Canadian Politics Redux

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  • Parksy
    Parksy Posts: 1,852
    While I completely get the joke and mildly agree with it... in context with Trump and Elon... these are not men. They are boys. Around 2-3 year old boys. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,706
    edited July 3
    :rofl: To be really bitchy about it... I am not surprised this dude is from Chilliwack, LOL. I an glad most Canadians are not this ridiculous. 

    I was proud to be Canadian. No...
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/gord-larson-first-person-1.7563659
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  • Zod
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    PJ_Soul said:
    :rofl: To be really bitchy about it... I am not surprised this dude is from Chilliwack, LOL. I an glad most Canadians are not this ridiculous. 

    I was proud to be Canadian. No...
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/gord-larson-first-person-1.7563659

    I'm glad he left BC.

    It also drives me crazy when the MAGA Albertan's talk like their the west.  No your in the middle.  You're landlocked.  BC is the West and I'm pretty sure were happy to be in Canada.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,545
    PJ_Soul said:
    :rofl: To be really bitchy about it... I am not surprised this dude is from Chilliwack, LOL. I an glad most Canadians are not this ridiculous. 

    I was proud to be Canadian. No...
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/gord-larson-first-person-1.7563659
    just reads like a teenage whinefest. 
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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,013
    edited July 16
    Hopefully these partisan children don’t screw over any more people with disabilities, but I suspect they just don’t care. Doesn’t really read like they’re interested in talking, only imposing their preferred system on the rest of us.

    Trudeau breaks a promise and they target Conservatives, makes sense…not!

    https://torontosun.com/news/national/longest-ballot-committee-strikes-back-at-poilievres-criticism

    Edit: A refresher from our last election.

    https://ottawacitizen.com/news/long-ballot-lines-carleton-accessibility
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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,013
    And this is basically what I meant by the government we deserve. I suppose when the Conservatives take over from the Liberals criticism in this thread will shift to the Government instead of the Opposition, makes sense…not! (It’s not just the Liberals that get to quote Mike Myers, sorry.)

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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,013
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,013
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,013
    The only thing this group is likely to accomplish is a tightening of the candidacy rules, making it harder for individual citizens to participate as legitimate independent candidates.

    Where is the direct line between flooding a ballot with joke candidates and setting up a citizens group to oversee election reform (sounds like a manifesto), a promise abandoned by the Liberal Party (making one scratch their head as to why they’re seemingly targeting Conservatives now)?

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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,013
    One does have to wonder why the change in policy wasn’t clearly stated in the Liberal election platform. Maybe they didn’t want to alienate Jewish voters before the election?

    And will Parliament support this policy? I suppose maybe we’ll find out in September if the Liberal minority government is going to again disregard the will of Parliament, like they did with the green slush fund that we’ll probably never get a proper accounting for.

    Elbows up!(?)

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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,013
    This column was quite informative and interesting, and I’m not sure of the answer to the question the headline asks.

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/canada-fought-for-quebec-would-it-do-the-same-for-alberta?itm_source=index
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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,013
    One of the comments accompanying this column makes the very good point that the vast majority of the candidates have zero ties to the riding (but neither does Poilievre I hear the chorus sing), perhaps the answer is to only allow candidates that have some clear link to the riding.

    As someone else points out, signing multiple nomination forms borders on fraud, since the signature implies one would vote for that specific candidate.

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/michael-taube-the-longest-ballot-committee-is-annoying-but-that-doesnt-mean-its-undemocratic?itm_source=index
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  • erebus
    erebus Posts: 617
    "As someone else points out, signing multiple nomination forms borders on fraud, since the signature implies one would vote for that specific candidate."

    Not necessarily true.  I have heard rumors of opposing parties getting memberships in their rivals parties to influence/vote for a weaker leadership candidate. 
    Again, I have no first hand proof of this, only hearsay.
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  • erebus
    erebus Posts: 617
    And I agree,  any candidate should have to live in the riding they represent.  I would go on to say that a candidate should have had to live in the riding for a set amount of time. Not sure how long, 1 year, 5 years? But it would prevent parachuting candidates in

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  • Parksy
    Parksy Posts: 1,852
    @Darth...  Pierre Polievre called this longest ballot thing a 'scam' ... are you able to explain how? Legit curious. 
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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,013
    Parksy said:
    @Darth...  Pierre Polievre called this longest ballot thing a 'scam' ... are you able to explain how? Legit curious. 
    I wouldn’t call it a scam myself, but it does border on making a mockery of the rules, to say nothing of their misplaced targeting of Poilievre. The CPC has never to my knowledge pledged that an election would be our last under the FPTP model.

    If you could provide a complete quote then the full context might make his meaning clearer.
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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,013
    erebus said:
    "As someone else points out, signing multiple nomination forms borders on fraud, since the signature implies one would vote for that specific candidate."

    Not necessarily true.  I have heard rumors of opposing parties getting memberships in their rivals parties to influence/vote for a weaker leadership candidate. 
    Again, I have no first hand proof of this, only hearsay.
    Under the current rules I agree that clearly the implication isn’t there, which lays the foundation for the possible abuses you mention.

    I suppose I would agree with changing the rules to allow a voter to sign only one nomination, which would lend the impression that one has shown their vote in a sense. Behind the ballot screen they’re allowed to X any box they choose (or in Monday’s byelection write in their choice, lol), obviously.
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  • Parksy
    Parksy Posts: 1,852
    Parksy said:
    @Darth...  Pierre Polievre called this longest ballot thing a 'scam' ... are you able to explain how? Legit curious. 
    I wouldn’t call it a scam myself, but it does border on making a mockery of the rules, to say nothing of their misplaced targeting of Poilievre. The CPC has never to my knowledge pledged that an election would be our last under the FPTP model.

    If you could provide a complete quote then the full context might make his meaning clearer.
    It was apparently in a letter he wrote to Steve MacKinnon.  I'm trying to find the actual letter... thus far it's being reported only in quotes. 

    I tried to find it on his social media as well but could not.  First time I've been down that rabbit hole in a while and I noticed he hasn't changed one bit.  Good luck in the next election, Conservatives. 
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  • erebus
    erebus Posts: 617
    In general terms it makes me laugh when a politician or party whine about an issue that is not fair to them.  The Conservatives were in power for a long time (with majorities) and could have fixed or changed legislation on a variety of issues but did not. Then they go on to blame the opposing party for not doing anything.   Liberals do the same thing.

    Politicking sucks 
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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,013
    Parksy said:
    Parksy said:
    @Darth...  Pierre Polievre called this longest ballot thing a 'scam' ... are you able to explain how? Legit curious. 
    I wouldn’t call it a scam myself, but it does border on making a mockery of the rules, to say nothing of their misplaced targeting of Poilievre. The CPC has never to my knowledge pledged that an election would be our last under the FPTP model.

    If you could provide a complete quote then the full context might make his meaning clearer.
    It was apparently in a letter he wrote to Steve MacKinnon.  I'm trying to find the actual letter... thus far it's being reported only in quotes. 

    I tried to find it on his social media as well but could not.  First time I've been down that rabbit hole in a while and I noticed he hasn't changed one bit.  Good luck in the next election, Conservatives. 
    The closest I could get was that in the letter (and in press conferences I believe) he referred to the group as the “longest ballot scam”. Given the analysis in the column I posted and the group’s clearly negligible effect on the outcome they aren’t coming anywhere close to accomplishing their goals, their tactics are highly questionable and it’s been proven that they actually interfere with the smooth functioning of our voting process.

    And yet I don’t want to live in a system where it’s no longer feasible for the average individual citizen to throw their hat into the ring. A single nomination signature seems a reasonable place to start though.
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