Should Pearl Jam use fan to fan again next tour in its current state?

PJNB
PJNB Posts: 13,890
edited April 14 in The Porch
Simple question

Should Pearl Jam use fan to fan again next tour in its current state? 109 votes

Yes
13%
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No
86%
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  • iakovosjam
    iakovosjam Posts: 1
    It for sure needs to be improved, but F2F is better than having all resale on the secondary market. So, I'd rather have the same system for the next tour rather than not having anything official.
  • JojoRice
    JojoRice Kennesaw, GA Posts: 4,553
    No
    I like F2F but it needs some major tweaks....
    -Allow the selling of tickets below face value if desired by the seller
    -When trying to coordinate a drop/re-sell tickets to a specific fan, let the sell link between the seller and buyer have about a 5 minute buffer before the tickets are available to everyone else.  
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    No
    For anyone voting yes how are you ok with being forced to sell your tickets to scalpers just so they can make a huge profit on your 10C seats? 

    I don't get how anyone can be ok with this system in its current state that has been following the ticket sales and where they end up after you sell them.. 
  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    edited April 14
    No
    Removing transfer restrictions would be better than this nonsense. At least that way members could freely sell and trade with each other. I think enough conscientious 10c members would adhere to the policy of selling at face value only.  
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,791
    No
    In its current state, no. 

    I wish they would go back to will call on the day of the show... I don't see any better method for allocation of 10C tickets, but I think that ship has sailed. 
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    No
    Merkin Baller said:
    In its current state, no. 

    I wish they would go back to will call on the day of the show... I don't see any better method for allocation of 10C tickets, but I think that ship has sailed. 
    Agreed with willcall and I would add bring back priority. The combination of those two missing with 10C tickets means more 10C tickets are being sold than ever before so I have zero faith in that every changing. 

    It seems like they don't care anymore who gets the tickets as long as the original ticket gets sold. 
  • danofun
    danofun Posts: 1,301
    Yes
    As someone who was completely shutout of the lottery, F2F, while it has its flaws, is the only shot at a face value ticket. And the best tickets in the house for that matter. The addition of the drop link was a good one. Put your time in, specifically closer to the show date, and you'll have success. We're still not close enough to be putting in real time and like the fall tour, many of the complaints will be forgotten as shows open up.

    PJ does a phenomenal job of getting tickets into the hands of REAL fans when tickets are originally sold. It's the lottery winning and ticket hoarding fans that put in for all the shows and use the tickets they don't want as trade bait (take a look on these boards, they're all over the place!) who ultimately release them and they end up on the secondary market. The better change is limiting the number of shows you can put in for in the lottery.
  • danofun
    danofun Posts: 1,301
    Yes
    JojoRice said:
    I like F2F but it needs some major tweaks....
    -Allow the selling of tickets below face value if desired by the seller
    -When trying to coordinate a drop/re-sell tickets to a specific fan, let the sell link between the seller and buyer have about a 5 minute buffer before the tickets are available to everyone else.  
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  • HailHailVitalogy
    HailHailVitalogy Posts: 6,014
    No
    Absolutely not. Never thought we would be in this position when we were doing this in 2022 and 2023
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  • Weston1283
    Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 5,019
    No
    No, but they will

    They will never go back to a Will Call system (too much work at this stage of their careers)

    So the only alternative would be for full and open transfer of all tickets, including 10c tickets.  But, with this, people would get so mad about the 10% of people who scalp their 10c tickets and not realize that it helps the other 90% of us, and the backlash would be too loud for the band to ignore.  
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  • HailHailVitalogy
    HailHailVitalogy Posts: 6,014
    No
    There needs to be a way to transfer to 10c emails that entered the lottery. I understand scalpers can get a 10c membership…otherwise fully transferable.
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  • ddeschler
    ddeschler Posts: 687
    edited April 15
    No
    I don't know that much about computers in their current iteration.  But is there nothing that can be done about the bots?

    It's broken in its current form.  Can't get tickets on F2F unless you have built a bot.
    Post edited by ddeschler on
    I've seen quite a few Pearl Jam shows.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,919
    Not in its current state.  if 10C tickets are being put on fan to fan they should go to the next person on the lottery list.  they should stay 10C tickets.
  • steven87
    steven87 Posts: 1,723
    No
    F2F was initially a great innovation. In 2022 and 2023, it successfully worked to eliminate/minimize scalping and to ensure that tickets got into the hands of actual fans who would use them. During that period, due to the transfer restrictions, there were none or very few F2F tickets up for sale on secondary ticketing sites at inflated prices. But then that all changed once the scalpers developed the technology to reverse engineer the bar codes. And now the secondary sites are full of F2F tickets being sold at enormous markups. Unfortunately I think it was inevitable- it was just a matter of time before the scalpers figured out a work around. Now fan to fan has effectively become fan to bot. It doesn’t matter how fast we are- we can’t beat the bots. Now that the entire purpose behind and function of F2F has been destroyed by the scalpers/bots, I think the whole ticketing system needs to be revamped for next tour. 
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    No
    Again all of the yeses are ok with bots scooping up the majority of the tickets on fan to fan? That is what a yes is implying in its current state. 

    I am a bit baffled that anyone would vote yes to be honest especially those that have seen it happen in real time with secondary sites minutes later posting the seats.  
  • bootleg
    bootleg Posts: 1,209
    No
    The current F2F is broken, but still better than than just everything going to scalpers.  Ideal scenario would be to have all 10 club tickets to go back into some kind of pool where members who got shut out have first priority.  Or at least maybe lock the returned 10c tix so that you have to be in the 10c to buy those particular tickets.  TM already has our 10c information so that shouldn’t be that hard of an addition.  Sure the scalpers still sign up for 10c but I feel like it would help a little.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,791
    No
    PJNB said:
    Again all of the yeses are ok with bots scooping up the majority of the tickets on fan to fan? That is what a yes is implying in its current state. 

    I am a bit baffled that anyone would vote yes to be honest especially those that have seen it happen in real time with secondary sites minutes later posting the seats.  
    Yeah, the "in its current state" is the crux of it. 
     
    Of course if they could get it back to what it was in 2024, most people would be fine with it. 
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    PJNB said:
    For anyone voting yes how are you ok with being forced to sell your tickets to scalpers just so they can make a huge profit on your 10C seats? 

    I don't get how anyone can be ok with this system in its current state that has been following the ticket sales and where they end up after you sell them.. 
    I've heard this several times. But I don't understand how. How are scalpers able to sell so many tickets that are non-transferable? Buying off F2F has the same resell restrictions. 
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    steven87 said:
    F2F was initially a great innovation. In 2022 and 2023, it successfully worked to eliminate/minimize scalping and to ensure that tickets got into the hands of actual fans who would use them. During that period, due to the transfer restrictions, there were none or very few F2F tickets up for sale on secondary ticketing sites at inflated prices. But then that all changed once the scalpers developed the technology to reverse engineer the bar codes. And now the secondary sites are full of F2F tickets being sold at enormous markups. Unfortunately I think it was inevitable- it was just a matter of time before the scalpers figured out a work around. Now fan to fan has effectively become fan to bot. It doesn’t matter how fast we are- we can’t beat the bots. Now that the entire purpose behind and function of F2F has been destroyed by the scalpers/bots, I think the whole ticketing system needs to be revamped for next tour. 
    I guess that answers my questions. I had no idea they were able to do that? Seems like it could be fixed though.
  • tschav
    tschav Posts: 2,900
    No
    JojoRice said:
    I like F2F but it needs some major tweaks....
    -Allow the selling of tickets below face value if desired by the seller
    -When trying to coordinate a drop/re-sell tickets to a specific fan, let the sell link between the seller and buyer have about a 5 minute buffer before the tickets are available to everyone else.  
    Mostly agree on both these points if changes were to be made...
    • If you overpaid for Premium or simply can't go, the artist/promoter already got their $ and discounted F2F rarely competes with leftover unsold tickets for PJ shows (unless they release limited view tickets after the public on sale)
    • Ticket transfers are difficult because resale can game the system with multiple accounts, etc. But for those just looking to get in the venue they could implement a 10C Wishlist where fans enrolled in the lottery keep their payment info active and any F2F ticket availability gets to them first. If you don't like what you automatically bought in this system, you release them back to the F2F pool again. Would be better than sniping against bots on Ticketmaster for drops, but the tradeoff is it eliminates the ability to time a sale with a buddy. 

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