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  • Halifax2TheMax
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,580
    mace1229 said:
    You think insurrectionists should be treated the same as common thugs? Hard disagree. They should be prosecuted to the extent of the law, which would be damage to property. J6ers tried to overthrow the government FFS
    You throw bricks and Molotov cocktails at cops, burn police cars, that should have severe consequences too.
    January 6th gets Seditious Conspiracy charges. Not the same:

    ‘If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.’
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    mace1229 said:
    You think insurrectionists should be treated the same as common thugs? Hard disagree. They should be prosecuted to the extent of the law, which would be damage to property. J6ers tried to overthrow the government FFS
    You throw bricks and Molotov cocktails at cops, burn police cars, that should have severe consequences too.
    It should, but the offences aren’t “equal”. In some cases, they might be worse.  Not sure why you think J6 and LA should be treated the same when they aren’t. 
    I said they should face similar consequences, maybe not the same charges.
    It’s much more than just property damage violations in some cases. It’s not just vandalism. Arson is a serious crime. You set fire to a building or a police car you get arson. Every brick you threw at a cop is an assault with a deadly weapon. Every Molotov cocktail you threw is an attempt of murder.
    But with all the riots we’ve seen over the last few years, how many actually get charged for things like that? A fairly small number compared to the number of offenders.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,580
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    You think insurrectionists should be treated the same as common thugs? Hard disagree. They should be prosecuted to the extent of the law, which would be damage to property. J6ers tried to overthrow the government FFS
    You throw bricks and Molotov cocktails at cops, burn police cars, that should have severe consequences too.
    It should, but the offences aren’t “equal”. In some cases, they might be worse.  Not sure why you think J6 and LA should be treated the same when they aren’t. 
    I said they should face similar consequences, maybe not the same charges.
    It’s much more than just property damage violations in some cases. It’s not just vandalism. Arson is a serious crime. You set fire to a building or a police car you get arson. Every brick you threw at a cop is an assault with a deadly weapon. Every Molotov cocktail you threw is an attempt of murder.
    But with all the riots we’ve seen over the last few years, how many actually get charged for things like that? A fairly small number compared to the number of offenders.
    Because convincing evidence is required, so there will always be fewer charged than the number who committed crimes. That’s how it’s designed. 
  • DE4173
    DE4173 Posts: 2,929
    edited June 12
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,476
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
    mickeyrat said:
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?

    do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to  as required? 
    Where did I say any of this?  Reaching aren't we?

    So i ask again.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,476
    DE4173 said:
    There are idiots everywhere.  Watch KKK interviews if you want some humor on morons.
  • DE4173
    DE4173 Posts: 2,929
    KKK?



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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,813
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
    mickeyrat said:
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?

    do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to  as required? 
    Where did I say any of this?  Reaching aren't we?

    So i ask again.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    Have you not read any of the reports that people are being deported without due process, in violation of the 14th amendment?

  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,813
    edited June 12
    They aren't just reports either, it's happening... people are being deported without due process, in violation of the 14th Amendment. 

    It's wild how little people suddenly care about the Constitution. 
    Post edited by Merkin Baller on
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,372
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
    mickeyrat said:
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?

    do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to  as required? 
    Where did I say any of this?  Reaching aren't we?

    So i ask again.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    And I’ll say it again, the way Obama and Brandon did it. The individual in the video I posted is a US citizen. You made some dumb comparison to Sheriff Joe Arpao.

    No wonder this country is where it’s at.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,372
    Get woke, yo.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deportations-deporter-chief-or-not

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record

    No massive raids by masked ICE agents. No related riots. No national guard and no marines. No violations of law or the constitution that I’m aware of. For fucks sake. But I guess the “Dreamers” had y’all quaking in your shoes and hiding under the bed?
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,476
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
    mickeyrat said:
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?

    do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to  as required? 
    Where did I say any of this?  Reaching aren't we?

    So i ask again.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    And I’ll say it again, the way Obama and Brandon did it. The individual in the video I posted is a US citizen. You made some dumb comparison to Sheriff Joe Arpao.

    No wonder this country is where it’s at.
    Yeah we are where we are at because reading comprehension is gone and tunnel vision is in full effect.... I brought up Sherriff joe as an example of what is happening now. That's the parallel.  Sorry if you missed that and thought it was dumb.  I'll clarify it better for you, they ended up paying millions in lawsuits because of what Joe did.  He even went to prison for it.  So that was dumb of me to bring up that as a comparison?
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,476
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
    mickeyrat said:
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?

    do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to  as required? 
    Where did I say any of this?  Reaching aren't we?

    So i ask again.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    Have you not read any of the reports that people are being deported without due process, in violation of the 14th amendment?

    Yes I understand.  They used the Alien Enemies Act to bypass that.  Not sure if that is the right way to go about it but they are using it.  It is something that should be changed in the future. Doubt it will though.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,813
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
    mickeyrat said:
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?

    do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to  as required? 
    Where did I say any of this?  Reaching aren't we?

    So i ask again.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    Have you not read any of the reports that people are being deported without due process, in violation of the 14th amendment?

    Yes I understand.  They used the Alien Enemies Act to bypass that.  Not sure if that is the right way to go about it but they are using it.  It is something that should be changed in the future. Doubt it will though.
    Judges have ruled against them, and they’ve been defying them. Even Antonin Scalia supports due process for immigrants. 

    I’m more than a little surprised at the ambivalence towards the trump admin violating the constitution here… You’re a big 1A & 2A guy as I recall. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,476
    Get woke, yo.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deportations-deporter-chief-or-not

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record

    No massive raids by masked ICE agents. No related riots. No national guard and no marines. No violations of law or the constitution that I’m aware of. For fucks sake. But I guess the “Dreamers” had y’all quaking in your shoes and hiding under the bed?
    Get woke indeed!
    Carefully calibrated revisions to Department of Homeland Security (DHS) immigration enforcement priorities and practices achieved two goals: Increasing penalties against unauthorized border crossers by putting far larger shares into formal removal proceedings rather than voluntarily returning them across the border, as had been longstanding practice; and making noncitizens with criminal records the top enforcement target. While there were fewer removals and returns under the Obama administration than each of the two prior administrations (see Table 1), those declines must be understood against the backdrop of a significant reduction in border apprehensions that resulted from a sharp decrease in unauthorized inflows, in particular of Mexicans. Analysts have attributed this trend, which began under the Bush administration, to improved economic conditions in Mexico, reduced postrecession job demand in the United States, ramped-up enforcement, and the increased use of different enforcement tactics at the border.

    So now we have had record crossings during Bidens admin.  They slowed down w Trump becasue of I believe we are, the USA, helping get companies and jobs in those countries which was instituted by the Biden admin,  Someone posted a good article on that.
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,679
    They actually started slowing last year significantly vs 23/22. But it didn’t fit the narrative of negligence. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,372
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
    mickeyrat said:
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?

    do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to  as required? 
    Where did I say any of this?  Reaching aren't we?

    So i ask again.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    And I’ll say it again, the way Obama and Brandon did it. The individual in the video I posted is a US citizen. You made some dumb comparison to Sheriff Joe Arpao.

    No wonder this country is where it’s at.
    Yeah we are where we are at because reading comprehension is gone and tunnel vision is in full effect.... I brought up Sherriff joe as an example of what is happening now. That's the parallel.  Sorry if you missed that and thought it was dumb.  I'll clarify it better for you, they ended up paying millions in lawsuits because of what Joe did.  He even went to prison for it.  So that was dumb of me to bring up that as a comparison?
    If you’re comparing a rogue sheriff versus a rogue POTUS, no. Sheriff Joe had way more violations of law that were detrimental and I believe was sued for, back when we had a functioning DOJ. It was also contained to Arizona and specifically Maricopa County. The shit COOTWH and Herr Miller applies every where in ‘Murikkka and the threats apply to everyone. And like J6 convicts he was pardoned by COOTWH. The shit happening in LA and in cities and places across the country IS DIFFERENT than anything experienced in our lifetimes. The parallel would be the internment of Japanese citizens during WWII. Also done by EO.

    I don’t expect COOTWH to pay millions or anyone in his administration to go to jail for what they’re doing and going to do. It’s too late.

    Stop trying to minimize what is happening  with false comparisons.

    And I’ll point out again regarding enforcement of immigration LAW, like Obama and Brandon did it.
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    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
    mickeyrat said:
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?

    do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to  as required? 
    Where did I say any of this?  Reaching aren't we?

    So i ask again.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    And I’ll say it again, the way Obama and Brandon did it. The individual in the video I posted is a US citizen. You made some dumb comparison to Sheriff Joe Arpao.

    No wonder this country is where it’s at.
    Yeah we are where we are at because reading comprehension is gone and tunnel vision is in full effect.... I brought up Sherriff joe as an example of what is happening now. That's the parallel.  Sorry if you missed that and thought it was dumb.  I'll clarify it better for you, they ended up paying millions in lawsuits because of what Joe did.  He even went to prison for it.  So that was dumb of me to bring up that as a comparison?
    If you’re comparing a rogue sheriff versus a rogue POTUS, no. Sheriff Joe had way more violations of law that were detrimental and I believe was sued for, back when we had a functioning DOJ. It was also contained to Arizona and specifically Maricopa County. The shit COOTWH and Herr Miller applies every where in ‘Murikkka and the threats apply to everyone. And like J6 convicts he was pardoned by COOTWH. The shit happening in LA and in cities and places across the country IS DIFFERENT than anything experienced in our lifetimes. The parallel would be the internment of Japanese citizens during WWII. Also done by EO.

    I don’t expect COOTWH to pay millions or anyone in his administration to go to jail for what they’re doing and going to do. It’s too late.

    Stop trying to minimize what is happening  with false comparisons.

    And I’ll point out again regarding enforcement of immigration LAW, like Obama and Brandon did it.
    I see

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