PLEA TO THE BAND: Change the ticketing process next tour

Eddieredder · April 25

SVRDhand13 said:

Eddieredder said:

SVRDhand13 said:

verceman said:

Allowing transfers would enable the scalping you want them to prevent

How so? Transfers with face value transfers only (for states where that is legal).

There is no $ associated with transfers. "face value transfers" cannot be enforced or facilitated.

I think it would be possible especially with all the convenience fees

there is NO way to associate $ with ticketmaster transfers. Have you never transferred tix before?

I'm 100% with you on your other points. Allowing transfers opens the floodgates to scalping. There is no way to enforce transferring someone a ticket (via transfer) and charging them thousands of dollars via paypal venmo cast etc

SVRDhand13 · May 9

Eddieredder said:

SVRDhand13 said:

Eddieredder said:

SVRDhand13 said:

verceman said:

Allowing transfers would enable the scalping you want them to prevent

How so? Transfers with face value transfers only (for states where that is legal).

There is no $ associated with transfers. "face value transfers" cannot be enforced or facilitated.

I think it would be possible especially with all the convenience fees

there is NO way to associate $ with ticketmaster transfers. Have you never transferred tix before?

I'm 100% with you on your other points. Allowing transfers opens the floodgates to scalping. There is no way to enforce transferring someone a ticket (via transfer) and charging them thousands of dollars via paypal venmo cast etc

Why is there no way to do it? Because they don't want you to have that ability.

gotthebottle · May 9

So many ticket links sent directly to me .. and no one else... and so many lost tickets.
please please please..
Stop this insanity. The fans aren't getting the tickets on F2F and the scalpers ARE

darwinstheory · May 9

Eddieredder said:

SVRDhand13 said:

Eddieredder said:

SVRDhand13 said:

verceman said:

Allowing transfers would enable the scalping you want them to prevent

How so? Transfers with face value transfers only (for states where that is legal).

There is no $ associated with transfers. "face value transfers" cannot be enforced or facilitated.

I think it would be possible especially with all the convenience fees

there is NO way to associate $ with ticketmaster transfers. Have you never transferred tix before?

I'm 100% with you on your other points. Allowing transfers opens the floodgates to scalping. There is no way to enforce transferring someone a ticket (via transfer) and charging them thousands of dollars via paypal venmo cast etc

Friend, those floodgates are WIIIIIDE open!

danofun · May 9

darwinstheory said:

Eddieredder said:

SVRDhand13 said:

Eddieredder said:

SVRDhand13 said:

verceman said:

Allowing transfers would enable the scalping you want them to prevent

How so? Transfers with face value transfers only (for states where that is legal).

There is no $ associated with transfers. "face value transfers" cannot be enforced or facilitated.

I think it would be possible especially with all the convenience fees

there is NO way to associate $ with ticketmaster transfers. Have you never transferred tix before?

I'm 100% with you on your other points. Allowing transfers opens the floodgates to scalping. There is no way to enforce transferring someone a ticket (via transfer) and charging them thousands of dollars via paypal venmo cast etc

Friend, those floodgates are WIIIIIDE open!

There would be zero drops. Zero. Everyone who has scored a post-lottery, face value ticket this tour would not have had that opportunity.

SVRDhand13 · May 9

danofun said:

darwinstheory said:

Eddieredder said:

SVRDhand13 said:

Eddieredder said:

SVRDhand13 said:

verceman said:

Allowing transfers would enable the scalping you want them to prevent

How so? Transfers with face value transfers only (for states where that is legal).

There is no $ associated with transfers. "face value transfers" cannot be enforced or facilitated.

I think it would be possible especially with all the convenience fees

there is NO way to associate $ with ticketmaster transfers. Have you never transferred tix before?

I'm 100% with you on your other points. Allowing transfers opens the floodgates to scalping. There is no way to enforce transferring someone a ticket (via transfer) and charging them thousands of dollars via paypal venmo cast etc

Friend, those floodgates are WIIIIIDE open!

There would be zero drops. Zero. Everyone who has scored a post-lottery, face value ticket this tour would not have had that opportunity.

Prior to COVID I got tix for several shows with no problems

gotthebottle · May 9

SVRDhand13 said:

danofun said:

darwinstheory said:

Eddieredder said:

SVRDhand13 said:

Eddieredder said:

SVRDhand13 said:

verceman said:

Allowing transfers would enable the scalping you want them to prevent

How so? Transfers with face value transfers only (for states where that is legal).

There is no $ associated with transfers. "face value transfers" cannot be enforced or facilitated.

I think it would be possible especially with all the convenience fees

there is NO way to associate $ with ticketmaster transfers. Have you never transferred tix before?

I'm 100% with you on your other points. Allowing transfers opens the floodgates to scalping. There is no way to enforce transferring someone a ticket (via transfer) and charging them thousands of dollars via paypal venmo cast etc

Friend, those floodgates are WIIIIIDE open!

There would be zero drops. Zero. Everyone who has scored a post-lottery, face value ticket this tour would not have had that opportunity.

Prior to COVID I got tix for several shows with no problems

Me too..

Imcoffeegirl · May 9

Here's Ticketmaster's latest shenanigans: I went to list a single ticket for a show I can't go to in August (NOT A PEARL JAM SHOW) . They won't let me list it, but they were "nice" enough to offer it to an "interested buyer " for $100 less than I paid.
Nice try, Ticketmaster.

Shaggy · May 9

Here's the problem I see with the current ticketing process - it encourages people to apply for many/all shows, even if they don't have plans to go. I have put in requests for pit tickets for many shows, just to see if I get them. If so, I'll try to make travel plans. If not, well, that what FTF is for. The problem is that this keeps other people from getting tix in the lottery and forces them to compete on TicketBastard. There should be a change to dis-incentivise poeple from requesting too many shows.

zpalffy · May 10

Shaggy said:

Here's the problem I see with the current ticketing process - it encourages people to apply for many/all shows, even if they don't have plans to go. I have put in requests for pit tickets for many shows, just to see if I get them. If so, I'll try to make travel plans. If not, well, that what FTF is for. The problem is that this keeps other people from getting tix in the lottery and forces them to compete on TicketBastard. There should be a change to dis-incentivise poeple from requesting too many shows.

Nailed it!

danofun · May 10

Shaggy said:

Here's the problem I see with the current ticketing process - it encourages people to apply for many/all shows, even if they don't have plans to go. I have put in requests for pit tickets for many shows, just to see if I get them. If so, I'll try to make travel plans. If not, well, that what FTF is for. The problem is that this keeps other people from getting tix in the lottery and forces them to compete on TicketBastard. There should be a change to dis-incentivise poeple from requesting too many shows.

👆

PJNB · May 10

danofun said:

Shaggy said:

Here's the problem I see with the current ticketing process - it encourages people to apply for many/all shows, even if they don't have plans to go. I have put in requests for pit tickets for many shows, just to see if I get them. If so, I'll try to make travel plans. If not, well, that what FTF is for. The problem is that this keeps other people from getting tix in the lottery and forces them to compete on TicketBastard. There should be a change to dis-incentivise poeple from requesting too many shows.

👆

Agreed but TM and PJ have to love the fact that 10C tickets sell out now even in cities like Raleigh and St Paul with 2 nights booked.

That never would have happened pre 2020. I think it was a huge pain in the past when 10C did not sell out their reserved allotment and they had to go back to the public sale to be sold.

darwinstheory · May 10

danofun said:

darwinstheory said:

Eddieredder said:

SVRDhand13 said:

Eddieredder said:

SVRDhand13 said:

verceman said:

Allowing transfers would enable the scalping you want them to prevent

How so? Transfers with face value transfers only (for states where that is legal).

There is no $ associated with transfers. "face value transfers" cannot be enforced or facilitated.

I think it would be possible especially with all the convenience fees

there is NO way to associate $ with ticketmaster transfers. Have you never transferred tix before?

I'm 100% with you on your other points. Allowing transfers opens the floodgates to scalping. There is no way to enforce transferring someone a ticket (via transfer) and charging them thousands of dollars via paypal venmo cast etc

Friend, those floodgates are WIIIIIDE open!

There would be zero drops. Zero. Everyone who has scored a post-lottery, face value ticket this tour would not have had that opportunity.

More people here would have scored via transfers. There haven't been many (bunch of) real victories for the Pitt shows. There absolutely would have been more victories if transfers were an option.

PJNB · May 10

darwinstheory said:

danofun said:

darwinstheory said:

Eddieredder said:

SVRDhand13 said:

Eddieredder said:

SVRDhand13 said:

verceman said:

Allowing transfers would enable the scalping you want them to prevent

How so? Transfers with face value transfers only (for states where that is legal).

There is no $ associated with transfers. "face value transfers" cannot be enforced or facilitated.

I think it would be possible especially with all the convenience fees

there is NO way to associate $ with ticketmaster transfers. Have you never transferred tix before?

I'm 100% with you on your other points. Allowing transfers opens the floodgates to scalping. There is no way to enforce transferring someone a ticket (via transfer) and charging them thousands of dollars via paypal venmo cast etc

Friend, those floodgates are WIIIIIDE open!

There would be zero drops. Zero. Everyone who has scored a post-lottery, face value ticket this tour would not have had that opportunity.

More people here would have scored via transfers. There haven't been many (bunch of) real victories for the Pitt shows. There absolutely would have been more victories if transfers were an option.

There definitely would be

There also would be 10C members flipping tickets for a profit just like we saw in MSG and Denver.

Denver is a great example of a decent market that still had plenty of people selling for face value on here and facebook.

MSG on the other hand was a bloodbath lol

pjl44 · May 10

Shaggy said:

Here's the problem I see with the current ticketing process - it encourages people to apply for many/all shows, even if they don't have plans to go. I have put in requests for pit tickets for many shows, just to see if I get them. If so, I'll try to make travel plans. If not, well, that what FTF is for. The problem is that this keeps other people from getting tix in the lottery and forces them to compete on TicketBastard. There should be a change to dis-incentivise poeple from requesting too many shows.

This is about as restrictive an electronic ticketing system as you can pull off. The only way to tighten things up more is to go back to in-person pickup of physical tickets with an ID.

Otherwise, at this point, I say tear down all these guardrails that create a bunch of unintended consequences. It will probably increase demand for 10C tickets even more (especially in their hotter markets) but on balance I think it will ultimately make it easier to get a ticket at a reasonable price.

gotthebottle · May 10

Shaggy said:

Here's the problem I see with the current ticketing process - it encourages people to apply for many/all shows, even if they don't have plans to go. I have put in requests for pit tickets for many shows, just to see if I get them. If so, I'll try to make travel plans. If not, well, that what FTF is for. The problem is that this keeps other people from getting tix in the lottery and forces them to compete on TicketBastard. There should be a change to dis-incentivise poeple from requesting too many shows.

Yes

D-Day · May 10

moved - looks like this is THE place for it

gotthebottle said:
PJNB said:
D-Day said:
It seems the ticket sales system is really a downer.
1) Ticket sales strictly TM only. Elimination of all ways to sell a TM ticket on any other platform = tickets bought on other platforms are invalid. Everyone can read about this restriction on the TM site.
2) TM ticket resale limited to 1. If someone has bought a ticket via the TM resale option, this ticket is sold out of the market. No way to sell it again.

Ticket mania shrinked.
It’s not up to TM to enforce #1 its up to the venue and the band though.

Also #2 was happening for months due to brokers taking all the tickets and they would never come back to fan to fan. Back in 2020 and 2022 people would upgrade and return their worse off seats to fan to fan and another fan would get them and benefit from the resale. Now we rarely see that even with direct links.
+1000

so

#1

is doable by the band/venue/TM together - and there’s no / should be no reason to ignore it.

+ Announcement / WARNING on venue site and PJ Home plus a technic-solution to detect invalid tickets by the entry-scan on show day.

#1.1 or even prevent a ticket’s online move to another sales market. No idea how this further step would work technically - could be impossible or not worth any action because actually there’s no need for that.

Because selling invalid tickets is not a big business.

# 2

Limited to 1 resale works strictly on the TM site now and only *face value resale tickets* are possible there.

Therefore no profit in $ for brokers/resellers/scalpers is possible.

>> only #1 and #2 together would shrink the ticket mania and can reduce ticket scalping vastly

D-Day · May 10

+

TM ticket resale price lower than *face value* should be possible/allowed.

PB11041 · May 10

No one has generated a solution, no matter what, there will be a loophole. Whether it is fans signing up for multiple fanclub accounts, scalpers signing up multiple fanclub accounts, live nation screwing with the F2F ticket drops.

The only reasonable solution and it most certainly could be done, is that if a ticket goes back into the F2F drop, not talking pj premium nonsense, but regular priced fanclub and general face tickets, those tickets should be "locked" into access by fanclub members only. You get verified as an active fanclub member prior to the on-sale, it would be easy to do this. You set up a portal where F2F requires your fanclub login. If the tickets do not sell after 30 or 60 days, they go back into the general pool. It is not perfect but it would alleviate some of the live nation buyback and resell garbage.

pjl44 · May 10

D-Day said:

+
TM ticket resale price lower than *face value* should be possible/allowed.

Given that Ticketmaster rakes fees on all resales it's interesting that they don't allow this. Their data must show that people will buy something either way and they're still making more without the incremental sales from price cuts.

PLEA TO THE BAND: Change the ticketing process next tour

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