Keeping Men out of Women's Sports

18910111214»

Comments

  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,663
    mace1229 said:
    Why is the government in a better position to manage it than the agency/association that controls the sport? We also know the legislation written by republicans is poorly done. 
    Because society has always needed guidelines to follow. Why did the government have to make it illegal to smoke on a an airplane before people stopped?
    Those is charge of youth sports aren't usually specialists in child development or doctors making these decisions. 
    Transgendered women have been playing against other women for decades, so it only became this massive thing when republicans decided to make it a culture war issue and found another group to demonize and scapegoat. Also, republican politicians aren’t doctors or child development specialists. They can’t even decide how to define a biological female. 
    I don't disagree with that but I also don't think many people were aware that was happening.

    I certainly wasn't aware.

    And again...I have no problem with people existing how they want but I don't think it's fair to have biological men in women's sports and vice versa.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,153
    mace1229 said:
    Why is the government in a better position to manage it than the agency/association that controls the sport? We also know the legislation written by republicans is poorly done. 
    Because society has always needed guidelines to follow. Why did the government have to make it illegal to smoke on a an airplane before people stopped?
    Those is charge of youth sports aren't usually specialists in child development or doctors making these decisions. 
    Transgendered women have been playing against other women for decades, so it only became this massive thing when republicans decided to make it a culture war issue and found another group to demonize and scapegoat. Also, republican politicians aren’t doctors or child development specialists. They can’t even decide how to define a biological female. 
    I don't disagree with that but I also don't think many people were aware that was happening.

    I certainly wasn't aware.

    And again...I have no problem with people existing how they want but I don't think it's fair to have biological men in women's sports and vice versa.
    I know everyone hates the devils advocate ir a slippery slope argument, but here goes: 

    I may have mentioned this earlier in the thread, I’m not sure, but what is then done about bio females that are double the size of the other players? Even bigger and stronger than the boys? Do you ban them as well? 

    As gobeavers pointed out, we’ve all simply been baited into discussing these largely non-issue problems by culture war republicans. It should be case by case, at the micro level. Not legislated. 

    I do, however, feel terrible for any child that gets injured. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,377
    mace1229 said:
    Why is the government in a better position to manage it than the agency/association that controls the sport? We also know the legislation written by republicans is poorly done. 
    Because society has always needed guidelines to follow. Why did the government have to make it illegal to smoke on a an airplane before people stopped?
    Those is charge of youth sports aren't usually specialists in child development or doctors making these decisions. 
    Transgendered women have been playing against other women for decades, so it only became this massive thing when republicans decided to make it a culture war issue and found another group to demonize and scapegoat. Also, republican politicians aren’t doctors or child development specialists. They can’t even decide how to define a biological female. 
    I don't disagree with that but I also don't think many people were aware that was happening.

    I certainly wasn't aware.

    And again...I have no problem with people existing how they want but I don't think it's fair to have biological men in women's sports and vice versa.
    I know everyone hates the devils advocate ir a slippery slope argument, but here goes: 

    I may have mentioned this earlier in the thread, I’m not sure, but what is then done about bio females that are double the size of the other players? Even bigger and stronger than the boys? Do you ban them as well? 

    As gobeavers pointed out, we’ve all simply been baited into discussing these largely non-issue problems by culture war republicans. It should be case by case, at the micro level. Not legislated

    I do, however, feel terrible for any child that gets injured. 
    Agreed. 
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,697
    mace1229 said:
    Why is the government in a better position to manage it than the agency/association that controls the sport? We also know the legislation written by republicans is poorly done. 
    Because society has always needed guidelines to follow. Why did the government have to make it illegal to smoke on a an airplane before people stopped?
    Those is charge of youth sports aren't usually specialists in child development or doctors making these decisions. 
    Transgendered women have been playing against other women for decades, so it only became this massive thing when republicans decided to make it a culture war issue and found another group to demonize and scapegoat. Also, republican politicians aren’t doctors or child development specialists. They can’t even decide how to define a biological female. 
    People were enslaved for centuries. Doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. The past is not an argument for what is right in the present. 
    True, they aren't. But without them making laws, there's biological males in female sports. And common sense states that creates an unfair advantage, and in some cases, safety risks. You wouldn't put a 16 year old up against 10 year olds in little league baseball for the exact same reason.
    You wouldn't think it has to be said, but it does. And maybe its happened before, but people are more aware of it now and it seems that more biological females are are losing and leading to more publicity. 
    I just googled "how many males won in female sports"  I havant had time to read every incident mentioned, but the few names I've googled seem to be a real story. 

    578+ Male* Victories in Female Sports: A Nine-Month Tally

    https://womenssportspolicy.org/253-male-victories-in-female-sports/


  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,663
    Great idea for Newsom to have Kirk on his podcast. Definitely the way to go with the younger conservatives.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,535
    Yes! On my to-do list to listen.
    1993: 11/22 Little Rock
    1996; 9/28 New York
    1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
    1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
    2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,430
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Why is the government in a better position to manage it than the agency/association that controls the sport? We also know the legislation written by republicans is poorly done. 
    Because society has always needed guidelines to follow. Why did the government have to make it illegal to smoke on a an airplane before people stopped?
    Those is charge of youth sports aren't usually specialists in child development or doctors making these decisions. 
    Transgendered women have been playing against other women for decades, so it only became this massive thing when republicans decided to make it a culture war issue and found another group to demonize and scapegoat. Also, republican politicians aren’t doctors or child development specialists. They can’t even decide how to define a biological female. 
    People were enslaved for centuries. Doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. The past is not an argument for what is right in the present. 
    True, they aren't. But without them making laws, there's biological males in female sports. And common sense states that creates an unfair advantage, and in some cases, safety risks. You wouldn't put a 16 year old up against 10 year olds in little league baseball for the exact same reason.
    You wouldn't think it has to be said, but it does. And maybe its happened before, but people are more aware of it now and it seems that more biological females are are losing and leading to more publicity. 
    I just googled "how many males won in female sports"  I havant had time to read every incident mentioned, but the few names I've googled seem to be a real story. 

    578+ Male* Victories in Female Sports: A Nine-Month Tally

    https://womenssportspolicy.org/253-male-victories-in-female-sports/


    Poor comparison, but my historical reference had to do with republicans making this an issue back around 2015 and not a right vs wrong thing. My personal observation is that I’m seeing more references to calling transgendered women, men. This is unfortunate because the goal of republicans is to legislate them out of existence, despite the fact that they’ve always existed. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,490
    no real answers given here but does raise valid points.

    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    edited May 7
    Parksy said:
    Spunkie said:
    ✓ well done parksy. When our team board members get back to me you think I should just roll with whatever they're feeling or press the matter?
    totally up to your comfort level... I would press the matter.  

    I think a lot of organizations are making decisions without logic and rationale. Your situation is interestingly unique as it relates to health and safety.   Ask them these questions:

    1. Why do weight classes exist in combat sports?
    2. Why do men not fight women in combat sports? 
    3. Is there any case law in the land that suggests a penalty for an assault would be greater if an assault were committed against a heavy male versus a light female?  Or even just simply male vs female. (the answer is yes.) 

    When they admit the obvious answer... they may come to the natural conclusion that yes there is a chance they are putting people at risk. And then, they must accept that risk, or start getting players to sign waivers which would cause one heck of a shit storm. 

    I think a handful of folks here have suggested this.... generally speaking... one person's freedom cannot infringe on another persons especially as it relates to safety.    (that logic has yet to apply in America with their gun laws) 
    I decided to press the matter before the statue of limitation is up.

    We have a year in BC to allege discrimination (her "sex" being the protected characteristic) and bring forward human right complaints.

    Pipsqeak's doctor told her to give the sport up immediately after this head injury, which she did. Maybe she'll be awarded financial compensation for her injury, time, energy, and money that it took to train for and compete for years? Maybe BC Soccer will be ordered to change the rules? Maybe her complaint won't even move forward within the BC Human Rights Act tribunal jurisdiction? I'll follow up in 5 years or so, once bureaucracy rolls its wheels.
    Post edited by Spunkie on
    I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef 
    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
    Gurgle Gurgle
  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    edited May 7


    "The U.K's highest court issued a ruling two weeks ago that defined a woman for anti-discrimination purposes as someone born biologically female. The head of the Equality and Human Rights Commission said after the ruling that transgender women would be excluded from women's toilets, hospital wards and sports teams."

    I hope that applies to the girls teams, too, which I think is even more contentious since they are children!
    I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef 
    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
    Gurgle Gurgle
  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,355
    edited May 30

    This is so sickening. And infuriating. Why don't Dems care about America's young women anymore?
  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,355

    Boys are competing against and beating girls in track and field, too. Pathetic.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,995
    shecky said:

    Boys are competing against and beating girls in track and field, too. Pathetic.
    The most pressing issue of the day, fer sure.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/29/health/transgender-athletes-advantage-science-explainer
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

    Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.

    Brilliantati©
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,449
    shecky said:

    Boys are competing against and beating girls in track and field, too. Pathetic.
    The most pressing issue of the day, fer sure.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/29/health/transgender-athletes-advantage-science-explainer
    yeah the gobmint should fund a bunch of studies into this.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,355

                  This guy, and those that allowed it, should be ashamed for beating up women. 
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 9,034
    We're taking moral stances about a sport where people just beat the shit out of each other? 

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,490
    edited May 31
    shecky said:

                  This guy, and those that allowed it, should be ashamed for beating up women. 

    do you honestly believe a country ruled based on islamic law is going to have a transperson or lgbtq person represent them  anywhere?

    seriously? 
    Post edited by mickeyrat on
    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,355
    mickeyrat said:
    shecky said:

                  This guy, and those that allowed it, should be ashamed for beating up women. 

    do you honestly believe a country ruled based on islamic law is going to have a transperson or lgbtq person represent them  anywhere?

    seriously? 
    He's not claiming to be "trans" or "lgbtq". He's claiming to be a woman.
    Anyway, take it up with the World Boxing Association - it's their decision.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,995
    shecky said:

                  This guy, and those that allowed it, should be ashamed for beating up women. 
    Good lord, this is who you follow on the socials? Penis reduction surgery, wanting to be “100%” Korean? Gender fluid but now wants to go back to being a male. I’m confused with all the back and forth with this person. Seriously? This person has issues and whatever they end up being, I hope they go through life being happy. Good lord, just STFU and be who you want to be. Oh, and “Internet personality.” Someone take his phone away.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oli_London
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

    Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.

    Brilliantati©
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,449
    shecky said:
    mickeyrat said:
    shecky said:

                  This guy, and those that allowed it, should be ashamed for beating up women. 

    do you honestly believe a country ruled based on islamic law is going to have a transperson or lgbtq person represent them  anywhere?

    seriously? 
    He's not claiming to be "trans" or "lgbtq". He's claiming to be a woman.
    Anyway, take it up with the World Boxing Association - it's their decision.
    you have the issue with it. you take it up with the wba.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 9,034
    edited May 31
    shecky said:
    mickeyrat said:
    shecky said:

                  This guy, and those that allowed it, should be ashamed for beating up women. 

    do you honestly believe a country ruled based on islamic law is going to have a transperson or lgbtq person represent them  anywhere?

    seriously? 
    He's not claiming to be "trans" or "lgbtq". He's claiming to be a woman.
    Anyway, take it up with the World Boxing Association - it's their decision.
    To be clear, she is a woman and bigots are claiming that she is not. She’s not even trans. She’s a CIS woman. 
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 9,059
    shecky said:
    mickeyrat said:
    shecky said:

                  This guy, and those that allowed it, should be ashamed for beating up women. 

    do you honestly believe a country ruled based on islamic law is going to have a transperson or lgbtq person represent them  anywhere?

    seriously? 
    He's not claiming to be "trans" or "lgbtq". He's claiming to be a woman.
    Anyway, take it up with the World Boxing Association - it's their decision.
    To be clear, she is a woman and bigots are claiming that she is not. She’s not even trans. She’s a CIS woman. 
    And it’s an old story at this point. 
Sign In or Register to comment.