cause. It seems like you’re watching what’s happening and concluding it’s constitutional. It’s not. 
    And that somehow his white privilege and spouse with a green card, law abidedness and lack of a criminal record is magically transponded to any nearby ICE agents, so protected they are from being illegally snatched and detained are they. Must have been that version of the jab.

    ICE will love a tip that there may be a couple who might be facilitating illegal immigration right around the corner from the Clinton's and I think I heard their house was connected underground to the Clinton's house so the Clintons are probably in on it, and many other things, many people are saying.
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 14,096
    The more you talk the dumber you sound. Underground? You make stupid look easy.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 41,916
    Get_Right said:
    The more you talk the dumber you sound. Underground? You make stupid look easy.
    Like Comet Pizza, yo! Those stupids elected COOTWH on that nonsense. You not knowing ICE has no authority with US citizens is more telling than my attempt at sarcasm. Enjoy your crabs.
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 14,096
    You are wrong. It is that simple. Federal and even local agents have carte blanche. US Citizens or not.  If they suspect anything you can be detained.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 31,478
    Im done here folks! Just pay your taxes no need to worry wtf 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 41,916
    Get_Right said:
    You are wrong. It is that simple. Federal and even local agents have carte blanche. US Citizens or not.  If they suspect anything you can be detained.
    How’s your goose stepping, by the way? You might want to read up on ICE’s legislative authority. 
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    Im done here folks! Just pay your taxes no need to worry wtf 
    And comply Jose. Don’t forget to just comply.
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 14,096
    Get_Right said:
    You are wrong. It is that simple. Federal and even local agents have carte blanche. US Citizens or not.  If they suspect anything you can be detained.
    How’s your goose stepping, by the way? You might want to read up on ICE’s legislative authority. 

    I step out of the way on the beach at Westport. What is written in the rules does not always equal what happens on the ground. Are you seriously trying to school me?  I know more about the rules and judicial enforcement than you will ever know.
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