#46 President Joe Biden

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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,323
    tbergs said:
    The Atlantic published a story by Mark Leibovich that discusses this whole cover-up angle and how you can't really call a cover-up what was there for all to see. The bigger issue was people lying about how "sharp" he was in meetings and behind closed doors. After Trump's term, I hope we can move past electing feeble old men barely hanging on to their minds, whether they're heartless bastards or creepy grandpa types. 12 years of that shit is way too long.
    Well...we saw that on TV a lot too. He was sharp at times. He was sharp a few weeks ago on live TV.

    He didn't trail off from a speech and start talking about sharks and magnets or how millions of people were dying in Ukraine. Or how Ukraine started a war, etc.
    He was sharp enough in his Howard Stern interview in late April of last year. I missed the debate as I was overseas when it aired, but I was pretty surprised seeing clips of it as compared to how he sounded only a few weeks prior. I'm not saying he didn't have a terrible debate, only that I was quite surprised in the difference between the two. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,640
    tbergs said:
    The Atlantic published a story by Mark Leibovich that discusses this whole cover-up angle and how you can't really call a cover-up what was there for all to see. The bigger issue was people lying about how "sharp" he was in meetings and behind closed doors. After Trump's term, I hope we can move past electing feeble old men barely hanging on to their minds, whether they're heartless bastards or creepy grandpa types. 12 years of that shit is way too long.
    Well...we saw that on TV a lot too. He was sharp at times. He was sharp a few weeks ago on live TV.

    He didn't trail off from a speech and start talking about sharks and magnets or how millions of people were dying in Ukraine. Or how Ukraine started a war, etc.
    He was sharp enough in his Howard Stern interview in late April of last year. I missed the debate as I was overseas when it aired, but I was pretty surprised seeing clips of it as compared to how he sounded only a few weeks prior. I'm not saying he didn't have a terrible debate, only that I was quite surprised in the difference between the two. 
    yeah and I agree the debate was awful....but only part of his responses were awful, his open mouthed gawking was probably the worst part
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,279
    tbergs said:
    The Atlantic published a story by Mark Leibovich that discusses this whole cover-up angle and how you can't really call a cover-up what was there for all to see. The bigger issue was people lying about how "sharp" he was in meetings and behind closed doors. After Trump's term, I hope we can move past electing feeble old men barely hanging on to their minds, whether they're heartless bastards or creepy grandpa types. 12 years of that shit is way too long.
    Well...we saw that on TV a lot too. He was sharp at times. He was sharp a few weeks ago on live TV.

    He didn't trail off from a speech and start talking about sharks and magnets or how millions of people were dying in Ukraine. Or how Ukraine started a war, etc.
    He was sharp enough in his Howard Stern interview in late April of last year. I missed the debate as I was overseas when it aired, but I was pretty surprised seeing clips of it as compared to how he sounded only a few weeks prior. I'm not saying he didn't have a terrible debate, only that I was quite surprised in the difference between the two. 
    yeah and I agree the debate was awful....but only part of his responses were awful, his open mouthed gawking was probably the worst part
    Best debate moments the past few elections: Mike Pence fly, Joe Biden mouth agape waiting for a fly, Donald Trump they're eating the cats and dogs, JD Vance you said you weren't going to fact check or Tim Waltz friends with school shooters?
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,327
    Pretty sure cruz managed to eat a booger without missing a step. Impressive 
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,279
    FiveBelow said:
    Pretty sure cruz managed to eat a booger without missing a step. Impressive 
    I forgot about that one :lol:
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,640

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,093
    edited May 21
    Not interested in this at all at this point.
    Not interested in what?  Understanding that Joe Biden was in severe decline and people tried to hide it despite him being unfit to be president?   Seems pretty important...and I will say it seemed obvious to anyone that wasn't a Dem lemming.
    I'm not a Dem lemming (or maybe I am?) and I think it's bullshit.

    My dad has early dementia and Joe Biden is no where near that. Biden is still able to give speeches (he just did a week ago) and yes, he's old, he stutters, he loses his thoughts, etc., but "severe decline" is a stretch.


    no lemming here. Agree. He still speaks with more conviction and knowledge than Trump ever has. 
    Ah here we go again….back to Trump.

    i also didn’t and do not think Trump is fit to be president.  He’s mentally unstable in a different way. But the Biden issue was clear for anyone to see that cared to. 
    that was just an add on, to highlight the fact that more people think biden is in worse condition than trump. both have been president. 

    forget the trump comparison. I still believe biden was fine. and these generalized statements of "fact" that "you'd see if you cared to" or "only those not in the dem cult could see it" are ridiculous. I pride myself on being a pretty objective person. He had some trouble in the debate, no doubt about it. But I've seen interviews with him several times since then. He can still talk policy circles around most. 
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    edited May 21
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,640
    Not interested in this at all at this point.
    Not interested in what?  Understanding that Joe Biden was in severe decline and people tried to hide it despite him being unfit to be president?   Seems pretty important...and I will say it seemed obvious to anyone that wasn't a Dem lemming.
    I'm not a Dem lemming (or maybe I am?) and I think it's bullshit.

    My dad has early dementia and Joe Biden is no where near that. Biden is still able to give speeches (he just did a week ago) and yes, he's old, he stutters, he loses his thoughts, etc., but "severe decline" is a stretch.


    no lemming here. Agree. He still speaks with more conviction and knowledge than Trump ever has. 
    Ah here we go again….back to Trump.

    i also didn’t and do not think Trump is fit to be president.  He’s mentally unstable in a different way. But the Biden issue was clear for anyone to see that cared to. 
    that was just an add on, to highlight the fact that more people think biden is in worse condition than trump. both have been president. 

    forget the trump comparison. I still believe biden was fine. and these generalized statements of "fact" that "you'd see if you cared to" or "only those not in the dem cult could see it" are ridiculous. I pride myself on being a pretty objective person. He had some trouble in the debate, no doubt about it. But I've seen interviews with him several times since then. He can still talk policy circles around most. 
    Couldn't agree more. And again, I wish Biden would have bowed out gracefully in 2023 and cleared the way for a true primary.


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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,895
    edited May 21
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    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,093
    edited May 21
    did he have a teleprompter or at the very least heavily rehearsed? likely. But this was the day after. And his unscripted moments were clear and concise. If someone is really in the kind of decline people here keep trying to convince themselves he was in, he wouldn't have been able to pull this off either:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5CVZHAjrW8

    cime of the century? haha. you people are just looking for a scapegoat of why trump's in the white house. 
    Post edited by HughFreakingDillon on
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,373
    tbergs said:
    The Atlantic published a story by Mark Leibovich that discusses this whole cover-up angle and how you can't really call a cover-up what was there for all to see. The bigger issue was people lying about how "sharp" he was in meetings and behind closed doors. After Trump's term, I hope we can move past electing feeble old men barely hanging on to their minds, whether they're heartless bastards or creepy grandpa types. 12 years of that shit is way too long.


    People who think this need to watch the debate again. Every painful minute. No one expected that, because they hid his condition. He never had performed that bad before in any public appearance 

    Read the articles. They are saying Biden didn’t recognize people he knew for decades. Had that come out around new years 2024, we’d have had primaries. 

    None expect a debate performance like that. Even trump looked stunned how bad Biden was. 
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,373
    tbergs said:
    The Atlantic published a story by Mark Leibovich that discusses this whole cover-up angle and how you can't really call a cover-up what was there for all to see. The bigger issue was people lying about how "sharp" he was in meetings and behind closed doors. After Trump's term, I hope we can move past electing feeble old men barely hanging on to their minds, whether they're heartless bastards or creepy grandpa types. 12 years of that shit is way too long.
    Well...we saw that on TV a lot too. He was sharp at times. He was sharp a few weeks ago on live TV.

    He didn't trail off from a speech and start talking about sharks and magnets or how millions of people were dying in Ukraine. Or how Ukraine started a war, etc.

    Dementia is not a linear affliction. You could be horrible for a month, then great, then horrible again. Biden didn’t recognize people he knew for decades, in early 2024.

    The sources defending the Biden team are “anonymous“ , lol. they were dishonest with us, and someone deserves to pay for this deception, instead they’ll keep their jobs making decisions for the various democratic campaign committees.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,373
    did he have a teleprompter or at the very least heavily rehearsed? likely. But this was the day after. And his unscripted moments were clear and concise. If someone is really in the kind of decline people here keep trying to convince themselves he was in, he wouldn't have been able to pull this off either:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5CVZHAjrW8

    cime of the century? haha. you people are just looking for a scapegoat of why trump's in the white house. 
    AI response…


    …dementia symptoms can become more pronounced under stress. Stress can worsen dementia symptoms, especially those affecting attention, planning, and decision-making. This is likely due to the release of cortisol and other stress hormones, which can negatively impact memory and brain regions crucial for cognitive function. 

  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,460
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,279
    edited May 21
    tbergs said:
    The Atlantic published a story by Mark Leibovich that discusses this whole cover-up angle and how you can't really call a cover-up what was there for all to see. The bigger issue was people lying about how "sharp" he was in meetings and behind closed doors. After Trump's term, I hope we can move past electing feeble old men barely hanging on to their minds, whether they're heartless bastards or creepy grandpa types. 12 years of that shit is way too long.


    People who think this need to watch the debate again. Every painful minute. No one expected that, because they hid his condition. He never had performed that bad before in any public appearance 

    Read the articles. They are saying Biden didn’t recognize people he knew for decades. Had that come out around new years 2024, we’d have had primaries. 

    None expect a debate performance like that. Even trump looked stunned how bad Biden was. 
    I seriously don't think anyone knew what happened during the debate could happen or they never would have done the debate. It just made it painfully obvious how bad his bad days could be. Go back to the state of the union and you don't see it. I remember wondering how old and out of it will he look and then he seemed pretty good, but his public appearances were always limited so you knew the job was too much for him at that point. Again, I don't think there was a cover-up. Biden had the knowledge and capability, but the strenuous nature of the presidency limited him to being effective less than what any of us want for a president.

    It's still crazy to me that for some incoherent feeble old guys shouldn't be president, but crazy incoherent old guys who spew nonsense should be. Bonkers.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,916
    tbergs said:
    tbergs said:
    The Atlantic published a story by Mark Leibovich that discusses this whole cover-up angle and how you can't really call a cover-up what was there for all to see. The bigger issue was people lying about how "sharp" he was in meetings and behind closed doors. After Trump's term, I hope we can move past electing feeble old men barely hanging on to their minds, whether they're heartless bastards or creepy grandpa types. 12 years of that shit is way too long.


    People who think this need to watch the debate again. Every painful minute. No one expected that, because they hid his condition. He never had performed that bad before in any public appearance 

    Read the articles. They are saying Biden didn’t recognize people he knew for decades. Had that come out around new years 2024, we’d have had primaries. 

    None expect a debate performance like that. Even trump looked stunned how bad Biden was. 
    I seriously don't think anyone knew what happened during the debate could happen or they never would have done the debate. It just made it painfully obvious how bad his bad days could be. Go back to the state of the union and you don't see it. I remember wondering how old and out of it will he look and then he seemed pretty good, but his public appearances were always limited so you knew the job was too much for him at that point. Again, I don't think there was a cover-up. Biden had the knowledge and capability, but the strenuous nature of the presidency limited him to being effective less than what any of us want for a president.

    It's still crazy to me that for some incoherent feeble old guys shouldn't be president, but crazy incoherent old guys who spew nonsense should be. Bonkers.
    Particularly given you had an accomplished, young candidate who would have governed for all without the bonkers. But you know, “the other.”
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  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,460
    edited May 21
    Race and sexism played a part in her defeat. There was also the inability to separate from President Biden’s unpopularity, economic concerns and inflation, weak connection with key demographics, short campaign timeline, strategic missteps and messaging, cultural and ideological disconnect, loss of swing states and Trump's effective campaign.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,279
    DE4173 said:
    Race and sexism played a part in her defeat. There was also the inability to separate from President Biden’s unpopularity, economic concerns and inflation, weak connection with key demographics, short campaign timeline, strategic missteps and messaging, cultural and ideological disconnect, loss of swing states and Trump's effective campaign.
    This reads like AI.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,460
    We'll go with "the other" then.
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    Insane, lazy, clueless, boorish white male sexual predator versus sane, classy, accomplished, educated, intelligent “other.” Stupid won.
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    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
    2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,377
    edited May 21
    Not interested in this at all at this point.
    Not interested in what?  Understanding that Joe Biden was in severe decline and people tried to hide it despite him being unfit to be president?   Seems pretty important...and I will say it seemed obvious to anyone that wasn't a Dem lemming.
    And what do you think the goal is from the right on the issue? 

    Not that you asked me, but I have no idea what the goal on the right might be... All I can figure is that this scandal (and it is a legit scandal) definitely makes it so the right would have a harder time hiding any medical/cognitive issues with Trump, which is a good thing. 
    Some of the details of this are pretty shocking and appalling.... I have to assume that Biden's aids etc really just wanted him to speak into the second term and then he would have stepped down and Harris would be President.... Now that I say it, geez, I really wish it had worked, haha.
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  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,460
    edited May 22
    His recent interview on The View was a mixed bag. He did well by himself and had some good responses. Other times he'd get stuck mid-sentence and do his, "well anyway" safety net.

    Dr Biden came out and had to tap in on President Biden's first question while they were together as he hit another roadblock. The other questions, his answers didn't seem to match the question. just went off the campaign script. 

    He took ownership of not getting the messaging out about all of his accomplishments while in office.

    Took some tough questions and hung in there.
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    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
    2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 17,653
    tbergs said:
    tbergs said:
    The Atlantic published a story by Mark Leibovich that discusses this whole cover-up angle and how you can't really call a cover-up what was there for all to see. The bigger issue was people lying about how "sharp" he was in meetings and behind closed doors. After Trump's term, I hope we can move past electing feeble old men barely hanging on to their minds, whether they're heartless bastards or creepy grandpa types. 12 years of that shit is way too long.


    People who think this need to watch the debate again. Every painful minute. No one expected that, because they hid his condition. He never had performed that bad before in any public appearance 

    Read the articles. They are saying Biden didn’t recognize people he knew for decades. Had that come out around new years 2024, we’d have had primaries. 

    None expect a debate performance like that. Even trump looked stunned how bad Biden was. 
    I seriously don't think anyone knew what happened during the debate could happen or they never would have done the debate. It just made it painfully obvious how bad his bad days could be. Go back to the state of the union and you don't see it. I remember wondering how old and out of it will he look and then he seemed pretty good, but his public appearances were always limited so you knew the job was too much for him at that point. Again, I don't think there was a cover-up. Biden had the knowledge and capability, but the strenuous nature of the presidency limited him to being effective less than what any of us want for a president.

    It's still crazy to me that for some incoherent feeble old guys shouldn't be president, but crazy incoherent old guys who spew nonsense should be. Bonkers.
    After the debate if I recall word was, he was good between 10 AM and 4PM but after that got tired or something (forget who stated this). But as I said at the time, POTUIS is not a 6 hour a day job. The last 2+ administrations should be easy arguments for a maximum age to be elected POTUs to go along with the minimum age, but I doubt we ever see that happen. We have 3+ more years of a feeble old man yelling at clouds on his phone from the Oval Office. Maybe after that enough of the populace will catch on and stop voting for geriatric candidates.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,373
    tbergs said:
    tbergs said:
    The Atlantic published a story by Mark Leibovich that discusses this whole cover-up angle and how you can't really call a cover-up what was there for all to see. The bigger issue was people lying about how "sharp" he was in meetings and behind closed doors. After Trump's term, I hope we can move past electing feeble old men barely hanging on to their minds, whether they're heartless bastards or creepy grandpa types. 12 years of that shit is way too long.


    People who think this need to watch the debate again. Every painful minute. No one expected that, because they hid his condition. He never had performed that bad before in any public appearance 

    Read the articles. They are saying Biden didn’t recognize people he knew for decades. Had that come out around new years 2024, we’d have had primaries. 

    None expect a debate performance like that. Even trump looked stunned how bad Biden was. 
    I seriously don't think anyone knew what happened during the debate could happen or they never would have done the debate. It just made it painfully obvious how bad his bad days could be. Go back to the state of the union and you don't see it. I remember wondering how old and out of it will he look and then he seemed pretty good, but his public appearances were always limited so you knew the job was too much for him at that point. Again, I don't think there was a cover-up. Biden had the knowledge and capability, but the strenuous nature of the presidency limited him to being effective less than what any of us want for a president.

    It's still crazy to me that for some incoherent feeble old guys shouldn't be president, but crazy incoherent old guys who spew nonsense should be. Bonkers.
    From that comment there appears to be a misunderstanding of how dementia presents itself vastly differently in different situations. It appears that you haven’t lived it closely with someone else. If that’s true you are very lucky. This seems very common here. Lots of jokes and thinking trumps cognitive problems are comparable. Folks here just don’t understand. From my experience, dealing with dementia with a distant relative and a close one is a million times different. So misunderstanding is common.

    People will do anything to believe what they want, to protect themselves from Truth .That is our right. In addition to Bidens off the rails worst debate performance by any president,  Biden personally knew Clooney for decades and  he didnt recognize him. Clooney said it was so bad he was shaken to his core. So Clooney took two red eye flights within a day to stage a fundraiser for Biden, all to lie about something so obvious we all saw it clearly a few weeks later in that debate?

    But I get it, we’ll interpret that any way we choose. Even if a handler had to in 2023 interrupt  Bidens ramblings to end a press conference and… A September 2023 CNN poll showed that "more than half (56 percent) of Democrats — and nearly three-quarters of Americans (73 percent) said they were seriously concerned for Biden's physical and mental competence". The dude on here that likes dog goalies don’t like wiki quotes, but whatevs, I’m gonna use it. That polls D+17% lean exists here.
  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,460

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    1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,373
    DE4173 said:
    His recent interview on The View was a mixed bag. He did well by himself and had some good responses. Other times he'd get stuck mid-sentence and do his, "well anyway" safety net.

    Dr Biden came out and had to tap in on President Biden's first question while they were together as he hit another roadblock. The other questions, his answers didn't seem to match the question. just went off the campaign script. 

    He took ownership of not getting the messaging out about all of his accomplishments while in office.

    Took some tough questions and hung in there.

    Answering tough questions doesn’t tell us much. Is it something he should have know, that didn’t cause stress? Something he could have been prepared to handle?

    Seeing trump on that debate stage, and the anger and hate involved, triggered stress for Biden, which caused a significant dementia incident. The discussion might be that his handlers protected him to limit these types of environments and incidents ,but it doesn’t mean that he didn’t have significant dementia while president, and it was covered up his last year in office.
  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,460
    He took some tough questions. The answering portion of those tough questions were a whole other thing. The usual "well anyway," something along the lines of "I'll stop due to time" (uh, that's why you're on the show and he left time on the clock in the debate); the usual ripcord on the conversation parachute.

    Of course having Dr. Biden answer for him was yet another clusterfuck, but

     /insert everything's fine gif
    1993: 11/22 Little Rock
    1996; 9/28 New York
    1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
    1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
    2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
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