PLEA TO THE BAND: Change the ticketing process next tour

SVRDhand13

We are one of the most passionate fan bases in the world.  And we are getting screwed by Ticketmaster decades after you tried, and unfortunately failed, to change the ticket industry.  But here's the thing, you tried when other's didn't!  It's time to bring that passion back and help the current fans.  Look at Robert Smith of The Cure for example, he made a difference because he used his voice.  Please, we are begging you, help us get tix, and help us get face value tix, for the next tour! 

What can you do to help: 

1) Do not allow Premium tickets.  Ten Club members are missing out on tickets, usually great seats, and typically cannot afford the astronomical markups.  
2) Allow transfers.  I do not want to gamble with posting a link.  Let us get the tickets directly into the hands of our friends or actual PJ fans, instead of bots or scalpers.  
3) Ask Ticketmaster to reduce their "convenience" fees on your tickets.  The Cure was successful in this and I am sure you would be too.  

If things remain the same, ten club members will be incentivized to put in requests for every show of a tour, whether we plan on actually attending or not.  We will also lose countless hours trying to find affordable tickets which have a decent view.  

Thanks for your consideration.  I am sure other fans will have additional recommendations.  

SVRDhand13

happy tour start day!

verceman

Allowing transfers would enable the scalping you want them to prevent

pjl44

Below-market pricing and easy transferability on a high-demand show is a secondary market bonanza 

Given to...

Something HAS to be better than the latest 2 or 3 models.

pjl44

I also do not understand how such a system would result in *fewer* Ten Club requests 

pjl44

Given to... said:

Something HAS to be better than the latest 2 or 3 models.

I'd love to hear it because to date I haven't 

RE4790

verceman said:

Allowing transfers would enable the scalping you want them to prevent

It would also encourage people to get many 10c accounts and put in for many shows to get extras for trading circle purposes, making it harder for folks with less money to get any tickets outside those circles.

Limiting fan2fan to just the 10 club members who didn't get 10c tix would be an easy step to helping to get more tickets to fans.  That and limiting memberships to one per mailing address with no PO Boxes allowed.

KJ228171

verceman said:

Allowing transfers would enable the scalping you want them to prevent

Non-transfers haven't stopped the scalping. They need to make a closed system for 10C tickets were we can transfer and/or list so that only 10C members have access. They can even keep the PJ Premiums.

SVRDhand13

verceman said:

Allowing transfers would enable the scalping you want them to prevent

How so?  Transfers with face value transfers only (for states where that is legal).  

pjl44

KJ228171 said:

verceman said:

Allowing transfers would enable the scalping you want them to prevent

Non-transfers haven't stopped the scalping. They need to make a closed system for 10C tickets were we can transfer and/or list so that only 10C members have access. They can even keep the PJ Premiums.

Which is fine until you need to get rid of tickets, no one in 10C is biting, and you're stuck

RE4790

KJ228171 said:

verceman said:

Allowing transfers would enable the scalping you want them to prevent

Non-transfers haven't stopped the scalping. They need to make a closed system for 10C tickets were we can transfer and/or list so that only 10C members have access. They can even keep the PJ Premiums.

For lotto tickets it should be transfers only to 10cers who did not win 10c tickets to the show to maximize fan access or else you encourage upgraders interfering with fans who lost out in the lotto. 

danny

absolutely shocking how many tickets are still for sale 

bootleg

Agree that something needs to be done as this current iteration of F2F has been the most difficult, and most time consuming with little to show for your effort.   However, allowing direct transfers would allow people to make deals outside of the system above face and you’d still be dealing with scalping.  I do think that they should try to do something to keep the 10 club tickets within 10 club members.  This would likely involve a process that doesn’t exist at the moment but one I don’t think would be too far fetched since they already have a way to link our member numbers to our TM accounts.

As it is right now, getting F2F tickets to actual fans is a mess.  Part of this is on us, as so many people are just sloppy with releasing tickets.  It hurts to watch so many premium tickets (not PJ premium, stop that shit too) be just thrown away to bots and scalpers.  I wish those GA, and top section tickets had to filter back through 10c before being released again.  Give people a window to repurchase those tix or go through a second lottery for those who didn’t get tickets the first time.

darwinstheory

+1

joseph33

Something needs to happen. As of right now,TM has the Upper Hand.😔

Shaindli1

joseph33 said:

Something needs to happen. As of right now,TM has the Upper Hand.😔

And they are giving the fans a Whipping.

Eddieredder

SVRDhand13 said:

verceman said:

Allowing transfers would enable the scalping you want them to prevent

How so?  Transfers with face value transfers only (for states where that is legal).  

There is no $ associated with transfers. "face value transfers" cannot be enforced or facilitated. 

SVRDhand13

Eddieredder said:

SVRDhand13 said:

verceman said:

Allowing transfers would enable the scalping you want them to prevent

How so?  Transfers with face value transfers only (for states where that is legal).  

There is no $ associated with transfers. "face value transfers" cannot be enforced or facilitated. 

I think it would be possible especially with all the convenience fees 

vant0037

Transfer is the answer.  Yes, that means individuals will be able to scalp, but consider:
1) with a sizable chunk of the audience being fan club or fan club adjacent, most transfers will be much more likely to be “legit” face value transfers;
2) the present system shifts the risk of scalping among individuals to the guarantee of scalping amongst bots and third party venders.  Pick your poison, but if you allow transfers, it decreases the risk of scalping, or at the very least, spreads the scalping around and thereby shifts a chunk of it away from the bots and third party venders; and finally
3) by allowing for transfers, you get a true “market value” established theoretically, because why pay PJ Premium prices (which didn’t appear to be selling anyway) when you could take the chance of finding a seller in a different way for much closer to fair market value.  The PJ premium prices were presumably established based on some market algorithm that only TM knew.

pjl44

vant0037 said:

Transfer is the answer.  Yes, that means individuals will be able to scalp, but consider:
1) with a sizable chunk of the audience being fan club or fan club adjacent, most transfers will be much more likely to be “legit” face value transfers;
2) the present system shifts the risk of scalping among individuals to the guarantee of scalping amongst bots and third party venders.  Pick your poison, but if you allow transfers, it decreases the risk of scalping, or at the very least, spreads the scalping around and thereby shifts a chunk of it away from the bots and third party venders; and finally
3) by allowing for transfers, you get a true “market value” established theoretically, because why pay PJ Premium prices (which didn’t appear to be selling anyway) when you could take the chance of finding a seller in a different way for much closer to fair market value.  The PJ premium prices were presumably established based on some market algorithm that only TM knew.

3 excellent points right here

Eddieredder

SVRDhand13 said:

Eddieredder said:

SVRDhand13 said:

verceman said:

Allowing transfers would enable the scalping you want them to prevent

How so?  Transfers with face value transfers only (for states where that is legal).  

There is no $ associated with transfers. "face value transfers" cannot be enforced or facilitated. 

I think it would be possible especially with all the convenience fees 

there is NO way to associate $ with ticketmaster transfers. Have you never transferred tix before?

I'm 100% with you on your other points. Allowing transfers opens the floodgates to scalping. There is no way to enforce transferring someone a ticket (via transfer) and charging them thousands of dollars via paypal venmo cast etc