Immigration

Get_Right · July 14

gotthebottle said:

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:

Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.

I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing.
But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them.
Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?

There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.

So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?

In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.

Are you &%^$*#^ kidding?

https://www.axios.com/local/miami/2025/07/09/alligator-alcatraz-harsh-conditions-everglades
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't admitted.

Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.

First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.

Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.

Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?

"When they show you who they are"..... yep, I see it... where are the 1000s coming here illegally? I know where alot of them WERE.... WORKING.... in fields, in construction, etc. Now they're disappearing...

It's actually millions. Google is your friend. A lot is a piece of land. Know what you are talking about.

Lerxst1992 · July 14

gotthebottle said:

Wow.. some truly cruel people on these boards

Some very cruel American Latino voters this past November, as well.

gotthebottle · July 14

Get_Right said:

gotthebottle said:

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:

Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.

I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing.
But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them.
Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?

There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.

So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?

In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.

Are you &%^$*#^ kidding?

https://www.axios.com/local/miami/2025/07/09/alligator-alcatraz-harsh-conditions-everglades
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't admitted.

Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.

First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.

Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.

Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?

"When they show you who they are"..... yep, I see it... where are the 1000s coming here illegally? I know where alot of them WERE.... WORKING.... in fields, in construction, etc. Now they're disappearing...

It's actually millions. Google is your friend. A lot is a piece of land. Know what you are talking about.

You said thousands. Do you know what you're talking about

tbergs · July 14

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:

Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.

I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing.
But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them.
Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?

There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.

So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?

In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.

Are you &%^$*#^ kidding?

https://www.axios.com/local/miami/2025/07/09/alligator-alcatraz-harsh-conditions-everglades
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't admitted.

Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.

First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.

Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.

Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?

For clarification, what are you considering hardened criminals and what are the parameters? I'm not sure how someone can be designated as a hardened criminal with no due process. Or are you just referring to deportation and no due process for those who have been convicted of certain crimes?

For what it's worth, due process doesn't have to be complicated. It can be as simple as someone reviewing the case to confirm deportation is warranted and that they have the right person. There has to be some level of checks and balances, especially under the current ICE admin and their loose SOP for detainment and deportation.

Get_Right · July 14

tbergs said:

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:

Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.

I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing.
But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them.
Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?

There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.

So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?

In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.

Are you &%^$*#^ kidding?

https://www.axios.com/local/miami/2025/07/09/alligator-alcatraz-harsh-conditions-everglades
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't admitted.

Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.

First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.

Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.

Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?

For clarification, what are you considering hardened criminals and what are the parameters? I'm not sure how someone can be designated as a hardened criminal with no due process. Or are you just referring to deportation and no due process for those who have been convicted of certain crimes?

For what it's worth, due process doesn't have to be complicated. It can be as simple as someone reviewing the case to confirm deportation is warranted and that they have the right person. There has to be some level of checks and balances, especially under the current ICE admin and their loose SOP for detainment and deportation.

Should not matter. It is not about complexity. We are not talking about parking tickets. Who pays for someone to review a case? How much do think that costs? There are no checks and balances if you are not a citizen. Maybe my view is skewed from global travel. You cannot just walk into many countries. You get a bed and a meal. Many places just say get out.

Gern Blansten · July 14

Get_Right said:

tbergs said:

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:

Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.

I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing.
But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them.
Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?

There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.

So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?

In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.

Are you &%^$*#^ kidding?

https://www.axios.com/local/miami/2025/07/09/alligator-alcatraz-harsh-conditions-everglades
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't admitted.

Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.

First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.

Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.

Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?

For clarification, what are you considering hardened criminals and what are the parameters? I'm not sure how someone can be designated as a hardened criminal with no due process. Or are you just referring to deportation and no due process for those who have been convicted of certain crimes?

For what it's worth, due process doesn't have to be complicated. It can be as simple as someone reviewing the case to confirm deportation is warranted and that they have the right person. There has to be some level of checks and balances, especially under the current ICE admin and their loose SOP for detainment and deportation.

Should not matter. It is not about complexity. We are not talking about parking tickets. Who pays for someone to review a case? How much do think that costs? There are no checks and balances if you are not a citizen. Maybe my view is skewed from global travel. You cannot just walk into many countries. You get a bed and a meal. Many places just say get out.

that is false...completely

Get_Right · July 14

Gern Blansten said:

Get_Right said:

tbergs said:

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:

Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.

I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing.
But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them.
Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?

There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.

So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?

In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.

Are you &%^$*#^ kidding?

https://www.axios.com/local/miami/2025/07/09/alligator-alcatraz-harsh-conditions-everglades
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't admitted.

Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.

First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.

Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.

Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?

For clarification, what are you considering hardened criminals and what are the parameters? I'm not sure how someone can be designated as a hardened criminal with no due process. Or are you just referring to deportation and no due process for those who have been convicted of certain crimes?

For what it's worth, due process doesn't have to be complicated. It can be as simple as someone reviewing the case to confirm deportation is warranted and that they have the right person. There has to be some level of checks and balances, especially under the current ICE admin and their loose SOP for detainment and deportation.

Should not matter. It is not about complexity. We are not talking about parking tickets. Who pays for someone to review a case? How much do think that costs? There are no checks and balances if you are not a citizen. Maybe my view is skewed from global travel. You cannot just walk into many countries. You get a bed and a meal. Many places just say get out.

that is false...completely

Not under the current administration. Not false. Why do we see cages if what I say is false? We should assign an immigration officer to spend hours reviewing your request for entry? Rules may be written, but they are not being followed at the moment. Same with tariffs, but that is another conversation.

mace1229 · July 14

brianlux said:

Look folks, at this point, I have zero tolerance for inhumanity, and zero interest in discussing with people who make weak excuses for inhumane treatment. It's just in my nature to be this outspoken against cruelty, and I don't understand people who are not. If that's a problem for anyone, feel free to ignore me.

But no one was making excuses for inhumane treatment.
Ive said many times, I don’t agree with the ice roundups. I don’t agree with mass deportation. I don’t agree with the ice budget. I don’t agree with over crowding facilities. Those with an established life here and have lead a crime-free life should stay.
Those being detailed should have clean water and restrooms and adequate living conditions.
All I’m saying is fences and combo sinks have been the standard for decades. Those combo sinks are not unsanitary like some people report. It’s not drinking out of the toilet.

Yes, there are still unsanitary conditions that I don’t like, but it’s not because of those two things that I keep seeing brought up over and over. Things that have been the standard for decades that people are only now complaining about.

gotthebottle · July 14

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

Look folks, at this point, I have zero tolerance for inhumanity, and zero interest in discussing with people who make weak excuses for inhumane treatment. It's just in my nature to be this outspoken against cruelty, and I don't understand people who are not. If that's a problem for anyone, feel free to ignore me.

But no one was making excuses for inhumane treatment.
Ive said many times, I don’t agree with the ice roundups. I don’t agree with mass deportation. I don’t agree with the ice budget. I don’t agree with over crowding facilities. Those with an established life here and have lead a crime-free life should stay.
Those being detailed should have clean water and restrooms and adequate living conditions.
All I’m saying is fences and combo sinks have been the standard for decades. Those combo sinks are not unsanitary like some people report. It’s not drinking out of the toilet.

Yes, there are still unsanitary conditions that I don’t like, but it’s not because of those two things that I keep seeing brought up over and over. Things that have been the standard for decades that people are only now complaining about.

We have NOT had this "standard" for decades!! So much veiled? racism in this thread.
I'm done with it....

mace1229 · July 14

gotthebottle said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

Look folks, at this point, I have zero tolerance for inhumanity, and zero interest in discussing with people who make weak excuses for inhumane treatment. It's just in my nature to be this outspoken against cruelty, and I don't understand people who are not. If that's a problem for anyone, feel free to ignore me.

But no one was making excuses for inhumane treatment.
Ive said many times, I don’t agree with the ice roundups. I don’t agree with mass deportation. I don’t agree with the ice budget. I don’t agree with over crowding facilities. Those with an established life here and have lead a crime-free life should stay.
Those being detailed should have clean water and restrooms and adequate living conditions.
All I’m saying is fences and combo sinks have been the standard for decades. Those combo sinks are not unsanitary like some people report. It’s not drinking out of the toilet.

Yes, there are still unsanitary conditions that I don’t like, but it’s not because of those two things that I keep seeing brought up over and over. Things that have been the standard for decades that people are only now complaining about.

We have NOT had this "standard" for decades!! So much veiled? racism in this thread.
I'm done with it....

are you saying the use of fencing and the combo sinks in holding facilities is a new thing? Because it isn’t.

mace1229 · July 14

So serious question since I’ve been called racist multiple times over this.
Where was the outrage in 2012 when many of those “cages” were built?

Why only now is it wrong to use chain link and combo sinks?
Remember in 2018 when those pictures came out and everyone was furious at Trump over the conditions….until they learned the pictures were from 2014?
If you don’t complain in 2012, 2014, 2022 about the “cages” you are either disingenuous or uninformed about the facilities. And I don’t mean that as an insult, maybe people really don’t know they’ve been used by ice for over a decade and they’ve been in prisons since the 50s.
I’ll say it again, I’m against the ice roundups. I’m against mass deportation. I’m against inhumane treatment of illegal immigrants. But these holding facilities have been around a long time and people are only now getting upset over the use of fencing and combo sinks.

Tim Simmons · July 14

its always been wrong.

But when you have a less than magnanimous commander in chief (one who seems to delight in making people he doesn't like miserable), theres certainly going to be more attention drawn to it and show in the light its cruelty. So I get why more and more people are waking up to it.

Tim Simmons · July 14

But if its a need to keep score and the point is to say, "look Obama and Biden too", then fine. Obama and Biden too were wrong.

mickeyrat · July 14

Get_Right said:

tbergs said:

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:

Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.

I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing.
But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them.
Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?

There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.

So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?

In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.

Are you &%^$*#^ kidding?

https://www.axios.com/local/miami/2025/07/09/alligator-alcatraz-harsh-conditions-everglades
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't admitted.

Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.

First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.

Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.

Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?

For clarification, what are you considering hardened criminals and what are the parameters? I'm not sure how someone can be designated as a hardened criminal with no due process. Or are you just referring to deportation and no due process for those who have been convicted of certain crimes?

For what it's worth, due process doesn't have to be complicated. It can be as simple as someone reviewing the case to confirm deportation is warranted and that they have the right person. There has to be some level of checks and balances, especially under the current ICE admin and their loose SOP for detainment and deportation.

Should not matter. It is not about complexity. We are not talking about parking tickets. Who pays for someone to review a case? How much do think that costs? There are no checks and balances if you are not a citizen. Maybe my view is skewed from global travel. You cannot just walk into many countries. You get a bed and a meal. Many places just say get out.

show me on the Constitution where it says that. then show the law that was upheld saying that if not in the Constitution .

SCOTUS HAS AFFIRMED RIGHTS AFFORDED TO NON-CITIZENS.

Gern Blansten · July 14

Tim Simmons said:

its always been wrong.

But when you have a less than magnanimous commander in chief (one who seems to delight in making people he doesn't like miserable), theres certainly going to be more attention drawn to it and show in the light its cruelty. So I get why more and more people are waking up to it.

This is the difference...trump gets off on making people miserable, no other previous admin (except trump 1) has done this

Get_Right · July 14

mickeyrat said:

Get_Right said:

tbergs said:

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:

Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.

I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing.
But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them.
Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?

There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.

So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?

In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.

Are you &%^$*#^ kidding?

https://www.axios.com/local/miami/2025/07/09/alligator-alcatraz-harsh-conditions-everglades
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't admitted.

Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.

First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.

Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.

Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?

For clarification, what are you considering hardened criminals and what are the parameters? I'm not sure how someone can be designated as a hardened criminal with no due process. Or are you just referring to deportation and no due process for those who have been convicted of certain crimes?

For what it's worth, due process doesn't have to be complicated. It can be as simple as someone reviewing the case to confirm deportation is warranted and that they have the right person. There has to be some level of checks and balances, especially under the current ICE admin and their loose SOP for detainment and deportation.

Should not matter. It is not about complexity. We are not talking about parking tickets. Who pays for someone to review a case? How much do think that costs? There are no checks and balances if you are not a citizen. Maybe my view is skewed from global travel. You cannot just walk into many countries. You get a bed and a meal. Many places just say get out.

show me on the Constitution where it says that. then show the law that was upheld saying that if not in the Constitution .

SCOTUS HAS AFFIRMED RIGHTS AFFORDED TO NON-CITIZENS.

Yep they did. But there is a large gap between a judicial decision and the daily execution. Ask a CBP employee if they care about that decision. And we have a president who is not afraid of judges. Ever been stopped by a cop without Miranda rights being read? Actual citizens get hassled, many times bordering on unlawful, all the time. You can shout due process all you want from your jail cell. It will not get you out.

Halifax2TheMax · July 14

Get_Right said:

tbergs said:

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:

Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.

I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing.
But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them.
Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?

There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.

So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?

In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.

Are you &%^$*#^ kidding?

https://www.axios.com/local/miami/2025/07/09/alligator-alcatraz-harsh-conditions-everglades
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't admitted.

Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.

First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.

Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.

Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?

For clarification, what are you considering hardened criminals and what are the parameters? I'm not sure how someone can be designated as a hardened criminal with no due process. Or are you just referring to deportation and no due process for those who have been convicted of certain crimes?

For what it's worth, due process doesn't have to be complicated. It can be as simple as someone reviewing the case to confirm deportation is warranted and that they have the right person. There has to be some level of checks and balances, especially under the current ICE admin and their loose SOP for detainment and deportation.

Should not matter. It is not about complexity. We are not talking about parking tickets. Who pays for someone to review a case? How much do think that costs? There are no checks and balances if you are not a citizen. Maybe my view is skewed from global travel. You cannot just walk into many countries. You get a bed and a meal. Many places just say get out.

But we are talking about civil infractions that used to require due process. As for “hardened criminals” that’s what stupid was sold on to buy into the suspension of civil liberties. Taking it a step further, was there due process for those “hardened criminals” here, in which case, why are they here as they should have been deported upon finishing their sentence, of which I agree, get them out, with due process, or were/are the “hardened criminals” from wherever they came from, again, stupid sold on “they emptied their prisons and mental institutions”? Who determines that without due process? Or is a “hardened criminal” anyone who looks like an “other”, might have tattoos or calves the size of cantaloupes?

The logic around the practice versus the constitution doesn’t square and too many ‘Muricans are willingly giving up their rights in the process, either because of expense, their perception of white privilege and it can’t happen to them, the cruelty of it all because “somebody” has to pay, stupidity (there was a bi-partisan border bill but you know), or some combination of all these.

Get_Right · July 14

Not realistic. Too many people. It is simple in many countries, no visa no entry. The government may even put you on a flight that same day. There may even be worse conditions in Asia than those cages. You can have your due process from your home country. This is not the past. Showing up at Ellis Island is long gone.

brianlux · July 14

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

But you guys are still okay with this, aren’t you? Just normal stuff and it’s okay because he’s the “other, ‘other’ other, right? From Letter From An American:

Those numbers are unlikely to improve for the administration in light of yesterday’s ICE raids at two licensed cannabis farms in Southern California. Agents used less-lethal ammunition and tear gas in the raids. A number of people were injured, one critically. Agents arrested 200 people, including George Retes, a 25-year-old disabled veteran and U.S. citizen who worked at one of the farms as a security guard. Agents claimed Retes was a protester. His family has been unable to locate him, telling Josh Haskell of the local ABC affiliate that the local sheriff’s office and local police departments all said they do not know where he is.

I’ve said before I don’t agree with the ice raids. I think the increased ice budget is a waste of money. People who have an established life here should be allowed to stay. I disagree with a lot of what ice is doing.
But my comment was specifically about the conditions of the holding cells, or more accurately reflecting on the comments about them.
Why are they only called cages when it’s Trump? Why do people only have an issue with the plumbing when it’s Trump?

There is nothing wrong with using chain link or the type of sinks being used in itself. Going on camera about it in tears like AOC did only when the other side is in the White House is fake.

So you’re okay with “cages” and toilet/sink combos regardless of administration, correct?

In and of itself, sure. As long as the conditions remain humane and sanitary. Chain link fences and combo sinks alone don’t make it inhumane and unsanitary by themselves.

Are you &%^$*#^ kidding?

https://www.axios.com/local/miami/2025/07/09/alligator-alcatraz-harsh-conditions-everglades
Inconsistent temperatures: One detainee reported it being too cold inside the tent to sleep, but later that the air conditioning stopped working, leading to hot temperatures.
Wildlife: Multiple detainees reported large bugs and swarms of mosquitoes inside the cells.
Unsanitary conditions: Reports indicated detainees were unable to flush toilets and weren't given access to showers for several days.
No secure lines: One account said the state had yet to provide a secure phone line for detainees to call their legal counsel. A lawyer for a detainee told the Herald she's been unable to get in touch or confirm her client's whereabouts.
Hospitalization: HCA Florida confirmed to the Herald that a detainee from the facility arrived at the hospital Monday for care. State officials called it "fake news" before acknowledging an inmate arrived at the hospital but adding he wasn't admitted.

Where are we supposed to put them? I don't know a good answer. And that is the unsolved problem. The person that solves it might make a billion. I am truly sorry your free space is not comfortable and you do not get free phones or a clean toilet.

First off, they should be given due process.
Secondly, if they are not charged with a crime, back to their families and work.
Thirdly, any that really are hardened criminals, back to #1 above.
Fourthly, most are not criminals, so there is no need for that inhumane caging.
NO ONE belongs in those swampy shit holes.

Thank you, that was the easiest billion I've ever made.

Who pays for that? You did not solve the matter. Hardened criminals? Just get them out. No due process. I agree the conditions are deplorable. But really, what is the solution dealing with thousands of people coming here illegally? Should we shake their hand and put them up at a Hampton Inn?

No due process? You might as well tell me "Fuck those people, hang them on the spot."

You and I are done here.

Adios.

brianlux · July 14

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

Look folks, at this point, I have zero tolerance for inhumanity, and zero interest in discussing with people who make weak excuses for inhumane treatment. It's just in my nature to be this outspoken against cruelty, and I don't understand people who are not. If that's a problem for anyone, feel free to ignore me.

But no one was making excuses for inhumane treatment.
Ive said many times, I don’t agree with the ice roundups. I don’t agree with mass deportation. I don’t agree with the ice budget. I don’t agree with over crowding facilities. Those with an established life here and have lead a crime-free life should stay.
Those being detailed should have clean water and restrooms and adequate living conditions.
All I’m saying is fences and combo sinks have been the standard for decades. Those combo sinks are not unsanitary like some people report. It’s not drinking out of the toilet.

Yes, there are still unsanitary conditions that I don’t like, but it’s not because of those two things that I keep seeing brought up over and over. Things that have been the standard for decades that people are only now complaining about.

These "detention centers" are more like gulags. I don't understand any argument about that at this point.

And when a president says things like "We're going to teach them how to run away from an alligator if they escape prison," and when asked if the concept was for detainees to be eaten by alligators if they tried to escape, Trump reportedly replied, "I guess that's the concept". You can't honestly expect us to think this shit is "normal".

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