I see why so many people voted no. I say yes, but the system needs some major upgrades.
F2F is still better than a direct after market that isn't policed IMO.
You say yes but then you say it needs upgrades which means no....
In its current state it is a broken mess that allows scalpers to buy up all of the tickets for months prior to a tour.
I really don't get how anyone that has knowledge of whats happening can say YES to this. Makes no sense to me.
With all due respect, it's easy to vote "No" to the question as posed and recommend a TM process that currently does not exist. But that's simply not realistic. Artists have to play within the confines of their current options, which are F2F vs fully transferable tickets. I'd argue that the poll question is a misleading one. It should have read, "On their next tour, should Pearl Jam use Fan to Fan or allow fully transferable tickets?" Currently most individuals here, including yourself, are voting for option #3, varying ideas that would all require a completely new system none of which are currently in existence.
God willing, the boys will tour again soon and additional options will be available. But currently, many believe F2F remains a better option than the only other available option, fully transferable tickets. And making tickets fully transferable does not solve the secondary market issue. A quick look at VividSeats and the 5/16 Pittsburgh show has ~250 seats listed. Last fall, the MSG shows had at least 3x that a few weeks out. Pittsburgh tickets are non-transferable, the NYC shows were fully transferable.
Earlier today, @stevee1982 scored a GA ticket to FL1 on F2F at face value. That victory is not even a possibility without F2F. Just like the fall, there will be plenty of more success stories as we get closer to these shows.
Enough of this, the world's greatest rock band is only a couple of weeks from hitting the road. Now get out there and enjoy the shows!
They have not changed Fan 2 Fan in 4 tours. My question is should they change it up or keep taking the lazy route and act like nothing is wrong and use it again next year. I never once said should be allow fully transferable tickets. 10C tickets should not be transferable imo. Too many issues would come of this.
I know the ship has sailed sadly but will call for 10C tickets would fix this whole mess. If they want use F2F for their premiums and the standard priced reserves then sure go for it.
This would fix people putting in for too many shows and just selling them to scalpers on fan to fan when they can't trade or don't need them.
And I would like to add to those that have no clue what is going on just read this thread on Given to Fly. It shows just how much of a struggle people have been having the last 3 months with fan to fan.
61 pages of frustration with a handful of wins. I got GA myself using Fan to Fan this year. That does not mean it is not a broken system.
My vote would be "yes" if the only options are F2F the way it is or completely non-transferable tickets. But from what I've been seeing, having transferable tickets would probably be better than F2F in its current state. Some people have been successful, but there were always people willing o sell for face on here too.
Given that I'm not 22 anymore, have a family and responsibilities, usually have to travel for a show and they announce 6 months out, anything can come up. I don't like investing $400 in a pair of tickets without the option to get my money back if something comes up. When It was $100 for a pair and I only had to drive 45 minutes away with few responsibilities that would prevent me from doing that, that was a different story and worth the risk.
So if my options are keep it the way it is or make it better, obviously I'd pick make it better. But if the options are F2F or nothing at all. If that nothing at all means you're sick with the ticket no matter what, then I'll take f2F. If that nothing at all means I can transfer it on my own, I'll take the transferable ticket.
I’ve stated it before. I don’t care what they do with tickets sold during the general sale. Transferable/non transferable, standard or premium, face value exchange or not. I just want 10C tickets to go to and be exchanged with 10C members. It shouldn’t be too hard to craft a mechanism that also this. They could spin out a verified 10C program. It’s not a reach from their old verified fan. Code the tickets as 10c and require an F2A from verified 10C to buy them. Sure their are scalpers in 10C but if you make those nontransferable only they will move to the other tickets and leave us alone.
There s plenty of face value exchange tickets for six of the ten shows this tour. It sucks you can’t lower the prices for these tickets. Lots of people are going to be unable to sell their tickets
No. Make them fully non transferable. You buy and cannot go, you eat the tickets. Then TM is out of the equation.
I don't agree with this anymore. 10 years ago I did. But with the ticket prices now, fewer shows and more traveling to see those shows. Things can come up, prices on travel and hotels fluctuate. I don't agree with the you can't go, just eat the $400 you paid" motto anymore.
No. Make them fully non transferable. You buy and cannot go, you eat the tickets. Then TM is out of the equation.
I don't agree with this anymore. 10 years ago I did. But with the ticket prices now, fewer shows and more traveling to see those shows. Things can come up, prices on travel and hotels fluctuate. I don't agree with the you can't go, just eat the $400 you paid" motto anymore.
This seems easy. Isn't that what captchas were invented for?
The bots are always one step ahead. TM may even be using them. The best solution is to make 10C tix non transferable. People will think twice before spending $400+ on tickets. More local fans may actually get tickets. Too many people buy 10C tix on spec not knowing if they can actually go because of work or the travel costs. Hence this thread. Do not buy 10C tix if you are planning to fly from far away unless you have time off from work and the resources to travel. I know that is a bit harsh but there are plenty of local fans that can go. As far as I can tell, this F2F does not put face value 10C tickets in the hands of fans. I know there are exceptions. But anytime TM is involved, the motive is profit.
During onsales scalpers/bots are an integral part of the touring industry ecosystem in that they contribute to shows selling out and increasing demand, which promoters, artists, Ticketmaster, LiveNation obviously want because it’s the main way they make money.
Bots aren’t going to be stopped because a lot of them are sanctioned. TM even gives some of them API access to buy tickets or queue bypass links— that’s not an accident or a hack. From what I understand for the larger brokers there are even agreements about how many tickets they can purchase for each event during onsales.
All of this ensures the cost of the tour is recovered and a certain amount of money is made for each player in the process.
The unintended consequence of fan to fan is that all of these scalpers have access to a perpetual onsale from the time tickets go on sale to the day of the show. I believe everyone involved in the live music industry is aware of why scalpers are allowed to operate but I don’t think artists who have opted into fan to fan really understand how it’s now being exploited by the people who have back door access. That CBS News segment that was posted here a week back is proof of that with the Something Corporate lead singer thinking that he has some silver bullet as he talked about how their tickets can only be sold for face value. The only people who are going to care that it’s broken are the artists so if it’s going to be fixed the pressure needs to come from their side. That’s why the thing that frustrates me the most out of all of this is the nonchalance from the Ten Club.
Again all of the yeses are ok with bots scooping up the majority of the tickets on fan to fan? That is what a yes is implying in its current state.
I am a bit baffled that anyone would vote yes to be honest especially those that have seen it happen in real time with secondary sites minutes later posting the seats.
What I know for sure is that F2F offered me by far the best options for great seats at face value, over and over. I was able to upgrade my location more than once for each show, and I thought that was pretty awesome.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Again all of the yeses are ok with bots scooping up the majority of the tickets on fan to fan? That is what a yes is implying in its current state.
I am a bit baffled that anyone would vote yes to be honest especially those that have seen it happen in real time with secondary sites minutes later posting the seats.
What I know for sure is that F2F offered me by far the best options for great seats at face value, over and over. I was able to upgrade my location more than once for each show, and I thought that was pretty awesome.
2025?
Vancouver was barely touched by scalpers in 2024 so it is an unfair comparison.
During onsales scalpers/bots are an integral part of the touring industry ecosystem in that they contribute to shows selling out and increasing demand, which promoters, artists, Ticketmaster, LiveNation obviously want because it’s the main way they make money.
Bots aren’t going to be stopped because a lot of them are sanctioned. TM even gives some of them API access to buy tickets or queue bypass links— that’s not an accident or a hack. From what I understand for the larger brokers there are even agreements about how many tickets they can purchase for each event during onsales.
All of this ensures the cost of the tour is recovered and a certain amount of money is made for each player in the process.
The unintended consequence of fan to fan is that all of these scalpers have access to a perpetual onsale from the time tickets go on sale to the day of the show. I believe everyone involved in the live music industry is aware of why scalpers are allowed to operate but I don’t think artists who have opted into fan to fan really understand how it’s now being exploited by the people who have back door access. That CBS News segment that was posted here a week back is proof of that with the Something Corporate lead singer thinking that he has some silver bullet as he talked about how their tickets can only be sold for face value. The only people who are going to care that it’s broken are the artists so if it’s going to be fixed the pressure needs to come from their side. That’s why the thing that frustrates me the most out of all of this is the nonchalance from the Ten Club.
I agree with everything you said. My only thing to add is that this tour is the worst it’s ever been for fans. The scalpers and bots have dominated the fan to fan market. The ten club might not have pushed for a change in the system prior to this year. I’m hoping that this year is the straw that breaks the camels back and causes the ten club to push Ticketmaster into making changes to the system. Time will tell.
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2025: Raleigh
During onsales scalpers/bots are an integral part of the touring industry ecosystem in that they contribute to shows selling out and increasing demand, which promoters, artists, Ticketmaster, LiveNation obviously want because it’s the main way they make money.
Bots aren’t going to be stopped because a lot of them are sanctioned. TM even gives some of them API access to buy tickets or queue bypass links— that’s not an accident or a hack. From what I understand for the larger brokers there are even agreements about how many tickets they can purchase for each event during onsales.
All of this ensures the cost of the tour is recovered and a certain amount of money is made for each player in the process.
The unintended consequence of fan to fan is that all of these scalpers have access to a perpetual onsale from the time tickets go on sale to the day of the show. I believe everyone involved in the live music industry is aware of why scalpers are allowed to operate but I don’t think artists who have opted into fan to fan really understand how it’s now being exploited by the people who have back door access. That CBS News segment that was posted here a week back is proof of that with the Something Corporate lead singer thinking that he has some silver bullet as he talked about how their tickets can only be sold for face value. The only people who are going to care that it’s broken are the artists so if it’s going to be fixed the pressure needs to come from their side. That’s why the thing that frustrates me the most out of all of this is the nonchalance from the Ten Club.
Spot on. I would guess Pearl Jam management is well aware of what is happening. Ten Club (or its outsourced operator) manages the Ten Club. Band management manages finances and the ticket sales. Management takes direction from the band. I suppose F2F is the lesser of two evils, which is giving TM free reign. There is no question that the band has a say in this matter, and that for now, they have taken a step back, collect their paychecks, and play music. The rest is run by the business.
Did a timed drop for ATL2 tickets a few days ago and the buyer wasn't able to snag them despite sharing the link. Just noticed they are on TickPick now for $840/each. Gotta love F2F!
"I got memories, I got shit"
ISO a pair of Nashville night 2 tickets. PM me to coordinate a drop!
Comments
They have not changed Fan 2 Fan in 4 tours. My question is should they change it up or keep taking the lazy route and act like nothing is wrong and use it again next year. I never once said should be allow fully transferable tickets. 10C tickets should not be transferable imo. Too many issues would come of this.
I know the ship has sailed sadly but will call for 10C tickets would fix this whole mess. If they want use F2F for their premiums and the standard priced reserves then sure go for it.
This would fix people putting in for too many shows and just selling them to scalpers on fan to fan when they can't trade or don't need them.
61 pages of frustration with a handful of wins. I got GA myself using Fan to Fan this year. That does not mean it is not a broken system.
https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/306385/2025-fan-to-fan-exchange-and-iso-ft-fs-thread
But from what I've been seeing, having transferable tickets would probably be better than F2F in its current state. Some people have been successful, but there were always people willing o sell for face on here too.
Given that I'm not 22 anymore, have a family and responsibilities, usually have to travel for a show and they announce 6 months out, anything can come up. I don't like investing $400 in a pair of tickets without the option to get my money back if something comes up. When It was $100 for a pair and I only had to drive 45 minutes away with few responsibilities that would prevent me from doing that, that was a different story and worth the risk.
So if my options are keep it the way it is or make it better, obviously I'd pick make it better.
But if the options are F2F or nothing at all. If that nothing at all means you're sick with the ticket no matter what, then I'll take f2F. If that nothing at all means I can transfer it on my own, I'll take the transferable ticket.
But with the ticket prices now, fewer shows and more traveling to see those shows. Things can come up, prices on travel and hotels fluctuate. I don't agree with the you can't go, just eat the $400 you paid" motto anymore.
"CO278952 said:
This seems easy. Isn't that what captchas were invented for?
The bots are always one step ahead. TM may even be using them. The best solution is to make 10C tix non transferable. People will think twice before spending $400+ on tickets. More local fans may actually get tickets. Too many people buy 10C tix on spec not knowing if they can actually go because of work or the travel costs. Hence this thread. Do not buy 10C tix if you are planning to fly from far away unless you have time off from work and the resources to travel. I know that is a bit harsh but there are plenty of local fans that can go. As far as I can tell, this F2F does not put face value 10C tickets in the hands of fans. I know there are exceptions. But anytime TM is involved, the motive is profit.
Bots aren’t going to be stopped because a lot of them are sanctioned. TM even gives some of them API access to buy tickets or queue bypass links— that’s not an accident or a hack. From what I understand for the larger brokers there are even agreements about how many tickets they can purchase for each event during onsales.
What I know for sure is that F2F offered me by far the best options for great seats at face value, over and over. I was able to upgrade my location more than once for each show, and I thought that was pretty awesome.
2025?
Vancouver was barely touched by scalpers in 2024 so it is an unfair comparison.
Spot on. I would guess Pearl Jam management is well aware of what is happening. Ten Club (or its outsourced operator) manages the Ten Club. Band management manages finances and the ticket sales. Management takes direction from the band. I suppose F2F is the lesser of two evils, which is giving TM free reign. There is no question that the band has a say in this matter, and that for now, they have taken a step back, collect their paychecks, and play music. The rest is run by the business.
ISO a pair of Nashville night 2 tickets. PM me to coordinate a drop!