Immigration

josevolution · July 15

https://www.governing.com/archive/tns-free-calls-for-inmates-nyc.html

While conditions are terrible in most jails I still believe Alligator Alcatraz is worse

Lerxst1992 · July 15

Halifax2TheMax said:

Tim Simmons said:

Mamdani can’t run for president.

I admire your patience.

Geez do they even have mirrors in the country you live in?

josevolution · July 15

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Tim Simmons said:

Mamdani can’t run for president.

I admire your patience.

Geez do they even have mirrors in the country you live in?

Do they in yours

Lerxst1992 · July 15

Tim Simmons said:

Mamdani can’t run for president.

Thanks, I’ll be more careful noting his country of birth. Hopeful trump signs an EO extending Article II section 1 to nyc.

Tim Simmons · July 15

hmmmmmm

josevolution · July 15

Socialist are coming socialist are coming get your $$$ out of banks hide it underneath your mattress

tempo_n_groove · July 16

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

How incredibly low we have fallen...
From Heather's letter 7/12/25:
Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) said: “These detainees are living in cages. The pictures you've seen don't do it justice. They are essentially packed into cages. Wall to wall humans. Thirty-two detainees per cage…. There are three tiny toilets that…have a sink attached to it, so…they get their drinking water and they brush their teeth where they poop, in the same unit." Nine hundred men are currently in the facility.

The person whom wrote this has obviously never been to prison. The toilets and sink are always a combination unit. They must also have some crazy bathroom where the sink isn't next to their toilet...

Did you watch her presser? Go ahead tell me how it makes sense for you to say this^^^^

Jose I built prisons for 15 years. This isn't anything new or obscene. We installed these as common industry practice. Again, this congresswoman must have her sink in another room from her toilet. My toilets are next to my sinks as I'm sure yours are too.
Jose I am used to this, nothing new to me. Below is a typical combi unit. This is the uproar. Below that is a toilet right next to a sink in a house that is typical for millions of people... Imagine people at home brushing their teeth where they poop...
It's a bullshit uproar.
I still think the administration is going to get sued to the teeth for how they are apprehending people. They did this in NY a few years back and the counties paid out millions.

prison cell holds no more than 2.

how many are in these chain link cells at one time? not to mention no walls at all for some modicum of privacy.

County holding cells have many people in them. This has been going on forever.

Holding cell and prison cell are two different things but they both will have this same combi unit.

Is your sink next to your toilet?

county workhouse cell I was in , the separate toilet, next to the sink , was behind a wall , 4 ft high.

holding tanks had no facilities.

Must have been a long time ago. This is common practice now.

So is your toilet in your house next to your sink like most houses have?

did I make that argument against? hmmm?

Honestly I was expecting you to fall in line w everyone else. My apologies for thinking that.

my concern with that facility in particular and I expect it will be the same with the rest of them that will be built, is this was done extremely cheaply. blatant grift.
They claim its rated to a Cat2 hurricane. I call bullshit on its face.
health problems from the garuanteed insect bites, sure to come. reporting says lights on 24/7. assume l.e.d , so overall conditions detrimental to mental health.

lack of congressional oversight. both the turn a blind eye by the sycophants of fuckstick and the denial of those opposing legal right to entry at will.

then theres the reported probable damage to the ecosysyem that will be done.

I don't know if you remember when I posted about the tent city they made at Floyd Bennett Field over in Brooklyn? It's basically in the middle of nowhere and the outskirts of Brooklyn. They posted it for the Migrants and asylum seekers. They also made tents for them over on Randals island. The people in them weren't very happy considering they were putting people up in hotels.

What I am getting at is they were using the same thing pretty much here in NY.

I still think they get the balls sued off of them.

Environmental impact? If the people can't leave the facility and only stay on the grounds the ecosystem should stay in tact no?

tempo_n_groove · July 16

Tim Simmons said:

Mamdani can’t run for president.

Lets see how he handles NYC first.

Tim Simmons · July 16

I’m fine with rhat

josevolution · July 16

Me too

mickeyrat · July 16

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

How incredibly low we have fallen...
From Heather's letter 7/12/25:
Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) said: “These detainees are living in cages. The pictures you've seen don't do it justice. They are essentially packed into cages. Wall to wall humans. Thirty-two detainees per cage…. There are three tiny toilets that…have a sink attached to it, so…they get their drinking water and they brush their teeth where they poop, in the same unit." Nine hundred men are currently in the facility.

The person whom wrote this has obviously never been to prison. The toilets and sink are always a combination unit. They must also have some crazy bathroom where the sink isn't next to their toilet...

Did you watch her presser? Go ahead tell me how it makes sense for you to say this^^^^

Jose I built prisons for 15 years. This isn't anything new or obscene. We installed these as common industry practice. Again, this congresswoman must have her sink in another room from her toilet. My toilets are next to my sinks as I'm sure yours are too.
Jose I am used to this, nothing new to me. Below is a typical combi unit. This is the uproar. Below that is a toilet right next to a sink in a house that is typical for millions of people... Imagine people at home brushing their teeth where they poop...
It's a bullshit uproar.
I still think the administration is going to get sued to the teeth for how they are apprehending people. They did this in NY a few years back and the counties paid out millions.

prison cell holds no more than 2.

how many are in these chain link cells at one time? not to mention no walls at all for some modicum of privacy.

County holding cells have many people in them. This has been going on forever.

Holding cell and prison cell are two different things but they both will have this same combi unit.

Is your sink next to your toilet?

county workhouse cell I was in , the separate toilet, next to the sink , was behind a wall , 4 ft high.

holding tanks had no facilities.

Must have been a long time ago. This is common practice now.

So is your toilet in your house next to your sink like most houses have?

did I make that argument against? hmmm?

Honestly I was expecting you to fall in line w everyone else. My apologies for thinking that.

my concern with that facility in particular and I expect it will be the same with the rest of them that will be built, is this was done extremely cheaply. blatant grift.
They claim its rated to a Cat2 hurricane. I call bullshit on its face.
health problems from the garuanteed insect bites, sure to come. reporting says lights on 24/7. assume l.e.d , so overall conditions detrimental to mental health.

lack of congressional oversight. both the turn a blind eye by the sycophants of fuckstick and the denial of those opposing legal right to entry at will.

then theres the reported probable damage to the ecosysyem that will be done.

I don't know if you remember when I posted about the tent city they made at Floyd Bennett Field over in Brooklyn? It's basically in the middle of nowhere and the outskirts of Brooklyn. They posted it for the Migrants and asylum seekers. They also made tents for them over on Randals island. The people in them weren't very happy considering they were putting people up in hotels.

What I am getting at is they were using the same thing pretty much here in NY.

I still think they get the balls sued off of them.

Environmental impact? If the people can't leave the facility and only stay on the grounds the ecosystem should stay in tact no?

were those migrants held against their will there?

josevolution · July 16

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna218855

Harden criminal my ass Fuckface is more of a criminal then 75% of the incarcerated immigrants!

Lerxst1992 · July 16

tempo_n_groove said:

Tim Simmons said:

Mamdani can’t run for president.

Let’s see how he handles NYC first.

it’s rigged in NYC, a place completely full of Ocasiocrats. Would love to call them Mamdanicrats, but thx to TS, they reminded us mamdani can’t ever be our potus.

Tim Simmons · July 16

it comes across as just the weirdest of bitterness

Lerxst1992 · July 16

Tim Simmons said:

it comes across as just the weirdest of bitterness

If that’s what you call fighting against the extremist direction of the party after a horrible loss, in a direction that’s never proven itself (especially in the places Dems have been losing ground the last ten years), within a sea of blind loyalist bias, so be it

Tim Simmons · July 16

But their policies are popular. Could it be that they haven't proven themselves (other than where they have) because the Democratic establishment (the ones who HAVE been losing) want to aim for the middle with limp policy?

gimmesometruth27 · July 16

Tim Simmons said:

But their policies are popular. Could it be that they haven't proven themselves (other than where they have) because the Democratic establishment (the ones who HAVE been losing) want to aim for the middle with limp policy?

americans do like dem policies over gop policies, but they do not like the dem messengers. see the new made up dem slur "ocasiocrats".

static111 · July 16

Lol ever heard of the New Deal? Very popular socialist policies that were beloved for years until they were distorted as bad by am radio, neoliberalism and Milton freedmanites. When the types of policies that progressives propose are put into effect they are very popular, the problem has always been misinformation and gate keeping.

Tim Simmons · July 16

Tim Simmons said:

But their policies are popular. Could it be that they haven't proven themselves (other than where they have) because the Democratic establishment (the ones who HAVE been losing) want to aim for the middle with limp policy?

I mean, look at all the attacks (or lack of support) Mamdani has gotten from within his own party.

Lerxst1992 · July 16

Tim Simmons said:

But their policies are popular. Could it be that they haven't proven themselves (other than where they have) because the Democratic establishment (the ones who HAVE been losing) want to aim for the middle with limp policy?

With ai, it’s very easy to understand why this fails so often. But y’all continue to laugh at Hal’s absurd partisan buffoonery

AI Overview

This observation—that certain Democratic policies might be popular with voters but fail to translate into widespread support for the party as a whole—is a complex and debated topic. Here's an analysis of potential reasons:

Messaging and communication issues:
- Democrats are sometimes perceived as using language that is too academic, vague, or overly focused on "political correctness," making it difficult for some voters, particularly working-class individuals, to connect with the party's message.
- There is also concern within the party about a lack of a clear, coherent message, with some believing there's too much focus on individual issues rather than a unifying theme, according to The New York Times.
Perceived disconnect from economic concerns:
- Some voters feel Democrats are overly focused on cultural and social issues while not adequately addressing economic concerns like jobs, wages, and inflation that are paramount to everyday people.
- Voters who supported former President Trump, for example, hoped he would lower prices and make their lives easier, highlighting a potential missed opportunity for Democrats to connect on these issues, notes The New York Times.
Overemphasis on identity politics:
- Some working-class voters feel Democrats prioritize niche, identity-based groups, which can make them feel excluded rather than included in the party's broad message.
"Faculty lounge" problem:
- Democrats are sometimes seen as judgmental, out-of-touch, and dismissive of individuals without elite education or progressive views, creating a perception of disconnect from mainstream voters.
Perception of being unresponsive to voters or compromising too easily:
- Some Democrats feel the party isn't aggressively fighting for their interests, particularly in the face of strong opposition, according to NBC News.
Attachment to potentially unpopular institutions or figures:
- While not explicitly stated as a cause of disconnect, the public's general dissatisfaction with both major parties is significant, with a quarter of Americans feeling neither party represents their interests, according to the Pew Research Center.
- Additionally, both parties are viewed unfavorably by majorities of Americans.

Important considerations

Complexity of voter motivations: Voters are complex and can be influenced by a myriad of factors beyond a party's policy positions. Personal values, cultural connections, and perceptions of leadership all play a role in shaping voter preferences.
Partisan polarization: The increasing partisan polarization in the United States makes it challenging for voters to see common ground or even understand the motivations of those on the "other side," according to the Pew Research Center.
Effectiveness of "culture war" issues: While some argue that focusing on progressive social issues can be a disadvantage in certain contexts, others maintain that the debate is more nuanced, suggesting that the party's image might be impacting how these policies are perceived, rather than the policies themselves being inherently unpopular.

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