I know that scarcity drives some of the crazy and they don't want excess inventory piling up in the warehouse, but taking into account these small number of tour dates and the option of getting rid of excess by use of mystery boxes, it appears that they leave a lot of money on the table by not producing more items.
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If only there was a way to guage demand... like a preorder. I would blindly preorder poster, pin and sticker, pay a premium over merch stand prices and pay shipping. 0 risk to T Surt. 0 inventory risk to 10C.
If only there was a way to guage demand... like a preorder. I would blindly preorder poster, pin and sticker, pay a premium over merch stand prices and pay shipping. 0 risk to T Surt. 0 inventory risk to 10C.
then 2009 happened....and they had that option, and people complained. Ran into a warehouse staffer who said the flood of money back requests were crazy.
I have no idea what is real anymore. An active bid on a Florida plate is currently at $260 with the auction still going. WHO IS PAYING THAT FOR A $15 PLATE?!?!
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Questions/Opinions about all of the bootleg material available on Ebay. It's astounding to me how much there is now. Posters, shirts, etc. made to order in various sizes and colors. From the looks of things some of the listings are using the same shirt brand as the official item. Sellers are in Sri Lanka, Morocco, Philippines and so on. So they steal the images, send that to a printer in the USA and then provide the buyers address? At first I was really put off. The band and artist make zero. I guess I'm not exactly clear how copyrights work but it maybe doesn't matter if the seller is abroad. Ebay also doesn't seem to care because they are making $$. On the flip side, if everything is super expensive in the secondary market, is a bootleg that allows you to have a lesser version bad? I'm still not sure about how I feel.....
Just type in GOOGLE or other what shirt you're looking for. Or you can go to the menu on left and scroll through all products but that will take forever
Thanks for the information. I really like the Pittsburgh Warhol shirt but there is no way I am paying over $100 for it.
Questions/Opinions about all of the bootleg material available on Ebay. It's astounding to me how much there is now. Posters, shirts, etc. made to order in various sizes and colors. From the looks of things some of the listings are using the same shirt brand as the official item. Sellers are in Sri Lanka, Morocco, Philippines and so on. So they steal the images, send that to a printer in the USA and then provide the buyers address? At first I was really put off. The band and artist make zero. I guess I'm not exactly clear how copyrights work but it maybe doesn't matter if the seller is abroad. Ebay also doesn't seem to care because they are making $$. On the flip side, if everything is super expensive in the secondary market, is a bootleg that allows you to have a lesser version bad? I'm still not sure about how I feel.....
Just type in GOOGLE or other what shirt you're looking for. Or you can go to the menu on left and scroll through all products but that will take forever
Thank you! That’s the shirt I want. You saved me time 😆 Forget the flippers, Pearl Jam or management obviously doesn’t care about the hoarding going on, so I’ll just buy it here. It’s ridiculous that people can’t get a tshirt at the show that they attended because of this ongoing problem.
I looked at the company information. They said they make custom shirts. So I wonder if they are bootlegging the official shirts. I hope that is not what is happening.
Questions/Opinions about all of the bootleg material available on Ebay. It's astounding to me how much there is now. Posters, shirts, etc. made to order in various sizes and colors. From the looks of things some of the listings are using the same shirt brand as the official item. Sellers are in Sri Lanka, Morocco, Philippines and so on. So they steal the images, send that to a printer in the USA and then provide the buyers address? At first I was really put off. The band and artist make zero. I guess I'm not exactly clear how copyrights work but it maybe doesn't matter if the seller is abroad. Ebay also doesn't seem to care because they are making $$. On the flip side, if everything is super expensive in the secondary market, is a bootleg that allows you to have a lesser version bad? I'm still not sure about how I feel.....
Just type in GOOGLE or other what shirt you're looking for. Or you can go to the menu on left and scroll through all products but that will take forever
Thank you! That’s the shirt I want. You saved me time 😆 Forget the flippers, Pearl Jam or management obviously doesn’t care about the hoarding going on, so I’ll just buy it here. It’s ridiculous that people can’t get a tshirt at the show that they attended because of this ongoing problem.
Yep. I got a shirt from Auckland show that I missed buying over there for half the price. Came pretty quickly. Shirt is a little thicker quality than "real" shirts but I've washed it and no problem.
Kinda funny to see tour merch as the 21st century “bootleg”.
I remember back in the 90s - all these record shops would sell bootleg CDs for like $60 and above (even for an audience recorded show).
It’d be nice if the band took a similar stance now like they did in 2000 on “beat the bootleggers”… when they opted to release shows.
Hard to understand why they don’t setup a preorder window for merch and esp show specific merch.
I get it can help drive demand, but as already noted throughout this thread - it’s nuts to see the second hand prices of stuff.… 🤯🫠
I’m sure there’s more nuance and details behind the idea of preordering - but it’s def head scratching at times.
I have quite a few bootleg records. The thing is, most are not available in any other format. The sound quality is better than anything from the 70's and sometimes it's colored vinyl. I also have a sealed Benny. Zero change I will open it because of the value - the bootleg of that sells for around $100 which makes listening worthwhile.
I’m certainly not saying I wouldn’t be for it, but I’ve got to think 10C would have to hire more employees to work in the warehouse (at least during tour time) if the tour merch was sold online. I know they’ve done it for Jazz Fest, but to do it for a whole tour would have to be a ton more work for Santos and crew.
Not to mention the complaints about shipping prices….” it costs more for shipping than the actual token/sticker/pin, etc…”
Again, I’d love to have this option, I just think the strain on the warehouse crew would be too much with all the merch we love to buy from the shows.
Questions/Opinions about all of the bootleg material available on Ebay. It's astounding to me how much there is now. Posters, shirts, etc. made to order in various sizes and colors. From the looks of things some of the listings are using the same shirt brand as the official item. Sellers are in Sri Lanka, Morocco, Philippines and so on. So they steal the images, send that to a printer in the USA and then provide the buyers address? At first I was really put off. The band and artist make zero. I guess I'm not exactly clear how copyrights work but it maybe doesn't matter if the seller is abroad. Ebay also doesn't seem to care because they are making $$. On the flip side, if everything is super expensive in the secondary market, is a bootleg that allows you to have a lesser version bad? I'm still not sure about how I feel.....
Just type in GOOGLE or other what shirt you're looking for. Or you can go to the menu on left and scroll through all products but that will take forever
Thank you! That’s the shirt I want. You saved me time 😆 Forget the flippers, Pearl Jam or management obviously doesn’t care about the hoarding going on, so I’ll just buy it here. It’s ridiculous that people can’t get a tshirt at the show that they attended because of this ongoing problem.
Yep. I got a shirt from Auckland show that I missed buying over there for half the price. Came pretty quickly. Shirt is a little thicker quality than "real" shirts but I've washed it and no problem.
Thanks a ton. Thicker is better so I don’t mind. Appreciate you 👊🏻
No problem. Just want to help stop the flippers from making $$$ on the poor fans who just want a momento. If someone wants to pay more for a "real" shirt go right ahead. I doubt anyone who saw me N1 in Pittsburgh knew my shirt was not from all the way in NZ. But I don't own any shirts to shows I haven't attended.
Questions/Opinions about all of the bootleg material available on Ebay. It's astounding to me how much there is now. Posters, shirts, etc. made to order in various sizes and colors. From the looks of things some of the listings are using the same shirt brand as the official item. Sellers are in Sri Lanka, Morocco, Philippines and so on. So they steal the images, send that to a printer in the USA and then provide the buyers address? At first I was really put off. The band and artist make zero. I guess I'm not exactly clear how copyrights work but it maybe doesn't matter if the seller is abroad. Ebay also doesn't seem to care because they are making $$. On the flip side, if everything is super expensive in the secondary market, is a bootleg that allows you to have a lesser version bad? I'm still not sure about how I feel.....
Just type in GOOGLE or other what shirt you're looking for. Or you can go to the menu on left and scroll through all products but that will take forever
Thank you! That’s the shirt I want. You saved me time 😆 Forget the flippers, Pearl Jam or management obviously doesn’t care about the hoarding going on, so I’ll just buy it here. It’s ridiculous that people can’t get a tshirt at the show that they attended because of this ongoing problem.
Yep. I got a shirt from Auckland show that I missed buying over there for half the price. Came pretty quickly. Shirt is a little thicker quality than "real" shirts but I've washed it and no problem.
Thanks a ton. Thicker is better so I don’t mind. Appreciate you 👊🏻
No problem. Just want to help stop the flippers from making $$$ on the poor fans who just want a momento. If someone wants to pay more for a "real" shirt go right ahead. I doubt anyone who saw me N1 in Pittsburgh knew my shirt was not from all the way in NZ. But I don't own any shirts to shows I haven't attended.
Well, this has been going on for years so I’m tired of it. I’d rather buy a bootleg shirt than give to the flippers. They are just taking advantage of other fans that want a shirt. It’s ridiculous.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
I'm so pissed. That Pittsburgh N1 tshirt I want so badly (for obvious reasons) is being auctioned on FB. Last I checked bid was 95.
Wow. That is insane. I am usually lucky with shirts. They never seem to run out of smalls at the merch stand. But I couldn’t get a Florida license plate or a Pitt2 token. My friend came through with the token for me. But I still don’t have the plate. I have the other plates. Missing one is fine. I’m not going to go searching for it at this point.
I've bought a few bootleg shirts in the past but its been awhile and I have no idea about any of these. But in my experience they are very cheaply made and some of the images have been ironed on and they stick to everything. The images are often offset and the shirts fit wierd. I know nothing about printing and thought this would be a great alternative but I hardly ever wear them because they are just not the same as the real deal. Do I recommend paying crazy ebay prices no but buyer beware.
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I've bought a few bootleg shirts in the past but its been awhile and I have no idea about any of these. But in my experience they are very cheaply made and some of the images have been ironed on and they stick to everything. The images are often offset and the shirts fit wierd. I know nothing about printing and thought this would be a great alternative but I hardly ever wear them because they are just not the same as the real deal. Do I recommend paying crazy ebay prices no but buyer beware.
Not true about the 2 shirts I bought from womyso site
I've bought a few bootleg shirts in the past but its been awhile and I have no idea about any of these. But in my experience they are very cheaply made and some of the images have been ironed on and they stick to everything. The images are often offset and the shirts fit wierd. I know nothing about printing and thought this would be a great alternative but I hardly ever wear them because they are just not the same as the real deal. Do I recommend paying crazy ebay prices no but buyer beware.
Not true about the 2 shirts I bought from womyso site
The Melbourne shirt seemed to be holding up well. Newbie!
"A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
Questions/Opinions about all of the bootleg material available on Ebay. It's astounding to me how much there is now. Posters, shirts, etc. made to order in various sizes and colors. From the looks of things some of the listings are using the same shirt brand as the official item. Sellers are in Sri Lanka, Morocco, Philippines and so on. So they steal the images, send that to a printer in the USA and then provide the buyers address? At first I was really put off. The band and artist make zero. I guess I'm not exactly clear how copyrights work but it maybe doesn't matter if the seller is abroad. Ebay also doesn't seem to care because they are making $$. On the flip side, if everything is super expensive in the secondary market, is a bootleg that allows you to have a lesser version bad? I'm still not sure about how I feel.....
Yeah man I want my money to go to the band and the artist, but when they leave so much money on the table and I have to go to EBay to buy its frustrating. I want something to put on my wall to remember the show, talk to friends about, and generally be proud to be there. Maybe I’m not a super fan, haven’t been to 100 shows. Just 6. But I have been able to get a poster from every one until Pitt 1. Hell I got APs for 3/6. This time around BK’s site sold out in literally seconds. Refresh refresh…add to cart…Apple Pay…sold out.
I’m rambling but the gist; artists and band, make your money and find a way to sell these amazing pieces of art to the people that want it and put the money in your pocket.
But if I guess I can’t get it anywhere but after market for idiotic prices, maybe it’s time to look bootleg
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I remember back in the 90s - all these record shops would sell bootleg CDs for like $60 and above (even for an audience recorded show).
It’d be nice if the band took a similar stance now like they did in 2000 on “beat the bootleggers”… when they opted to release shows.
Hard to understand why they don’t setup a preorder window for merch and esp show specific merch.
I’m sure there’s more nuance and details behind the idea of preordering - but it’s def head scratching at times.
Again, I’d love to have this option, I just think the strain on the warehouse crew would be too much with all the merch we love to buy from the shows.
Only idiots will pay that unless it's for charity then it's ok
But in my experience they are very cheaply made and some of the images have been ironed on and they stick to everything. The images are often offset and the shirts fit wierd. I know nothing about printing and thought this would be a great alternative but I hardly ever wear them because they are just not the same as the real deal. Do I recommend paying crazy ebay prices no but buyer beware.
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