he's lost 93% of his court cases, and he continues to get blocked by the courts for all his stupid EO's. What the hell are you talking about?
If you were to read the thread, you’d notice my original comment was about the 4.00pm ruling by Roberts removing the lower courts demand the MD immigrant be returned to the states by midnight. Original reporting indicated that it was a “terse” opinion (at the time of my original comment) but that might not have been the best reporting. Reading more recent stories I’m not so sure Roberts will end up supporting the administration on this case
then I had a back and forth with Matt, clarifying that the dems are in a stranglehold when it comes to the 2026 senate election. Important because that controls the supreme court. Further, “trump comes out ahead” is also, in context, regarding his political ability to come back from his tariff fiasco. It’s amazing how your comments always gets the context wrong. The context is the dems do not have the political power or strategy to take back the senate or Court, and trump is a master at political victories. Sure the lower courts love to rule against him. That means a heck of a lot in our power structure (sarcasm).
But you’ll never ask to get yer facts right before attacking (or as you like to do, directly quoting me without quoting me…and also get the context wrong) . Always best to attack first and ask questions never. your insertion of “93%” is completely off topic with the mocking “sure comes out winning” is a complete misunderstanding of my comments. But you needed to get yer dig in. 93% is surely great , but it ain’t The Court, and the dems are lost when it comes to coming up with a path or message to get it back in our lifetime.
I did read it. I read your "trump always comes out winning" as a generality on top of the specific ruling you were talking about. Not really sure all the added whining was necessary.
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I did read it. I read your "trump always comes out winning" as a generality on top of the specific ruling you were talking about. Not really sure all the added whining was necessary.
even when you make a half hearted attempt to find middle ground, you have the need to throw shade. My reply, which core meaning was obviously misunderstood, was about long term political problems obtaining control of senate and White House in upcoming elections and a party whose core message is not resonating with middle America. Unfortunately it’s been covered up in the usual amt misinformation for the intended recipient to reply.
This is more of a reflection of the voters who are a bunch of clueless idiots who believe he’s the 2nd coming!
My comments are not only about trump, but about structural long term problems in the senate which controls the Supreme Court, and ten House seats/electoral votes heading to R states in a couple of cycles , which makes future elections difficult to win, as well as an indictment how blue states have succeeded.
if you think the answer is being more like trump, good for you, but I don’t think that helps dems win elections, which is what I want.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
BREAKING: 60 Minutes just exposed the lie. Over 75% of those deported to El Salvador’s mega-prison are innocent. No crimes. No charges. No justice. This is manufactured fear and state-sanctioned abuse.
I watched the full story this morning. I mean, it's what we all already thought was the case, but now that the details are getting out it's the most blatantly disgusting and vile of human rights violations imaginable. Yet they continue to try and hide behind legal BS. If it was legit, they'd have no problem showing the facts supporting their claims, but they can't so they'll just continue to stall as long as possible hoping people forget or write it off.
The govt appears to be 100% wrong with the MD resident deported to El Salvador , and Robert’s just issued a “terse” statement removing midnight deadline lower court issued to have him brought back.
Not sure what the liberal expectations are regarding upcoming immigration cases, it is well know how this court behaves. To get a better court, in 2026 Democrats need to hold four D senate seats in battleground states, Two of these states lean R, let alone win four republican seats for a senate majority
without the senate the dems may never get to appoint a fourth liberal justice in our lifetime., let alone a fifth. And ten house seats and electoral votes are moving to R states next census.
the situation is dire and the dem party is living fantasies regarding what middle America will tolerate. That’s why we are facing situations like this.
Yes the GOP is currently building a "forevermore" coalition focused on wrecking the stock market, creating a recession and promising to bring back shoe factories. I could not be more nervous.
Man, I remember five years ago when we completely agreed the likes of sanders and warren were far too left to be competitive in national elections. Things have certainly changed. Yeah, The tariffs are horrible. Lost a ton. Probably retiring soon. But We don’t know how that story ends yet. Every time trump is backed into a corner, he comes out ahead, except once. I am referring to structural problems the dems are having with the electorate. For which there are no good answers, despite the amt sarcasm.
whats the path to win the senate? As I said, 2026 is daunting. Sure dems take the house in midterms, there’s your big win, let’s do the Reel, but not much can be done to influence or shape the court with that. And they can’t pass any laws with a divided congress and a R president. So haha, we are great. Keep dancing, enjoy the house. Senate 2028 is even at best, judging by the seats up. The problem is, without those OH MT WV seats, there is a long term problem in the future of the senate, and the senate controls the court, as McConnell proved.
and those ten house seats and electoral votes going south. It’s not just the loss of the seats. People are voting with their a$$es. Dem policies aren’t working. Housing is too expensive among other problems. People are leaving blue states, and we are smug. The dem party is too busy with its darlings, the two topics I point out endlessly. The far left positions on dei and Palestine could not be any more unamerican. But yeah, let’s win voters back with that attitude. They view us as elitists, unrealistic and unamerican. Prove them right.
How have they "certainly changed" from five years ago? I still don't think the very liberal wing can compete nationally.
I'm not a political strategist and I have no interest in being one and it's not my job to figure out how the Democrats need to message more effectively. I view the world through a historical lens and I look for parallels in our history to understand how the next cycle may play out. But as I told you last week, not ten years ago the talking points were "demographics are destiny" and the GOP has nowhere to go, and will continue to entrench into a whiter, more male base. Then not two weeks ago, the talking points were "Democrats are done, there is no party, no message, we're cooked". Then they go out and way over-perform in FL and win Wisconsin. So you'll have to excuse me if I'm not going to burn my mental energy wringing my hands about the Senate. And sure the votes are going South (for now, until they go North because FL is uninhabitable), but they still vote. If they are leaving in droves to affect the blue states, well then they will subsequently affect the red states too by still voting their beliefs. That's how migration works.
So back to where I view the world, it doesn't take long to remember the Smoot-Hawley Act of 1930, which ushered in protectionism at the beginning of the depression. It supercharged the pain and led to four straight wins for FDR and 50 years of House control for the Dems. We could also look at the McKinley Tariffs of 1890 and see that they led to significantly increased prices and electoral wipeout for the Republicans in 1894 and 1898. The overall reaction to the rise of the Robber Barons led to the Progressive Era.
People's votes are fickle for the big chunk of the country that do not live/breathe party politics. Plenty of Obama voters became Trump voters as evidenced by the flip of Iowa and Ohio. Things can flip back and something as significant as creating a recession for no reason and raising prices on everything is bound to have an effect on voters.
Migrants who were temporarily allowed to live in the United States by using a Biden-era online appointment app have been told to leave the country “immediately,” officials said Monday. It was unclear how many beneficiaries would be affected.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
BREAKING: 60 Minutes just exposed the lie. Over 75% of those deported to El Salvador’s mega-prison are innocent. No crimes. No charges. No justice. This is manufactured fear and state-sanctioned abuse.
I watched the full story this morning. I mean, it's what we all already thought was the case, but now that the details are getting out it's the most blatantly disgusting and vile of human rights violations imaginable. Yet they continue to try and hide behind legal BS. If it was legit, they'd have no problem showing the facts supporting their claims, but they can't so they'll just continue to stall as long as possible hoping people forget or write it off.
The govt appears to be 100% wrong with the MD resident deported to El Salvador , and Robert’s just issued a “terse” statement removing midnight deadline lower court issued to have him brought back.
Not sure what the liberal expectations are regarding upcoming immigration cases, it is well know how this court behaves. To get a better court, in 2026 Democrats need to hold four D senate seats in battleground states, Two of these states lean R, let alone win four republican seats for a senate majority
without the senate the dems may never get to appoint a fourth liberal justice in our lifetime., let alone a fifth. And ten house seats and electoral votes are moving to R states next census.
the situation is dire and the dem party is living fantasies regarding what middle America will tolerate. That’s why we are facing situations like this.
Yes the GOP is currently building a "forevermore" coalition focused on wrecking the stock market, creating a recession and promising to bring back shoe factories. I could not be more nervous.
Man, I remember five years ago when we completely agreed the likes of sanders and warren were far too left to be competitive in national elections. Things have certainly changed. Yeah, The tariffs are horrible. Lost a ton. Probably retiring soon. But We don’t know how that story ends yet. Every time trump is backed into a corner, he comes out ahead, except once. I am referring to structural problems the dems are having with the electorate. For which there are no good answers, despite the amt sarcasm.
whats the path to win the senate? As I said, 2026 is daunting. Sure dems take the house in midterms, there’s your big win, let’s do the Reel, but not much can be done to influence or shape the court with that. And they can’t pass any laws with a divided congress and a R president. So haha, we are great. Keep dancing, enjoy the house. Senate 2028 is even at best, judging by the seats up. The problem is, without those OH MT WV seats, there is a long term problem in the future of the senate, and the senate controls the court, as McConnell proved.
and those ten house seats and electoral votes going south. It’s not just the loss of the seats. People are voting with their a$$es. Dem policies aren’t working. Housing is too expensive among other problems. People are leaving blue states, and we are smug. The dem party is too busy with its darlings, the two topics I point out endlessly. The far left positions on dei and Palestine could not be any more unamerican. But yeah, let’s win voters back with that attitude. They view us as elitists, unrealistic and unamerican. Prove them right.
How have they "certainly changed" from five years ago? I still don't think the very liberal wing can compete nationally.
I'm not a political strategist and I have no interest in being one and it's not my job to figure out how the Democrats need to message more effectively. I view the world through a historical lens and I look for parallels in our history to understand how the next cycle may play out. But as I told you last week, not ten years ago the talking points were "demographics are destiny" and the GOP has nowhere to go, and will continue to entrench into a whiter, more male base. Then not two weeks ago, the talking points were "Democrats are done, there is no party, no message, we're cooked". Then they go out and way over-perform in FL and win Wisconsin. So you'll have to excuse me if I'm not going to burn my mental energy wringing my hands about the Senate. And sure the votes are going South (for now, until they go North because FL is uninhabitable), but they still vote. If they are leaving in droves to affect the blue states, well then they will subsequently affect the red states too by still voting their beliefs. That's how migration works.
So back to where I view the world, it doesn't take long to remember the Smoot-Hawley Act of 1930, which ushered in protectionism at the beginning of the depression. It supercharged the pain and led to four straight wins for FDR and 50 years of House control for the Dems. We could also look at the McKinley Tariffs of 1890 and see that they led to significantly increased prices and electoral wipeout for the Republicans in 1894 and 1898. The overall reaction to the rise of the Robber Barons led to the Progressive Era.
People's votes are fickle for the big chunk of the country that do not live/breathe party politics. Plenty of Obama voters became Trump voters as evidenced by the flip of Iowa and Ohio. Things can flip back and something as significant as creating a recession for no reason and raising prices on everything is bound to have an effect on voters.
Well it’s changed because the “very liberal wing” (there’s a four letter word for that) can not compete, which is my basic premise . Yes trumps tariffs are horrible, but we are at the beginning of that process. He gets a couple of good deals and a big tax cut, he has a chance to survive politically yet again.
The dems message has been absolute trash since Obama retired. We got lucky with Bidens 2020 basement campaign, and the crap they pulled in 2024, ignoring bidens cognitive symptoms and lying about it, and that debate performance. And installing Harris without a vote , all this was the biggest political disaster in a long time. Brought to us by shortsighted dem leadership. Don’t know why anyone trusts what comes out from their political operatives until they gut it and start over.
we commented before the election many times, hoping that the special election trend 2021-2023 was a sign that trumps strong polling was incorrect. Turned out the hope that special elections have merit turned out to be wrong. Surprising you keep going back to these special elections. ill agree that may lead to dem victory in the house midterm, but the senate is ten times more important. And the dems have no path there. So that ends any hope for the Court becoming moderate.
saying voting trends are fickle, yes that’s true but dems have recently been shut out in OH FL IA. These states appear gone. Many believe PA will look more like OH electorally than its eastern neighbors in a few years. which leads us to probably the best politician on the left, Josh Shapiro, who should be our rising star, but likely will be persona non grata due to his lack of woke credibility on the far left,
BREAKING: 60 Minutes just exposed the lie. Over 75% of those deported to El Salvador’s mega-prison are innocent. No crimes. No charges. No justice. This is manufactured fear and state-sanctioned abuse.
I watched the full story this morning. I mean, it's what we all already thought was the case, but now that the details are getting out it's the most blatantly disgusting and vile of human rights violations imaginable. Yet they continue to try and hide behind legal BS. If it was legit, they'd have no problem showing the facts supporting their claims, but they can't so they'll just continue to stall as long as possible hoping people forget or write it off.
The govt appears to be 100% wrong with the MD resident deported to El Salvador , and Robert’s just issued a “terse” statement removing midnight deadline lower court issued to have him brought back.
Not sure what the liberal expectations are regarding upcoming immigration cases, it is well know how this court behaves. To get a better court, in 2026 Democrats need to hold four D senate seats in battleground states, Two of these states lean R, let alone win four republican seats for a senate majority
without the senate the dems may never get to appoint a fourth liberal justice in our lifetime., let alone a fifth. And ten house seats and electoral votes are moving to R states next census.
the situation is dire and the dem party is living fantasies regarding what middle America will tolerate. That’s why we are facing situations like this.
Yes the GOP is currently building a "forevermore" coalition focused on wrecking the stock market, creating a recession and promising to bring back shoe factories. I could not be more nervous.
Man, I remember five years ago when we completely agreed the likes of sanders and warren were far too left to be competitive in national elections. Things have certainly changed. Yeah, The tariffs are horrible. Lost a ton. Probably retiring soon. But We don’t know how that story ends yet. Every time trump is backed into a corner, he comes out ahead, except once. I am referring to structural problems the dems are having with the electorate. For which there are no good answers, despite the amt sarcasm.
whats the path to win the senate? As I said, 2026 is daunting. Sure dems take the house in midterms, there’s your big win, let’s do the Reel, but not much can be done to influence or shape the court with that. And they can’t pass any laws with a divided congress and a R president. So haha, we are great. Keep dancing, enjoy the house. Senate 2028 is even at best, judging by the seats up. The problem is, without those OH MT WV seats, there is a long term problem in the future of the senate, and the senate controls the court, as McConnell proved.
and those ten house seats and electoral votes going south. It’s not just the loss of the seats. People are voting with their a$$es. Dem policies aren’t working. Housing is too expensive among other problems. People are leaving blue states, and we are smug. The dem party is too busy with its darlings, the two topics I point out endlessly. The far left positions on dei and Palestine could not be any more unamerican. But yeah, let’s win voters back with that attitude. They view us as elitists, unrealistic and unamerican. Prove them right.
How have they "certainly changed" from five years ago? I still don't think the very liberal wing can compete nationally.
I'm not a political strategist and I have no interest in being one and it's not my job to figure out how the Democrats need to message more effectively. I view the world through a historical lens and I look for parallels in our history to understand how the next cycle may play out. But as I told you last week, not ten years ago the talking points were "demographics are destiny" and the GOP has nowhere to go, and will continue to entrench into a whiter, more male base. Then not two weeks ago, the talking points were "Democrats are done, there is no party, no message, we're cooked". Then they go out and way over-perform in FL and win Wisconsin. So you'll have to excuse me if I'm not going to burn my mental energy wringing my hands about the Senate. And sure the votes are going South (for now, until they go North because FL is uninhabitable), but they still vote. If they are leaving in droves to affect the blue states, well then they will subsequently affect the red states too by still voting their beliefs. That's how migration works.
So back to where I view the world, it doesn't take long to remember the Smoot-Hawley Act of 1930, which ushered in protectionism at the beginning of the depression. It supercharged the pain and led to four straight wins for FDR and 50 years of House control for the Dems. We could also look at the McKinley Tariffs of 1890 and see that they led to significantly increased prices and electoral wipeout for the Republicans in 1894 and 1898. The overall reaction to the rise of the Robber Barons led to the Progressive Era.
People's votes are fickle for the big chunk of the country that do not live/breathe party politics. Plenty of Obama voters became Trump voters as evidenced by the flip of Iowa and Ohio. Things can flip back and something as significant as creating a recession for no reason and raising prices on everything is bound to have an effect on voters.
Well it’s changed because the “very liberal wing” (there’s a four letter word for that) can not compete, which is my basic premise . Yes trumps tariffs are horrible, but we are at the beginning of that process. He gets a couple of good deals and a big tax cut, he has a chance to survive politically yet again.
The dems message has been absolute trash since Obama retired. We got lucky with Bidens 2020 basement campaign, and the crap they pulled in 2024, ignoring bidens cognitive symptoms and lying about it, and that debate performance. And installing Harris without a vote , all this was the biggest political disaster in a long time. Brought to us by shortsighted dem leadership. Don’t know why anyone trusts what comes out from their political operatives until they gut it and start over.
we commented before the election many times, hoping that the special election trend 2021-2023 was a sign that trumps strong polling was incorrect. Turned out the hope that special elections have merit turned out to be wrong. Surprising you keep going back to these special elections. ill agree that may lead to dem victory in the house midterm, but the senate is ten times more important. And the dems have no path there. So that ends any hope for the Court becoming moderate.
saying voting trends are fickle, yes that’s true but dems have recently been shut out in OH FL IA. These states appear gone. Many believe PA will look more like OH electorally than its eastern neighbors in a few years. which leads us to probably the best politician on the left, Josh Shapiro, who should be our rising star, but likely will be persona non grata due to his lack of woke credibility on the far left,
You have an issue with the mid-terms, special elections, etc. Fine, you only focus on the GE. Well as I said, the D's have lost exactly one in a row. So you don't get to have your arguments both ways.
Second, the tariffs. Maybe we will get "a couple of good deals" and that would be great, and who gives a shit then? The markets will rebound and maybe we'll avoid a recession. But if Trump is even moderately serious with the reasons he put forth, then your statement is fantasy. To wit:
1. He said he is installing tariffs to drive manufacturing back to the US. If this is even slightly true, then zero export tariffs or even zero VAT cannot lead to a lessening of the tariffs. The US labor cost is so high, free trade will NEVER bring manufacturing back to the US. We cannot compete without tariffs.
2. He said that tariffs will be used to generate revenue until manufacturing returns and then the tariffs become less important because we are not importing. Again, if there is a shred of truth to this statement, then free trade or as you say "a few wins" cannot make even the slightest difference. He must keep tariffs in place.
The only way your point makes any sense is if Trump is truly a free-trader and this was all negotiation. But if he was a free trader, he would not have spent 25 years talking up tariffs and believing that a trade deficit equals "getting ripped off". These things cannot all be true.
And what you’ve outlined here is the fact that the Trump voter lives in an alternate reality where facts don’t matter, and a fantasy is built around him. This contradicts your claim that dems lost on the policy issues of dei and Palestine.
‘Muricans, the majority anyway, by their votes or abstention, want a far right authoritarian regime in power. It’s not that Dems have moved too far left, particularly in light of Brandon’s actual policies and Nancy’s reigning in of AOC and The Squad, but rather the repubs way far movement to the extreme far right. That’s the 35% Nazi MAGAs that control the repub party with COOTWH and the billionaires reigning supreme. The far left of the dems? Maybe 8%-12% of the party with no success at controlling or leading the party. Hello, Bernie?
The 40 years it took the far right white Christian nationalists to seize the party and rig the system paid off. But it’s the dems that need to change their messaging and policies. Can’t fix stupid.
And that is the ugly truth when America looks in the mirror. It’s become a white Christian nationalist nation where diversity is viewed as a weakness and white straight males are to reign supreme. Nothing less will be tolerated.
BREAKING: 60 Minutes just exposed the lie. Over 75% of those deported to El Salvador’s mega-prison are innocent. No crimes. No charges. No justice. This is manufactured fear and state-sanctioned abuse.
I watched the full story this morning. I mean, it's what we all already thought was the case, but now that the details are getting out it's the most blatantly disgusting and vile of human rights violations imaginable. Yet they continue to try and hide behind legal BS. If it was legit, they'd have no problem showing the facts supporting their claims, but they can't so they'll just continue to stall as long as possible hoping people forget or write it off.
The govt appears to be 100% wrong with the MD resident deported to El Salvador , and Robert’s just issued a “terse” statement removing midnight deadline lower court issued to have him brought back.
Not sure what the liberal expectations are regarding upcoming immigration cases, it is well know how this court behaves. To get a better court, in 2026 Democrats need to hold four D senate seats in battleground states, Two of these states lean R, let alone win four republican seats for a senate majority
without the senate the dems may never get to appoint a fourth liberal justice in our lifetime., let alone a fifth. And ten house seats and electoral votes are moving to R states next census.
the situation is dire and the dem party is living fantasies regarding what middle America will tolerate. That’s why we are facing situations like this.
Yes the GOP is currently building a "forevermore" coalition focused on wrecking the stock market, creating a recession and promising to bring back shoe factories. I could not be more nervous.
Man, I remember five years ago when we completely agreed the likes of sanders and warren were far too left to be competitive in national elections. Things have certainly changed. Yeah, The tariffs are horrible. Lost a ton. Probably retiring soon. But We don’t know how that story ends yet. Every time trump is backed into a corner, he comes out ahead, except once. I am referring to structural problems the dems are having with the electorate. For which there are no good answers, despite the amt sarcasm.
whats the path to win the senate? As I said, 2026 is daunting. Sure dems take the house in midterms, there’s your big win, let’s do the Reel, but not much can be done to influence or shape the court with that. And they can’t pass any laws with a divided congress and a R president. So haha, we are great. Keep dancing, enjoy the house. Senate 2028 is even at best, judging by the seats up. The problem is, without those OH MT WV seats, there is a long term problem in the future of the senate, and the senate controls the court, as McConnell proved.
and those ten house seats and electoral votes going south. It’s not just the loss of the seats. People are voting with their a$$es. Dem policies aren’t working. Housing is too expensive among other problems. People are leaving blue states, and we are smug. The dem party is too busy with its darlings, the two topics I point out endlessly. The far left positions on dei and Palestine could not be any more unamerican. But yeah, let’s win voters back with that attitude. They view us as elitists, unrealistic and unamerican. Prove them right.
How have they "certainly changed" from five years ago? I still don't think the very liberal wing can compete nationally.
I'm not a political strategist and I have no interest in being one and it's not my job to figure out how the Democrats need to message more effectively. I view the world through a historical lens and I look for parallels in our history to understand how the next cycle may play out. But as I told you last week, not ten years ago the talking points were "demographics are destiny" and the GOP has nowhere to go, and will continue to entrench into a whiter, more male base. Then not two weeks ago, the talking points were "Democrats are done, there is no party, no message, we're cooked". Then they go out and way over-perform in FL and win Wisconsin. So you'll have to excuse me if I'm not going to burn my mental energy wringing my hands about the Senate. And sure the votes are going South (for now, until they go North because FL is uninhabitable), but they still vote. If they are leaving in droves to affect the blue states, well then they will subsequently affect the red states too by still voting their beliefs. That's how migration works.
So back to where I view the world, it doesn't take long to remember the Smoot-Hawley Act of 1930, which ushered in protectionism at the beginning of the depression. It supercharged the pain and led to four straight wins for FDR and 50 years of House control for the Dems. We could also look at the McKinley Tariffs of 1890 and see that they led to significantly increased prices and electoral wipeout for the Republicans in 1894 and 1898. The overall reaction to the rise of the Robber Barons led to the Progressive Era.
People's votes are fickle for the big chunk of the country that do not live/breathe party politics. Plenty of Obama voters became Trump voters as evidenced by the flip of Iowa and Ohio. Things can flip back and something as significant as creating a recession for no reason and raising prices on everything is bound to have an effect on voters.
Well it’s changed because the “very liberal wing” (there’s a four letter word for that) can not compete, which is my basic premise . Yes trumps tariffs are horrible, but we are at the beginning of that process. He gets a couple of good deals and a big tax cut, he has a chance to survive politically yet again.
The dems message has been absolute trash since Obama retired. We got lucky with Bidens 2020 basement campaign, and the crap they pulled in 2024, ignoring bidens cognitive symptoms and lying about it, and that debate performance. And installing Harris without a vote , all this was the biggest political disaster in a long time. Brought to us by shortsighted dem leadership. Don’t know why anyone trusts what comes out from their political operatives until they gut it and start over.
we commented before the election many times, hoping that the special election trend 2021-2023 was a sign that trumps strong polling was incorrect. Turned out the hope that special elections have merit turned out to be wrong. Surprising you keep going back to these special elections. ill agree that may lead to dem victory in the house midterm, but the senate is ten times more important. And the dems have no path there. So that ends any hope for the Court becoming moderate.
saying voting trends are fickle, yes that’s true but dems have recently been shut out in OH FL IA. These states appear gone. Many believe PA will look more like OH electorally than its eastern neighbors in a few years. which leads us to probably the best politician on the left, Josh Shapiro, who should be our rising star, but likely will be persona non grata due to his lack of woke credibility on the far left,
You have an issue with the mid-terms, special elections, etc. Fine, you only focus on the GE. Well as I said, the D's have lost exactly one in a row. So you don't get to have your arguments both ways.
Second, the tariffs. Maybe we will get "a couple of good deals" and that would be great, and who gives a shit then? The markets will rebound and maybe we'll avoid a recession. But if Trump is even moderately serious with the reasons he put forth, then your statement is fantasy. To wit:
1. He said he is installing tariffs to drive manufacturing back to the US. If this is even slightly true, then zero export tariffs or even zero VAT cannot lead to a lessening of the tariffs. The US labor cost is so high, free trade will NEVER bring manufacturing back to the US. We cannot compete without tariffs.
2. He said that tariffs will be used to generate revenue until manufacturing returns and then the tariffs become less important because we are not importing. Again, if there is a shred of truth to this statement, then free trade or as you say "a few wins" cannot make even the slightest difference. He must keep tariffs in place.
The only way your point makes any sense is if Trump is truly a free-trader and this was all negotiation. But if he was a free trader, he would not have spent 25 years talking up tariffs and believing that a trade deficit equals "getting ripped off". These things cannot all be true.
Only stating we were just burned thinking special elections meant something, so although it’s great they did good in WI, I don’t see winning the House next year as meaning much when it comes to power in DC. The Houses main power used to be to investigate, and that has been turned upside down politically.
The immigration Court case is alarming. They affirmed the administration’s power to send immigrants to El Salvador prisons with minimal due process. And they blocked the courts to be able to rule aggregately when the admin aggressively deports. Immigrants need to file habeas corpus individually, which is difficult and very time consuming. This was a huge win by trump, brought to us by the dems becoming less and less of a viable national party
The only way to have power to stop this is by controlling congress and being able to swing the Court a bit towards the center, which requires winning the senate. That requires a center left message.
i give a huge chit about the tariffs , as I’ve been hurt significantly. But my point is simple, if trump doesn’t get the deals he wants, he will fabricate deals to make it look like he got good deals, just like he did with steel in his first term. And the market will recover. Where will the democrats be? Probably falling in love with the ideas of socialists, which is this afternoons direction in other topics on amt.
BREAKING: 60 Minutes just exposed the lie. Over 75% of those deported to El Salvador’s mega-prison are innocent. No crimes. No charges. No justice. This is manufactured fear and state-sanctioned abuse.
I watched the full story this morning. I mean, it's what we all already thought was the case, but now that the details are getting out it's the most blatantly disgusting and vile of human rights violations imaginable. Yet they continue to try and hide behind legal BS. If it was legit, they'd have no problem showing the facts supporting their claims, but they can't so they'll just continue to stall as long as possible hoping people forget or write it off.
The govt appears to be 100% wrong with the MD resident deported to El Salvador , and Robert’s just issued a “terse” statement removing midnight deadline lower court issued to have him brought back.
Not sure what the liberal expectations are regarding upcoming immigration cases, it is well know how this court behaves. To get a better court, in 2026 Democrats need to hold four D senate seats in battleground states, Two of these states lean R, let alone win four republican seats for a senate majority
without the senate the dems may never get to appoint a fourth liberal justice in our lifetime., let alone a fifth. And ten house seats and electoral votes are moving to R states next census.
the situation is dire and the dem party is living fantasies regarding what middle America will tolerate. That’s why we are facing situations like this.
Yes the GOP is currently building a "forevermore" coalition focused on wrecking the stock market, creating a recession and promising to bring back shoe factories. I could not be more nervous.
Man, I remember five years ago when we completely agreed the likes of sanders and warren were far too left to be competitive in national elections. Things have certainly changed. Yeah, The tariffs are horrible. Lost a ton. Probably retiring soon. But We don’t know how that story ends yet. Every time trump is backed into a corner, he comes out ahead, except once. I am referring to structural problems the dems are having with the electorate. For which there are no good answers, despite the amt sarcasm.
whats the path to win the senate? As I said, 2026 is daunting. Sure dems take the house in midterms, there’s your big win, let’s do the Reel, but not much can be done to influence or shape the court with that. And they can’t pass any laws with a divided congress and a R president. So haha, we are great. Keep dancing, enjoy the house. Senate 2028 is even at best, judging by the seats up. The problem is, without those OH MT WV seats, there is a long term problem in the future of the senate, and the senate controls the court, as McConnell proved.
and those ten house seats and electoral votes going south. It’s not just the loss of the seats. People are voting with their a$$es. Dem policies aren’t working. Housing is too expensive among other problems. People are leaving blue states, and we are smug. The dem party is too busy with its darlings, the two topics I point out endlessly. The far left positions on dei and Palestine could not be any more unamerican. But yeah, let’s win voters back with that attitude. They view us as elitists, unrealistic and unamerican. Prove them right.
How have they "certainly changed" from five years ago? I still don't think the very liberal wing can compete nationally.
I'm not a political strategist and I have no interest in being one and it's not my job to figure out how the Democrats need to message more effectively. I view the world through a historical lens and I look for parallels in our history to understand how the next cycle may play out. But as I told you last week, not ten years ago the talking points were "demographics are destiny" and the GOP has nowhere to go, and will continue to entrench into a whiter, more male base. Then not two weeks ago, the talking points were "Democrats are done, there is no party, no message, we're cooked". Then they go out and way over-perform in FL and win Wisconsin. So you'll have to excuse me if I'm not going to burn my mental energy wringing my hands about the Senate. And sure the votes are going South (for now, until they go North because FL is uninhabitable), but they still vote. If they are leaving in droves to affect the blue states, well then they will subsequently affect the red states too by still voting their beliefs. That's how migration works.
So back to where I view the world, it doesn't take long to remember the Smoot-Hawley Act of 1930, which ushered in protectionism at the beginning of the depression. It supercharged the pain and led to four straight wins for FDR and 50 years of House control for the Dems. We could also look at the McKinley Tariffs of 1890 and see that they led to significantly increased prices and electoral wipeout for the Republicans in 1894 and 1898. The overall reaction to the rise of the Robber Barons led to the Progressive Era.
People's votes are fickle for the big chunk of the country that do not live/breathe party politics. Plenty of Obama voters became Trump voters as evidenced by the flip of Iowa and Ohio. Things can flip back and something as significant as creating a recession for no reason and raising prices on everything is bound to have an effect on voters.
Well it’s changed because the “very liberal wing” (there’s a four letter word for that) can not compete, which is my basic premise . Yes trumps tariffs are horrible, but we are at the beginning of that process. He gets a couple of good deals and a big tax cut, he has a chance to survive politically yet again.
The dems message has been absolute trash since Obama retired. We got lucky with Bidens 2020 basement campaign, and the crap they pulled in 2024, ignoring bidens cognitive symptoms and lying about it, and that debate performance. And installing Harris without a vote , all this was the biggest political disaster in a long time. Brought to us by shortsighted dem leadership. Don’t know why anyone trusts what comes out from their political operatives until they gut it and start over.
we commented before the election many times, hoping that the special election trend 2021-2023 was a sign that trumps strong polling was incorrect. Turned out the hope that special elections have merit turned out to be wrong. Surprising you keep going back to these special elections. ill agree that may lead to dem victory in the house midterm, but the senate is ten times more important. And the dems have no path there. So that ends any hope for the Court becoming moderate.
saying voting trends are fickle, yes that’s true but dems have recently been shut out in OH FL IA. These states appear gone. Many believe PA will look more like OH electorally than its eastern neighbors in a few years. which leads us to probably the best politician on the left, Josh Shapiro, who should be our rising star, but likely will be persona non grata due to his lack of woke credibility on the far left,
You have an issue with the mid-terms, special elections, etc. Fine, you only focus on the GE. Well as I said, the D's have lost exactly one in a row. So you don't get to have your arguments both ways.
Second, the tariffs. Maybe we will get "a couple of good deals" and that would be great, and who gives a shit then? The markets will rebound and maybe we'll avoid a recession. But if Trump is even moderately serious with the reasons he put forth, then your statement is fantasy. To wit:
1. He said he is installing tariffs to drive manufacturing back to the US. If this is even slightly true, then zero export tariffs or even zero VAT cannot lead to a lessening of the tariffs. The US labor cost is so high, free trade will NEVER bring manufacturing back to the US. We cannot compete without tariffs.
2. He said that tariffs will be used to generate revenue until manufacturing returns and then the tariffs become less important because we are not importing. Again, if there is a shred of truth to this statement, then free trade or as you say "a few wins" cannot make even the slightest difference. He must keep tariffs in place.
The only way your point makes any sense is if Trump is truly a free-trader and this was all negotiation. But if he was a free trader, he would not have spent 25 years talking up tariffs and believing that a trade deficit equals "getting ripped off". These things cannot all be true.
Only stating we were just burned thinking special elections meant something, so although it’s great they did good in WI, I don’t see winning the House next year as meaning much when it comes to power in DC. The Houses main power used to be to investigate, and that has been turned upside down politically.
The immigration Court case is alarming. They affirmed the administration’s power to send immigrants to El Salvador prisons with minimal due process. And they blocked the courts to be able to rule aggregately when the admin aggressively deports. Immigrants need to file habeas corpus individually, which is difficult and very time consuming. This was a huge win by trump, brought to us by the dems becoming less and less of a viable national party
The only way to have power to stop this is by controlling congress and being able to swing the Court a bit towards the center, which requires winning the senate. That requires a center left message.
i give a huge chit about the tariffs , as I’ve been hurt significantly. But my point is simple, if trump doesn’t get the deals he wants, he will fabricate deals to make it look like he got good deals, just like he did with steel in his first term. And the market will recover. Where will the democrats be? Probably falling in love with the ideas of socialists, which is this afternoons direction in other topics on amt.
No, you either misunderstood the ruling or you are pulling talking points from Fox News. It was not a big win for the admin. It was mostly a loss in principle, victory in procedure.
The SCOTUS ruled that all aliens must be notified of a hearing and have the opportunity to attend with representation. The administration clearly does not want that to happen. Tehy want the ability to declare everyone as an MS-13 member. The procedural victory was that it was brought in the wrong venue under the APA. So now the court of jurisdiction will be Texas rather than DC.
Here is AMC's very clear opening paragraph of his analysis. If you don't subscribe to NRO, you should. They have excellent writing even if I disagree with 75% of their arguments.
It should be strange, yet it was utterly predictable to find President Trump chirping last night as he’d won a great victory after the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that his taking aliens who were facing lawful proceedings, loading them onto planes, and transferring them to a foreign country’s notorious prison — all without notice and an opportunity to be heard in objection to these deportations — profoundly violated the Constitution he is sworn to uphold.
The Court’s unanimity on the important constitutional point is obscured by its 5–4 divide on procedure — i.e., the question of where to sue.
Hence, in endeavoring to make a silk purse of this sow’s ear, the president is aided by the stridency of Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s dissent, joined by her two fellow progressives, Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson, and in part by conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett. For once, I don’t blame Justice Sotomayor for her outrage. Still, the tone belies the narrow technicality of the Court’s divide.
The nine justices are actually in lockstep on the bottom line that the executive branch must heed the Constitution and afford due process of law to those it dubiously accuses of being “alien enemies.”
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BREAKING: 60 Minutes just exposed the lie. Over 75% of those deported to El Salvador’s mega-prison are innocent. No crimes. No charges. No justice. This is manufactured fear and state-sanctioned abuse.
I watched the full story this morning. I mean, it's what we all already thought was the case, but now that the details are getting out it's the most blatantly disgusting and vile of human rights violations imaginable. Yet they continue to try and hide behind legal BS. If it was legit, they'd have no problem showing the facts supporting their claims, but they can't so they'll just continue to stall as long as possible hoping people forget or write it off.
The govt appears to be 100% wrong with the MD resident deported to El Salvador , and Robert’s just issued a “terse” statement removing midnight deadline lower court issued to have him brought back.
Not sure what the liberal expectations are regarding upcoming immigration cases, it is well know how this court behaves. To get a better court, in 2026 Democrats need to hold four D senate seats in battleground states, Two of these states lean R, let alone win four republican seats for a senate majority
without the senate the dems may never get to appoint a fourth liberal justice in our lifetime., let alone a fifth. And ten house seats and electoral votes are moving to R states next census.
the situation is dire and the dem party is living fantasies regarding what middle America will tolerate. That’s why we are facing situations like this.
Yes the GOP is currently building a "forevermore" coalition focused on wrecking the stock market, creating a recession and promising to bring back shoe factories. I could not be more nervous.
Man, I remember five years ago when we completely agreed the likes of sanders and warren were far too left to be competitive in national elections. Things have certainly changed. Yeah, The tariffs are horrible. Lost a ton. Probably retiring soon. But We don’t know how that story ends yet. Every time trump is backed into a corner, he comes out ahead, except once. I am referring to structural problems the dems are having with the electorate. For which there are no good answers, despite the amt sarcasm.
whats the path to win the senate? As I said, 2026 is daunting. Sure dems take the house in midterms, there’s your big win, let’s do the Reel, but not much can be done to influence or shape the court with that. And they can’t pass any laws with a divided congress and a R president. So haha, we are great. Keep dancing, enjoy the house. Senate 2028 is even at best, judging by the seats up. The problem is, without those OH MT WV seats, there is a long term problem in the future of the senate, and the senate controls the court, as McConnell proved.
and those ten house seats and electoral votes going south. It’s not just the loss of the seats. People are voting with their a$$es. Dem policies aren’t working. Housing is too expensive among other problems. People are leaving blue states, and we are smug. The dem party is too busy with its darlings, the two topics I point out endlessly. The far left positions on dei and Palestine could not be any more unamerican. But yeah, let’s win voters back with that attitude. They view us as elitists, unrealistic and unamerican. Prove them right.
How have they "certainly changed" from five years ago? I still don't think the very liberal wing can compete nationally.
I'm not a political strategist and I have no interest in being one and it's not my job to figure out how the Democrats need to message more effectively. I view the world through a historical lens and I look for parallels in our history to understand how the next cycle may play out. But as I told you last week, not ten years ago the talking points were "demographics are destiny" and the GOP has nowhere to go, and will continue to entrench into a whiter, more male base. Then not two weeks ago, the talking points were "Democrats are done, there is no party, no message, we're cooked". Then they go out and way over-perform in FL and win Wisconsin. So you'll have to excuse me if I'm not going to burn my mental energy wringing my hands about the Senate. And sure the votes are going South (for now, until they go North because FL is uninhabitable), but they still vote. If they are leaving in droves to affect the blue states, well then they will subsequently affect the red states too by still voting their beliefs. That's how migration works.
So back to where I view the world, it doesn't take long to remember the Smoot-Hawley Act of 1930, which ushered in protectionism at the beginning of the depression. It supercharged the pain and led to four straight wins for FDR and 50 years of House control for the Dems. We could also look at the McKinley Tariffs of 1890 and see that they led to significantly increased prices and electoral wipeout for the Republicans in 1894 and 1898. The overall reaction to the rise of the Robber Barons led to the Progressive Era.
People's votes are fickle for the big chunk of the country that do not live/breathe party politics. Plenty of Obama voters became Trump voters as evidenced by the flip of Iowa and Ohio. Things can flip back and something as significant as creating a recession for no reason and raising prices on everything is bound to have an effect on voters.
Well it’s changed because the “very liberal wing” (there’s a four letter word for that) can not compete, which is my basic premise . Yes trumps tariffs are horrible, but we are at the beginning of that process. He gets a couple of good deals and a big tax cut, he has a chance to survive politically yet again.
The dems message has been absolute trash since Obama retired. We got lucky with Bidens 2020 basement campaign, and the crap they pulled in 2024, ignoring bidens cognitive symptoms and lying about it, and that debate performance. And installing Harris without a vote , all this was the biggest political disaster in a long time. Brought to us by shortsighted dem leadership. Don’t know why anyone trusts what comes out from their political operatives until they gut it and start over.
we commented before the election many times, hoping that the special election trend 2021-2023 was a sign that trumps strong polling was incorrect. Turned out the hope that special elections have merit turned out to be wrong. Surprising you keep going back to these special elections. ill agree that may lead to dem victory in the house midterm, but the senate is ten times more important. And the dems have no path there. So that ends any hope for the Court becoming moderate.
saying voting trends are fickle, yes that’s true but dems have recently been shut out in OH FL IA. These states appear gone. Many believe PA will look more like OH electorally than its eastern neighbors in a few years. which leads us to probably the best politician on the left, Josh Shapiro, who should be our rising star, but likely will be persona non grata due to his lack of woke credibility on the far left,
You have an issue with the mid-terms, special elections, etc. Fine, you only focus on the GE. Well as I said, the D's have lost exactly one in a row. So you don't get to have your arguments both ways.
Second, the tariffs. Maybe we will get "a couple of good deals" and that would be great, and who gives a shit then? The markets will rebound and maybe we'll avoid a recession. But if Trump is even moderately serious with the reasons he put forth, then your statement is fantasy. To wit:
1. He said he is installing tariffs to drive manufacturing back to the US. If this is even slightly true, then zero export tariffs or even zero VAT cannot lead to a lessening of the tariffs. The US labor cost is so high, free trade will NEVER bring manufacturing back to the US. We cannot compete without tariffs.
2. He said that tariffs will be used to generate revenue until manufacturing returns and then the tariffs become less important because we are not importing. Again, if there is a shred of truth to this statement, then free trade or as you say "a few wins" cannot make even the slightest difference. He must keep tariffs in place.
The only way your point makes any sense is if Trump is truly a free-trader and this was all negotiation. But if he was a free trader, he would not have spent 25 years talking up tariffs and believing that a trade deficit equals "getting ripped off". These things cannot all be true.
Only stating we were just burned thinking special elections meant something, so although it’s great they did good in WI, I don’t see winning the House next year as meaning much when it comes to power in DC. The Houses main power used to be to investigate, and that has been turned upside down politically.
The immigration Court case is alarming. They affirmed the administration’s power to send immigrants to El Salvador prisons with minimal due process. And they blocked the courts to be able to rule aggregately when the admin aggressively deports. Immigrants need to file habeas corpus individually, which is difficult and very time consuming. This was a huge win by trump, brought to us by the dems becoming less and less of a viable national party
The only way to have power to stop this is by controlling congress and being able to swing the Court a bit towards the center, which requires winning the senate. That requires a center left message.
i give a huge chit about the tariffs , as I’ve been hurt significantly. But my point is simple, if trump doesn’t get the deals he wants, he will fabricate deals to make it look like he got good deals, just like he did with steel in his first term. And the market will recover. Where will the democrats be? Probably falling in love with the ideas of socialists, which is this afternoons direction in other topics on amt.
No, you either misunderstood the ruling or you are pulling talking points from Fox News. It was not a big win for the admin. It was mostly a loss in principle, victory in procedure.
The SCOTUS ruled that all aliens must be notified of a hearing and have the opportunity to attend with representation. The administration clearly does not want that to happen. Tehy want the ability to declare everyone as an MS-13 member. The procedural victory was that it was brought in the wrong venue under the APA. So now the court of jurisdiction will be Texas rather than DC.
Here is AMC's very clear opening paragraph of his analysis. If you don't subscribe to NRO, you should. They have excellent writing even if I disagree with 75% of their arguments.
It should be strange, yet it was utterly predictable to find President Trump chirping last night as he’d won a great victory after the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that his taking aliens who were facing lawful proceedings, loading them onto planes, and transferring them to a foreign country’s notorious prison — all without notice and an opportunity to be heard in objection to these deportations — profoundly violated the Constitution he is sworn to uphold.
The Court’s unanimity on the important constitutional point is obscured by its 5–4 divide on procedure — i.e., the question of where to sue.
Hence, in endeavoring to make a silk purse of this sow’s ear, the president is aided by the stridency of Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s dissent, joined by her two fellow progressives, Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson, and in part by conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett. For once, I don’t blame Justice Sotomayor for her outrage. Still, the tone belies the narrow technicality of the Court’s divide.
The nine justices are actually in lockstep on the bottom line that the executive branch must heed the Constitution and afford due process of law to those it dubiously accuses of being “alien enemies.”
I believe that analysis is missing a couple of key points, but at least they did affirm the right to a hearing with representation. Using the APA individually will take an incredibly lengthy and backlogged process and just make it much longer. It will incentivize the admin to continue to try to backlog the process. It’s significant a judge does not have the power in one hearing to stop an outrageous mass deportation with potentially unwarranted incarceration
This ruling threw out the lower judges order to bring them back, did not even provide a path for that to happen. Further, The admin may continue to use the AEA to deport, and hearings to challenge must be individual, which is time consuming, which could keep migrants incarcerated for a long time. And since actions are individually, many will fall thru the cracks.
So the president, to date, still has the right to declare an emergency, throw people in jail, is immune to having a court block this action en masse, but the migrants can get a hearing individually. I see it as a very chilly ruling
the main goal here was to intimidate migrants before they come here. Everyone has seen the CECOT video. And the admin is free to continue. Where they are incarcerated is open for interpretation since the court took no action against their current location
BREAKING: 60 Minutes just exposed the lie. Over 75% of those deported to El Salvador’s mega-prison are innocent. No crimes. No charges. No justice. This is manufactured fear and state-sanctioned abuse.
I watched the full story this morning. I mean, it's what we all already thought was the case, but now that the details are getting out it's the most blatantly disgusting and vile of human rights violations imaginable. Yet they continue to try and hide behind legal BS. If it was legit, they'd have no problem showing the facts supporting their claims, but they can't so they'll just continue to stall as long as possible hoping people forget or write it off.
The govt appears to be 100% wrong with the MD resident deported to El Salvador , and Robert’s just issued a “terse” statement removing midnight deadline lower court issued to have him brought back.
Not sure what the liberal expectations are regarding upcoming immigration cases, it is well know how this court behaves. To get a better court, in 2026 Democrats need to hold four D senate seats in battleground states, Two of these states lean R, let alone win four republican seats for a senate majority
without the senate the dems may never get to appoint a fourth liberal justice in our lifetime., let alone a fifth. And ten house seats and electoral votes are moving to R states next census.
the situation is dire and the dem party is living fantasies regarding what middle America will tolerate. That’s why we are facing situations like this.
Yes the GOP is currently building a "forevermore" coalition focused on wrecking the stock market, creating a recession and promising to bring back shoe factories. I could not be more nervous.
Man, I remember five years ago when we completely agreed the likes of sanders and warren were far too left to be competitive in national elections. Things have certainly changed. Yeah, The tariffs are horrible. Lost a ton. Probably retiring soon. But We don’t know how that story ends yet. Every time trump is backed into a corner, he comes out ahead, except once. I am referring to structural problems the dems are having with the electorate. For which there are no good answers, despite the amt sarcasm.
whats the path to win the senate? As I said, 2026 is daunting. Sure dems take the house in midterms, there’s your big win, let’s do the Reel, but not much can be done to influence or shape the court with that. And they can’t pass any laws with a divided congress and a R president. So haha, we are great. Keep dancing, enjoy the house. Senate 2028 is even at best, judging by the seats up. The problem is, without those OH MT WV seats, there is a long term problem in the future of the senate, and the senate controls the court, as McConnell proved.
and those ten house seats and electoral votes going south. It’s not just the loss of the seats. People are voting with their a$$es. Dem policies aren’t working. Housing is too expensive among other problems. People are leaving blue states, and we are smug. The dem party is too busy with its darlings, the two topics I point out endlessly. The far left positions on dei and Palestine could not be any more unamerican. But yeah, let’s win voters back with that attitude. They view us as elitists, unrealistic and unamerican. Prove them right.
How have they "certainly changed" from five years ago? I still don't think the very liberal wing can compete nationally.
I'm not a political strategist and I have no interest in being one and it's not my job to figure out how the Democrats need to message more effectively. I view the world through a historical lens and I look for parallels in our history to understand how the next cycle may play out. But as I told you last week, not ten years ago the talking points were "demographics are destiny" and the GOP has nowhere to go, and will continue to entrench into a whiter, more male base. Then not two weeks ago, the talking points were "Democrats are done, there is no party, no message, we're cooked". Then they go out and way over-perform in FL and win Wisconsin. So you'll have to excuse me if I'm not going to burn my mental energy wringing my hands about the Senate. And sure the votes are going South (for now, until they go North because FL is uninhabitable), but they still vote. If they are leaving in droves to affect the blue states, well then they will subsequently affect the red states too by still voting their beliefs. That's how migration works.
So back to where I view the world, it doesn't take long to remember the Smoot-Hawley Act of 1930, which ushered in protectionism at the beginning of the depression. It supercharged the pain and led to four straight wins for FDR and 50 years of House control for the Dems. We could also look at the McKinley Tariffs of 1890 and see that they led to significantly increased prices and electoral wipeout for the Republicans in 1894 and 1898. The overall reaction to the rise of the Robber Barons led to the Progressive Era.
People's votes are fickle for the big chunk of the country that do not live/breathe party politics. Plenty of Obama voters became Trump voters as evidenced by the flip of Iowa and Ohio. Things can flip back and something as significant as creating a recession for no reason and raising prices on everything is bound to have an effect on voters.
Well it’s changed because the “very liberal wing” (there’s a four letter word for that) can not compete, which is my basic premise . Yes trumps tariffs are horrible, but we are at the beginning of that process. He gets a couple of good deals and a big tax cut, he has a chance to survive politically yet again.
The dems message has been absolute trash since Obama retired. We got lucky with Bidens 2020 basement campaign, and the crap they pulled in 2024, ignoring bidens cognitive symptoms and lying about it, and that debate performance. And installing Harris without a vote , all this was the biggest political disaster in a long time. Brought to us by shortsighted dem leadership. Don’t know why anyone trusts what comes out from their political operatives until they gut it and start over.
we commented before the election many times, hoping that the special election trend 2021-2023 was a sign that trumps strong polling was incorrect. Turned out the hope that special elections have merit turned out to be wrong. Surprising you keep going back to these special elections. ill agree that may lead to dem victory in the house midterm, but the senate is ten times more important. And the dems have no path there. So that ends any hope for the Court becoming moderate.
saying voting trends are fickle, yes that’s true but dems have recently been shut out in OH FL IA. These states appear gone. Many believe PA will look more like OH electorally than its eastern neighbors in a few years. which leads us to probably the best politician on the left, Josh Shapiro, who should be our rising star, but likely will be persona non grata due to his lack of woke credibility on the far left,
You have an issue with the mid-terms, special elections, etc. Fine, you only focus on the GE. Well as I said, the D's have lost exactly one in a row. So you don't get to have your arguments both ways.
Second, the tariffs. Maybe we will get "a couple of good deals" and that would be great, and who gives a shit then? The markets will rebound and maybe we'll avoid a recession. But if Trump is even moderately serious with the reasons he put forth, then your statement is fantasy. To wit:
1. He said he is installing tariffs to drive manufacturing back to the US. If this is even slightly true, then zero export tariffs or even zero VAT cannot lead to a lessening of the tariffs. The US labor cost is so high, free trade will NEVER bring manufacturing back to the US. We cannot compete without tariffs.
2. He said that tariffs will be used to generate revenue until manufacturing returns and then the tariffs become less important because we are not importing. Again, if there is a shred of truth to this statement, then free trade or as you say "a few wins" cannot make even the slightest difference. He must keep tariffs in place.
The only way your point makes any sense is if Trump is truly a free-trader and this was all negotiation. But if he was a free trader, he would not have spent 25 years talking up tariffs and believing that a trade deficit equals "getting ripped off". These things cannot all be true.
Only stating we were just burned thinking special elections meant something, so although it’s great they did good in WI, I don’t see winning the House next year as meaning much when it comes to power in DC. The Houses main power used to be to investigate, and that has been turned upside down politically.
The immigration Court case is alarming. They affirmed the administration’s power to send immigrants to El Salvador prisons with minimal due process. And they blocked the courts to be able to rule aggregately when the admin aggressively deports. Immigrants need to file habeas corpus individually, which is difficult and very time consuming. This was a huge win by trump, brought to us by the dems becoming less and less of a viable national party
The only way to have power to stop this is by controlling congress and being able to swing the Court a bit towards the center, which requires winning the senate. That requires a center left message.
i give a huge chit about the tariffs , as I’ve been hurt significantly. But my point is simple, if trump doesn’t get the deals he wants, he will fabricate deals to make it look like he got good deals, just like he did with steel in his first term. And the market will recover. Where will the democrats be? Probably falling in love with the ideas of socialists, which is this afternoons direction in other topics on amt.
No, you either misunderstood the ruling or you are pulling talking points from Fox News. It was not a big win for the admin. It was mostly a loss in principle, victory in procedure.
The SCOTUS ruled that all aliens must be notified of a hearing and have the opportunity to attend with representation. The administration clearly does not want that to happen. Tehy want the ability to declare everyone as an MS-13 member. The procedural victory was that it was brought in the wrong venue under the APA. So now the court of jurisdiction will be Texas rather than DC.
Here is AMC's very clear opening paragraph of his analysis. If you don't subscribe to NRO, you should. They have excellent writing even if I disagree with 75% of their arguments.
It should be strange, yet it was utterly predictable to find President Trump chirping last night as he’d won a great victory after the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that his taking aliens who were facing lawful proceedings, loading them onto planes, and transferring them to a foreign country’s notorious prison — all without notice and an opportunity to be heard in objection to these deportations — profoundly violated the Constitution he is sworn to uphold.
The Court’s unanimity on the important constitutional point is obscured by its 5–4 divide on procedure — i.e., the question of where to sue.
Hence, in endeavoring to make a silk purse of this sow’s ear, the president is aided by the stridency of Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s dissent, joined by her two fellow progressives, Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson, and in part by conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett. For once, I don’t blame Justice Sotomayor for her outrage. Still, the tone belies the narrow technicality of the Court’s divide.
The nine justices are actually in lockstep on the bottom line that the executive branch must heed the Constitution and afford due process of law to those it dubiously accuses of being “alien enemies.”
I believe that analysis is missing a couple of key points, but at least they did affirm the right to a hearing with representation. Using the APA individually will take an incredibly lengthy and backlogged process and just make it much longer. It will incentivize the admin to continue to try to backlog the process. It’s significant a judge does not have the power in one hearing to stop an outrageous mass deportation with potentially unwarranted incarceration
This ruling threw out the lower judges order to bring them back, did not even provide a path for that to happen. Further, The admin may continue to use the AEA to deport, and hearings to challenge must be individual, which is time consuming, which could keep migrants incarcerated for a long time. And since actions are individually, many will fall thru the cracks.
So the president, to date, still has the right to declare an emergency, throw people in jail, is immune to having a court block this action en masse, but the migrants can get a hearing individually. I see it as a very chilly ruling
the main goal here was to intimidate migrants before they come here. Everyone has seen the CECOT video. And the admin is free to continue. Where they are incarcerated is open for interpretation since the court took no action against their current location
The court didn't rule that the individual did or did not have to come back. The court ruled that the case should be litigated in TX, which means the MD gentleman will have a hearing in the Texas circuit.
BREAKING: 60 Minutes just exposed the lie. Over 75% of those deported to El Salvador’s mega-prison are innocent. No crimes. No charges. No justice. This is manufactured fear and state-sanctioned abuse.
I watched the full story this morning. I mean, it's what we all already thought was the case, but now that the details are getting out it's the most blatantly disgusting and vile of human rights violations imaginable. Yet they continue to try and hide behind legal BS. If it was legit, they'd have no problem showing the facts supporting their claims, but they can't so they'll just continue to stall as long as possible hoping people forget or write it off.
The govt appears to be 100% wrong with the MD resident deported to El Salvador , and Robert’s just issued a “terse” statement removing midnight deadline lower court issued to have him brought back.
Not sure what the liberal expectations are regarding upcoming immigration cases, it is well know how this court behaves. To get a better court, in 2026 Democrats need to hold four D senate seats in battleground states, Two of these states lean R, let alone win four republican seats for a senate majority
without the senate the dems may never get to appoint a fourth liberal justice in our lifetime., let alone a fifth. And ten house seats and electoral votes are moving to R states next census.
the situation is dire and the dem party is living fantasies regarding what middle America will tolerate. That’s why we are facing situations like this.
Yes the GOP is currently building a "forevermore" coalition focused on wrecking the stock market, creating a recession and promising to bring back shoe factories. I could not be more nervous.
Man, I remember five years ago when we completely agreed the likes of sanders and warren were far too left to be competitive in national elections. Things have certainly changed. Yeah, The tariffs are horrible. Lost a ton. Probably retiring soon. But We don’t know how that story ends yet. Every time trump is backed into a corner, he comes out ahead, except once. I am referring to structural problems the dems are having with the electorate. For which there are no good answers, despite the amt sarcasm.
whats the path to win the senate? As I said, 2026 is daunting. Sure dems take the house in midterms, there’s your big win, let’s do the Reel, but not much can be done to influence or shape the court with that. And they can’t pass any laws with a divided congress and a R president. So haha, we are great. Keep dancing, enjoy the house. Senate 2028 is even at best, judging by the seats up. The problem is, without those OH MT WV seats, there is a long term problem in the future of the senate, and the senate controls the court, as McConnell proved.
and those ten house seats and electoral votes going south. It’s not just the loss of the seats. People are voting with their a$$es. Dem policies aren’t working. Housing is too expensive among other problems. People are leaving blue states, and we are smug. The dem party is too busy with its darlings, the two topics I point out endlessly. The far left positions on dei and Palestine could not be any more unamerican. But yeah, let’s win voters back with that attitude. They view us as elitists, unrealistic and unamerican. Prove them right.
How have they "certainly changed" from five years ago? I still don't think the very liberal wing can compete nationally.
I'm not a political strategist and I have no interest in being one and it's not my job to figure out how the Democrats need to message more effectively. I view the world through a historical lens and I look for parallels in our history to understand how the next cycle may play out. But as I told you last week, not ten years ago the talking points were "demographics are destiny" and the GOP has nowhere to go, and will continue to entrench into a whiter, more male base. Then not two weeks ago, the talking points were "Democrats are done, there is no party, no message, we're cooked". Then they go out and way over-perform in FL and win Wisconsin. So you'll have to excuse me if I'm not going to burn my mental energy wringing my hands about the Senate. And sure the votes are going South (for now, until they go North because FL is uninhabitable), but they still vote. If they are leaving in droves to affect the blue states, well then they will subsequently affect the red states too by still voting their beliefs. That's how migration works.
So back to where I view the world, it doesn't take long to remember the Smoot-Hawley Act of 1930, which ushered in protectionism at the beginning of the depression. It supercharged the pain and led to four straight wins for FDR and 50 years of House control for the Dems. We could also look at the McKinley Tariffs of 1890 and see that they led to significantly increased prices and electoral wipeout for the Republicans in 1894 and 1898. The overall reaction to the rise of the Robber Barons led to the Progressive Era.
People's votes are fickle for the big chunk of the country that do not live/breathe party politics. Plenty of Obama voters became Trump voters as evidenced by the flip of Iowa and Ohio. Things can flip back and something as significant as creating a recession for no reason and raising prices on everything is bound to have an effect on voters.
Well it’s changed because the “very liberal wing” (there’s a four letter word for that) can not compete, which is my basic premise . Yes trumps tariffs are horrible, but we are at the beginning of that process. He gets a couple of good deals and a big tax cut, he has a chance to survive politically yet again.
The dems message has been absolute trash since Obama retired. We got lucky with Bidens 2020 basement campaign, and the crap they pulled in 2024, ignoring bidens cognitive symptoms and lying about it, and that debate performance. And installing Harris without a vote , all this was the biggest political disaster in a long time. Brought to us by shortsighted dem leadership. Don’t know why anyone trusts what comes out from their political operatives until they gut it and start over.
we commented before the election many times, hoping that the special election trend 2021-2023 was a sign that trumps strong polling was incorrect. Turned out the hope that special elections have merit turned out to be wrong. Surprising you keep going back to these special elections. ill agree that may lead to dem victory in the house midterm, but the senate is ten times more important. And the dems have no path there. So that ends any hope for the Court becoming moderate.
saying voting trends are fickle, yes that’s true but dems have recently been shut out in OH FL IA. These states appear gone. Many believe PA will look more like OH electorally than its eastern neighbors in a few years. which leads us to probably the best politician on the left, Josh Shapiro, who should be our rising star, but likely will be persona non grata due to his lack of woke credibility on the far left,
You have an issue with the mid-terms, special elections, etc. Fine, you only focus on the GE. Well as I said, the D's have lost exactly one in a row. So you don't get to have your arguments both ways.
Second, the tariffs. Maybe we will get "a couple of good deals" and that would be great, and who gives a shit then? The markets will rebound and maybe we'll avoid a recession. But if Trump is even moderately serious with the reasons he put forth, then your statement is fantasy. To wit:
1. He said he is installing tariffs to drive manufacturing back to the US. If this is even slightly true, then zero export tariffs or even zero VAT cannot lead to a lessening of the tariffs. The US labor cost is so high, free trade will NEVER bring manufacturing back to the US. We cannot compete without tariffs.
2. He said that tariffs will be used to generate revenue until manufacturing returns and then the tariffs become less important because we are not importing. Again, if there is a shred of truth to this statement, then free trade or as you say "a few wins" cannot make even the slightest difference. He must keep tariffs in place.
The only way your point makes any sense is if Trump is truly a free-trader and this was all negotiation. But if he was a free trader, he would not have spent 25 years talking up tariffs and believing that a trade deficit equals "getting ripped off". These things cannot all be true.
Only stating we were just burned thinking special elections meant something, so although it’s great they did good in WI, I don’t see winning the House next year as meaning much when it comes to power in DC. The Houses main power used to be to investigate, and that has been turned upside down politically.
The immigration Court case is alarming. They affirmed the administration’s power to send immigrants to El Salvador prisons with minimal due process. And they blocked the courts to be able to rule aggregately when the admin aggressively deports. Immigrants need to file habeas corpus individually, which is difficult and very time consuming. This was a huge win by trump, brought to us by the dems becoming less and less of a viable national party
The only way to have power to stop this is by controlling congress and being able to swing the Court a bit towards the center, which requires winning the senate. That requires a center left message.
i give a huge chit about the tariffs , as I’ve been hurt significantly. But my point is simple, if trump doesn’t get the deals he wants, he will fabricate deals to make it look like he got good deals, just like he did with steel in his first term. And the market will recover. Where will the democrats be? Probably falling in love with the ideas of socialists, which is this afternoons direction in other topics on amt.
No, you either misunderstood the ruling or you are pulling talking points from Fox News. It was not a big win for the admin. It was mostly a loss in principle, victory in procedure.
The SCOTUS ruled that all aliens must be notified of a hearing and have the opportunity to attend with representation. The administration clearly does not want that to happen. Tehy want the ability to declare everyone as an MS-13 member. The procedural victory was that it was brought in the wrong venue under the APA. So now the court of jurisdiction will be Texas rather than DC.
Here is AMC's very clear opening paragraph of his analysis. If you don't subscribe to NRO, you should. They have excellent writing even if I disagree with 75% of their arguments.
It should be strange, yet it was utterly predictable to find President Trump chirping last night as he’d won a great victory after the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that his taking aliens who were facing lawful proceedings, loading them onto planes, and transferring them to a foreign country’s notorious prison — all without notice and an opportunity to be heard in objection to these deportations — profoundly violated the Constitution he is sworn to uphold.
The Court’s unanimity on the important constitutional point is obscured by its 5–4 divide on procedure — i.e., the question of where to sue.
Hence, in endeavoring to make a silk purse of this sow’s ear, the president is aided by the stridency of Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s dissent, joined by her two fellow progressives, Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson, and in part by conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett. For once, I don’t blame Justice Sotomayor for her outrage. Still, the tone belies the narrow technicality of the Court’s divide.
The nine justices are actually in lockstep on the bottom line that the executive branch must heed the Constitution and afford due process of law to those it dubiously accuses of being “alien enemies.”
I believe that analysis is missing a couple of key points, but at least they did affirm the right to a hearing with representation. Using the APA individually will take an incredibly lengthy and backlogged process and just make it much longer. It will incentivize the admin to continue to try to backlog the process. It’s significant a judge does not have the power in one hearing to stop an outrageous mass deportation with potentially unwarranted incarceration
This ruling threw out the lower judges order to bring them back, did not even provide a path for that to happen. Further, The admin may continue to use the AEA to deport, and hearings to challenge must be individual, which is time consuming, which could keep migrants incarcerated for a long time. And since actions are individually, many will fall thru the cracks.
So the president, to date, still has the right to declare an emergency, throw people in jail, is immune to having a court block this action en masse, but the migrants can get a hearing individually. I see it as a very chilly ruling
the main goal here was to intimidate migrants before they come here. Everyone has seen the CECOT video. And the admin is free to continue. Where they are incarcerated is open for interpretation since the court took no action against their current location
BREAKING: 60 Minutes just exposed the lie. Over 75% of those deported to El Salvador’s mega-prison are innocent. No crimes. No charges. No justice. This is manufactured fear and state-sanctioned abuse.
I watched the full story this morning. I mean, it's what we all already thought was the case, but now that the details are getting out it's the most blatantly disgusting and vile of human rights violations imaginable. Yet they continue to try and hide behind legal BS. If it was legit, they'd have no problem showing the facts supporting their claims, but they can't so they'll just continue to stall as long as possible hoping people forget or write it off.
The govt appears to be 100% wrong with the MD resident deported to El Salvador , and Robert’s just issued a “terse” statement removing midnight deadline lower court issued to have him brought back.
Not sure what the liberal expectations are regarding upcoming immigration cases, it is well know how this court behaves. To get a better court, in 2026 Democrats need to hold four D senate seats in battleground states, Two of these states lean R, let alone win four republican seats for a senate majority
without the senate the dems may never get to appoint a fourth liberal justice in our lifetime., let alone a fifth. And ten house seats and electoral votes are moving to R states next census.
the situation is dire and the dem party is living fantasies regarding what middle America will tolerate. That’s why we are facing situations like this.
Yes the GOP is currently building a "forevermore" coalition focused on wrecking the stock market, creating a recession and promising to bring back shoe factories. I could not be more nervous.
Man, I remember five years ago when we completely agreed the likes of sanders and warren were far too left to be competitive in national elections. Things have certainly changed. Yeah, The tariffs are horrible. Lost a ton. Probably retiring soon. But We don’t know how that story ends yet. Every time trump is backed into a corner, he comes out ahead, except once. I am referring to structural problems the dems are having with the electorate. For which there are no good answers, despite the amt sarcasm.
whats the path to win the senate? As I said, 2026 is daunting. Sure dems take the house in midterms, there’s your big win, let’s do the Reel, but not much can be done to influence or shape the court with that. And they can’t pass any laws with a divided congress and a R president. So haha, we are great. Keep dancing, enjoy the house. Senate 2028 is even at best, judging by the seats up. The problem is, without those OH MT WV seats, there is a long term problem in the future of the senate, and the senate controls the court, as McConnell proved.
and those ten house seats and electoral votes going south. It’s not just the loss of the seats. People are voting with their a$$es. Dem policies aren’t working. Housing is too expensive among other problems. People are leaving blue states, and we are smug. The dem party is too busy with its darlings, the two topics I point out endlessly. The far left positions on dei and Palestine could not be any more unamerican. But yeah, let’s win voters back with that attitude. They view us as elitists, unrealistic and unamerican. Prove them right.
How have they "certainly changed" from five years ago? I still don't think the very liberal wing can compete nationally.
I'm not a political strategist and I have no interest in being one and it's not my job to figure out how the Democrats need to message more effectively. I view the world through a historical lens and I look for parallels in our history to understand how the next cycle may play out. But as I told you last week, not ten years ago the talking points were "demographics are destiny" and the GOP has nowhere to go, and will continue to entrench into a whiter, more male base. Then not two weeks ago, the talking points were "Democrats are done, there is no party, no message, we're cooked". Then they go out and way over-perform in FL and win Wisconsin. So you'll have to excuse me if I'm not going to burn my mental energy wringing my hands about the Senate. And sure the votes are going South (for now, until they go North because FL is uninhabitable), but they still vote. If they are leaving in droves to affect the blue states, well then they will subsequently affect the red states too by still voting their beliefs. That's how migration works.
So back to where I view the world, it doesn't take long to remember the Smoot-Hawley Act of 1930, which ushered in protectionism at the beginning of the depression. It supercharged the pain and led to four straight wins for FDR and 50 years of House control for the Dems. We could also look at the McKinley Tariffs of 1890 and see that they led to significantly increased prices and electoral wipeout for the Republicans in 1894 and 1898. The overall reaction to the rise of the Robber Barons led to the Progressive Era.
People's votes are fickle for the big chunk of the country that do not live/breathe party politics. Plenty of Obama voters became Trump voters as evidenced by the flip of Iowa and Ohio. Things can flip back and something as significant as creating a recession for no reason and raising prices on everything is bound to have an effect on voters.
Well it’s changed because the “very liberal wing” (there’s a four letter word for that) can not compete, which is my basic premise . Yes trumps tariffs are horrible, but we are at the beginning of that process. He gets a couple of good deals and a big tax cut, he has a chance to survive politically yet again.
The dems message has been absolute trash since Obama retired. We got lucky with Bidens 2020 basement campaign, and the crap they pulled in 2024, ignoring bidens cognitive symptoms and lying about it, and that debate performance. And installing Harris without a vote , all this was the biggest political disaster in a long time. Brought to us by shortsighted dem leadership. Don’t know why anyone trusts what comes out from their political operatives until they gut it and start over.
we commented before the election many times, hoping that the special election trend 2021-2023 was a sign that trumps strong polling was incorrect. Turned out the hope that special elections have merit turned out to be wrong. Surprising you keep going back to these special elections. ill agree that may lead to dem victory in the house midterm, but the senate is ten times more important. And the dems have no path there. So that ends any hope for the Court becoming moderate.
saying voting trends are fickle, yes that’s true but dems have recently been shut out in OH FL IA. These states appear gone. Many believe PA will look more like OH electorally than its eastern neighbors in a few years. which leads us to probably the best politician on the left, Josh Shapiro, who should be our rising star, but likely will be persona non grata due to his lack of woke credibility on the far left,
You have an issue with the mid-terms, special elections, etc. Fine, you only focus on the GE. Well as I said, the D's have lost exactly one in a row. So you don't get to have your arguments both ways.
Second, the tariffs. Maybe we will get "a couple of good deals" and that would be great, and who gives a shit then? The markets will rebound and maybe we'll avoid a recession. But if Trump is even moderately serious with the reasons he put forth, then your statement is fantasy. To wit:
1. He said he is installing tariffs to drive manufacturing back to the US. If this is even slightly true, then zero export tariffs or even zero VAT cannot lead to a lessening of the tariffs. The US labor cost is so high, free trade will NEVER bring manufacturing back to the US. We cannot compete without tariffs.
2. He said that tariffs will be used to generate revenue until manufacturing returns and then the tariffs become less important because we are not importing. Again, if there is a shred of truth to this statement, then free trade or as you say "a few wins" cannot make even the slightest difference. He must keep tariffs in place.
The only way your point makes any sense is if Trump is truly a free-trader and this was all negotiation. But if he was a free trader, he would not have spent 25 years talking up tariffs and believing that a trade deficit equals "getting ripped off". These things cannot all be true.
Only stating we were just burned thinking special elections meant something, so although it’s great they did good in WI, I don’t see winning the House next year as meaning much when it comes to power in DC. The Houses main power used to be to investigate, and that has been turned upside down politically.
The immigration Court case is alarming. They affirmed the administration’s power to send immigrants to El Salvador prisons with minimal due process. And they blocked the courts to be able to rule aggregately when the admin aggressively deports. Immigrants need to file habeas corpus individually, which is difficult and very time consuming. This was a huge win by trump, brought to us by the dems becoming less and less of a viable national party
The only way to have power to stop this is by controlling congress and being able to swing the Court a bit towards the center, which requires winning the senate. That requires a center left message.
i give a huge chit about the tariffs , as I’ve been hurt significantly. But my point is simple, if trump doesn’t get the deals he wants, he will fabricate deals to make it look like he got good deals, just like he did with steel in his first term. And the market will recover. Where will the democrats be? Probably falling in love with the ideas of socialists, which is this afternoons direction in other topics on amt.
No, you either misunderstood the ruling or you are pulling talking points from Fox News. It was not a big win for the admin. It was mostly a loss in principle, victory in procedure.
The SCOTUS ruled that all aliens must be notified of a hearing and have the opportunity to attend with representation. The administration clearly does not want that to happen. Tehy want the ability to declare everyone as an MS-13 member. The procedural victory was that it was brought in the wrong venue under the APA. So now the court of jurisdiction will be Texas rather than DC.
Here is AMC's very clear opening paragraph of his analysis. If you don't subscribe to NRO, you should. They have excellent writing even if I disagree with 75% of their arguments.
It should be strange, yet it was utterly predictable to find President Trump chirping last night as he’d won a great victory after the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that his taking aliens who were facing lawful proceedings, loading them onto planes, and transferring them to a foreign country’s notorious prison — all without notice and an opportunity to be heard in objection to these deportations — profoundly violated the Constitution he is sworn to uphold.
The Court’s unanimity on the important constitutional point is obscured by its 5–4 divide on procedure — i.e., the question of where to sue.
Hence, in endeavoring to make a silk purse of this sow’s ear, the president is aided by the stridency of Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s dissent, joined by her two fellow progressives, Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson, and in part by conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett. For once, I don’t blame Justice Sotomayor for her outrage. Still, the tone belies the narrow technicality of the Court’s divide.
The nine justices are actually in lockstep on the bottom line that the executive branch must heed the Constitution and afford due process of law to those it dubiously accuses of being “alien enemies.”
I believe that analysis is missing a couple of key points, but at least they did affirm the right to a hearing with representation. Using the APA individually will take an incredibly lengthy and backlogged process and just make it much longer. It will incentivize the admin to continue to try to backlog the process. It’s significant a judge does not have the power in one hearing to stop an outrageous mass deportation with potentially unwarranted incarceration
This ruling threw out the lower judges order to bring them back, did not even provide a path for that to happen. Further, The admin may continue to use the AEA to deport, and hearings to challenge must be individual, which is time consuming, which could keep migrants incarcerated for a long time. And since actions are individually, many will fall thru the cracks.
So the president, to date, still has the right to declare an emergency, throw people in jail, is immune to having a court block this action en masse, but the migrants can get a hearing individually. I see it as a very chilly ruling
the main goal here was to intimidate migrants before they come here. Everyone has seen the CECOT video. And the admin is free to continue. Where they are incarcerated is open for interpretation since the court took no action against their current location
The court didn't rule that the individual did or did not have to come back. The court ruled that the case should be litigated in TX, which means the MD gentleman will have a hearing in the Texas circuit.
Right, but they lifted Boasbergs ruling, that’s my point. That case is done AFAIK for that judge. Entities like the ACLU will have significant difficulty to step in and stop an action en masse. Cases need to be heard individually, which is expensive and time consuming. Will detainees be sitting in detention centers for months? Years? Many will slip thru the cracks. Also, The Court seems to have no problem with the use of the emergency action under AEA.
BREAKING: 60 Minutes just exposed the lie. Over 75% of those deported to El Salvador’s mega-prison are innocent. No crimes. No charges. No justice. This is manufactured fear and state-sanctioned abuse.
I watched the full story this morning. I mean, it's what we all already thought was the case, but now that the details are getting out it's the most blatantly disgusting and vile of human rights violations imaginable. Yet they continue to try and hide behind legal BS. If it was legit, they'd have no problem showing the facts supporting their claims, but they can't so they'll just continue to stall as long as possible hoping people forget or write it off.
The govt appears to be 100% wrong with the MD resident deported to El Salvador , and Robert’s just issued a “terse” statement removing midnight deadline lower court issued to have him brought back.
Not sure what the liberal expectations are regarding upcoming immigration cases, it is well know how this court behaves. To get a better court, in 2026 Democrats need to hold four D senate seats in battleground states, Two of these states lean R, let alone win four republican seats for a senate majority
without the senate the dems may never get to appoint a fourth liberal justice in our lifetime., let alone a fifth. And ten house seats and electoral votes are moving to R states next census.
the situation is dire and the dem party is living fantasies regarding what middle America will tolerate. That’s why we are facing situations like this.
Yes the GOP is currently building a "forevermore" coalition focused on wrecking the stock market, creating a recession and promising to bring back shoe factories. I could not be more nervous.
Man, I remember five years ago when we completely agreed the likes of sanders and warren were far too left to be competitive in national elections. Things have certainly changed. Yeah, The tariffs are horrible. Lost a ton. Probably retiring soon. But We don’t know how that story ends yet. Every time trump is backed into a corner, he comes out ahead, except once. I am referring to structural problems the dems are having with the electorate. For which there are no good answers, despite the amt sarcasm.
whats the path to win the senate? As I said, 2026 is daunting. Sure dems take the house in midterms, there’s your big win, let’s do the Reel, but not much can be done to influence or shape the court with that. And they can’t pass any laws with a divided congress and a R president. So haha, we are great. Keep dancing, enjoy the house. Senate 2028 is even at best, judging by the seats up. The problem is, without those OH MT WV seats, there is a long term problem in the future of the senate, and the senate controls the court, as McConnell proved.
and those ten house seats and electoral votes going south. It’s not just the loss of the seats. People are voting with their a$$es. Dem policies aren’t working. Housing is too expensive among other problems. People are leaving blue states, and we are smug. The dem party is too busy with its darlings, the two topics I point out endlessly. The far left positions on dei and Palestine could not be any more unamerican. But yeah, let’s win voters back with that attitude. They view us as elitists, unrealistic and unamerican. Prove them right.
How have they "certainly changed" from five years ago? I still don't think the very liberal wing can compete nationally.
I'm not a political strategist and I have no interest in being one and it's not my job to figure out how the Democrats need to message more effectively. I view the world through a historical lens and I look for parallels in our history to understand how the next cycle may play out. But as I told you last week, not ten years ago the talking points were "demographics are destiny" and the GOP has nowhere to go, and will continue to entrench into a whiter, more male base. Then not two weeks ago, the talking points were "Democrats are done, there is no party, no message, we're cooked". Then they go out and way over-perform in FL and win Wisconsin. So you'll have to excuse me if I'm not going to burn my mental energy wringing my hands about the Senate. And sure the votes are going South (for now, until they go North because FL is uninhabitable), but they still vote. If they are leaving in droves to affect the blue states, well then they will subsequently affect the red states too by still voting their beliefs. That's how migration works.
So back to where I view the world, it doesn't take long to remember the Smoot-Hawley Act of 1930, which ushered in protectionism at the beginning of the depression. It supercharged the pain and led to four straight wins for FDR and 50 years of House control for the Dems. We could also look at the McKinley Tariffs of 1890 and see that they led to significantly increased prices and electoral wipeout for the Republicans in 1894 and 1898. The overall reaction to the rise of the Robber Barons led to the Progressive Era.
People's votes are fickle for the big chunk of the country that do not live/breathe party politics. Plenty of Obama voters became Trump voters as evidenced by the flip of Iowa and Ohio. Things can flip back and something as significant as creating a recession for no reason and raising prices on everything is bound to have an effect on voters.
Well it’s changed because the “very liberal wing” (there’s a four letter word for that) can not compete, which is my basic premise . Yes trumps tariffs are horrible, but we are at the beginning of that process. He gets a couple of good deals and a big tax cut, he has a chance to survive politically yet again.
The dems message has been absolute trash since Obama retired. We got lucky with Bidens 2020 basement campaign, and the crap they pulled in 2024, ignoring bidens cognitive symptoms and lying about it, and that debate performance. And installing Harris without a vote , all this was the biggest political disaster in a long time. Brought to us by shortsighted dem leadership. Don’t know why anyone trusts what comes out from their political operatives until they gut it and start over.
we commented before the election many times, hoping that the special election trend 2021-2023 was a sign that trumps strong polling was incorrect. Turned out the hope that special elections have merit turned out to be wrong. Surprising you keep going back to these special elections. ill agree that may lead to dem victory in the house midterm, but the senate is ten times more important. And the dems have no path there. So that ends any hope for the Court becoming moderate.
saying voting trends are fickle, yes that’s true but dems have recently been shut out in OH FL IA. These states appear gone. Many believe PA will look more like OH electorally than its eastern neighbors in a few years. which leads us to probably the best politician on the left, Josh Shapiro, who should be our rising star, but likely will be persona non grata due to his lack of woke credibility on the far left,
You have an issue with the mid-terms, special elections, etc. Fine, you only focus on the GE. Well as I said, the D's have lost exactly one in a row. So you don't get to have your arguments both ways.
Second, the tariffs. Maybe we will get "a couple of good deals" and that would be great, and who gives a shit then? The markets will rebound and maybe we'll avoid a recession. But if Trump is even moderately serious with the reasons he put forth, then your statement is fantasy. To wit:
1. He said he is installing tariffs to drive manufacturing back to the US. If this is even slightly true, then zero export tariffs or even zero VAT cannot lead to a lessening of the tariffs. The US labor cost is so high, free trade will NEVER bring manufacturing back to the US. We cannot compete without tariffs.
2. He said that tariffs will be used to generate revenue until manufacturing returns and then the tariffs become less important because we are not importing. Again, if there is a shred of truth to this statement, then free trade or as you say "a few wins" cannot make even the slightest difference. He must keep tariffs in place.
The only way your point makes any sense is if Trump is truly a free-trader and this was all negotiation. But if he was a free trader, he would not have spent 25 years talking up tariffs and believing that a trade deficit equals "getting ripped off". These things cannot all be true.
Only stating we were just burned thinking special elections meant something, so although it’s great they did good in WI, I don’t see winning the House next year as meaning much when it comes to power in DC. The Houses main power used to be to investigate, and that has been turned upside down politically.
The immigration Court case is alarming. They affirmed the administration’s power to send immigrants to El Salvador prisons with minimal due process. And they blocked the courts to be able to rule aggregately when the admin aggressively deports. Immigrants need to file habeas corpus individually, which is difficult and very time consuming. This was a huge win by trump, brought to us by the dems becoming less and less of a viable national party
The only way to have power to stop this is by controlling congress and being able to swing the Court a bit towards the center, which requires winning the senate. That requires a center left message.
i give a huge chit about the tariffs , as I’ve been hurt significantly. But my point is simple, if trump doesn’t get the deals he wants, he will fabricate deals to make it look like he got good deals, just like he did with steel in his first term. And the market will recover. Where will the democrats be? Probably falling in love with the ideas of socialists, which is this afternoons direction in other topics on amt.
No, you either misunderstood the ruling or you are pulling talking points from Fox News. It was not a big win for the admin. It was mostly a loss in principle, victory in procedure.
The SCOTUS ruled that all aliens must be notified of a hearing and have the opportunity to attend with representation. The administration clearly does not want that to happen. Tehy want the ability to declare everyone as an MS-13 member. The procedural victory was that it was brought in the wrong venue under the APA. So now the court of jurisdiction will be Texas rather than DC.
Here is AMC's very clear opening paragraph of his analysis. If you don't subscribe to NRO, you should. They have excellent writing even if I disagree with 75% of their arguments.
It should be strange, yet it was utterly predictable to find President Trump chirping last night as he’d won a great victory after the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that his taking aliens who were facing lawful proceedings, loading them onto planes, and transferring them to a foreign country’s notorious prison — all without notice and an opportunity to be heard in objection to these deportations — profoundly violated the Constitution he is sworn to uphold.
The Court’s unanimity on the important constitutional point is obscured by its 5–4 divide on procedure — i.e., the question of where to sue.
Hence, in endeavoring to make a silk purse of this sow’s ear, the president is aided by the stridency of Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s dissent, joined by her two fellow progressives, Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson, and in part by conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett. For once, I don’t blame Justice Sotomayor for her outrage. Still, the tone belies the narrow technicality of the Court’s divide.
The nine justices are actually in lockstep on the bottom line that the executive branch must heed the Constitution and afford due process of law to those it dubiously accuses of being “alien enemies.”
I believe that analysis is missing a couple of key points, but at least they did affirm the right to a hearing with representation. Using the APA individually will take an incredibly lengthy and backlogged process and just make it much longer. It will incentivize the admin to continue to try to backlog the process. It’s significant a judge does not have the power in one hearing to stop an outrageous mass deportation with potentially unwarranted incarceration
This ruling threw out the lower judges order to bring them back, did not even provide a path for that to happen. Further, The admin may continue to use the AEA to deport, and hearings to challenge must be individual, which is time consuming, which could keep migrants incarcerated for a long time. And since actions are individually, many will fall thru the cracks.
So the president, to date, still has the right to declare an emergency, throw people in jail, is immune to having a court block this action en masse, but the migrants can get a hearing individually. I see it as a very chilly ruling
the main goal here was to intimidate migrants before they come here. Everyone has seen the CECOT video. And the admin is free to continue. Where they are incarcerated is open for interpretation since the court took no action against their current location
The court didn't rule that the individual did or did not have to come back. The court ruled that the case should be litigated in TX, which means the MD gentleman will have a hearing in the Texas circuit.
Right, but they lifted Boasbergs ruling, that’s my point. That case is done AFAIK for that judge. Entities like the ACLU will have significant difficulty to step in and stop an action en masse. Cases need to be heard individually, which is expensive and time consuming. Will detainees be sitting in detention centers for months? Years? Many will slip thru the cracks. Also, The Court seems to have no problem with the use of the emergency action under AEA.
The TRO was lifted because it should not have been brought in DC. It's not he victory Trump claimed it is.
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BREAKING: 60 Minutes just exposed the lie. Over 75% of those deported to El Salvador’s mega-prison are innocent. No crimes. No charges. No justice. This is manufactured fear and state-sanctioned abuse.
I watched the full story this morning. I mean, it's what we all already thought was the case, but now that the details are getting out it's the most blatantly disgusting and vile of human rights violations imaginable. Yet they continue to try and hide behind legal BS. If it was legit, they'd have no problem showing the facts supporting their claims, but they can't so they'll just continue to stall as long as possible hoping people forget or write it off.
The govt appears to be 100% wrong with the MD resident deported to El Salvador , and Robert’s just issued a “terse” statement removing midnight deadline lower court issued to have him brought back.
Not sure what the liberal expectations are regarding upcoming immigration cases, it is well know how this court behaves. To get a better court, in 2026 Democrats need to hold four D senate seats in battleground states, Two of these states lean R, let alone win four republican seats for a senate majority
without the senate the dems may never get to appoint a fourth liberal justice in our lifetime., let alone a fifth. And ten house seats and electoral votes are moving to R states next census.
the situation is dire and the dem party is living fantasies regarding what middle America will tolerate. That’s why we are facing situations like this.
Yes the GOP is currently building a "forevermore" coalition focused on wrecking the stock market, creating a recession and promising to bring back shoe factories. I could not be more nervous.
Man, I remember five years ago when we completely agreed the likes of sanders and warren were far too left to be competitive in national elections. Things have certainly changed. Yeah, The tariffs are horrible. Lost a ton. Probably retiring soon. But We don’t know how that story ends yet. Every time trump is backed into a corner, he comes out ahead, except once. I am referring to structural problems the dems are having with the electorate. For which there are no good answers, despite the amt sarcasm.
whats the path to win the senate? As I said, 2026 is daunting. Sure dems take the house in midterms, there’s your big win, let’s do the Reel, but not much can be done to influence or shape the court with that. And they can’t pass any laws with a divided congress and a R president. So haha, we are great. Keep dancing, enjoy the house. Senate 2028 is even at best, judging by the seats up. The problem is, without those OH MT WV seats, there is a long term problem in the future of the senate, and the senate controls the court, as McConnell proved.
and those ten house seats and electoral votes going south. It’s not just the loss of the seats. People are voting with their a$$es. Dem policies aren’t working. Housing is too expensive among other problems. People are leaving blue states, and we are smug. The dem party is too busy with its darlings, the two topics I point out endlessly. The far left positions on dei and Palestine could not be any more unamerican. But yeah, let’s win voters back with that attitude. They view us as elitists, unrealistic and unamerican. Prove them right.
How have they "certainly changed" from five years ago? I still don't think the very liberal wing can compete nationally.
I'm not a political strategist and I have no interest in being one and it's not my job to figure out how the Democrats need to message more effectively. I view the world through a historical lens and I look for parallels in our history to understand how the next cycle may play out. But as I told you last week, not ten years ago the talking points were "demographics are destiny" and the GOP has nowhere to go, and will continue to entrench into a whiter, more male base. Then not two weeks ago, the talking points were "Democrats are done, there is no party, no message, we're cooked". Then they go out and way over-perform in FL and win Wisconsin. So you'll have to excuse me if I'm not going to burn my mental energy wringing my hands about the Senate. And sure the votes are going South (for now, until they go North because FL is uninhabitable), but they still vote. If they are leaving in droves to affect the blue states, well then they will subsequently affect the red states too by still voting their beliefs. That's how migration works.
So back to where I view the world, it doesn't take long to remember the Smoot-Hawley Act of 1930, which ushered in protectionism at the beginning of the depression. It supercharged the pain and led to four straight wins for FDR and 50 years of House control for the Dems. We could also look at the McKinley Tariffs of 1890 and see that they led to significantly increased prices and electoral wipeout for the Republicans in 1894 and 1898. The overall reaction to the rise of the Robber Barons led to the Progressive Era.
People's votes are fickle for the big chunk of the country that do not live/breathe party politics. Plenty of Obama voters became Trump voters as evidenced by the flip of Iowa and Ohio. Things can flip back and something as significant as creating a recession for no reason and raising prices on everything is bound to have an effect on voters.
Well it’s changed because the “very liberal wing” (there’s a four letter word for that) can not compete, which is my basic premise . Yes trumps tariffs are horrible, but we are at the beginning of that process. He gets a couple of good deals and a big tax cut, he has a chance to survive politically yet again.
The dems message has been absolute trash since Obama retired. We got lucky with Bidens 2020 basement campaign, and the crap they pulled in 2024, ignoring bidens cognitive symptoms and lying about it, and that debate performance. And installing Harris without a vote , all this was the biggest political disaster in a long time. Brought to us by shortsighted dem leadership. Don’t know why anyone trusts what comes out from their political operatives until they gut it and start over.
we commented before the election many times, hoping that the special election trend 2021-2023 was a sign that trumps strong polling was incorrect. Turned out the hope that special elections have merit turned out to be wrong. Surprising you keep going back to these special elections. ill agree that may lead to dem victory in the house midterm, but the senate is ten times more important. And the dems have no path there. So that ends any hope for the Court becoming moderate.
saying voting trends are fickle, yes that’s true but dems have recently been shut out in OH FL IA. These states appear gone. Many believe PA will look more like OH electorally than its eastern neighbors in a few years. which leads us to probably the best politician on the left, Josh Shapiro, who should be our rising star, but likely will be persona non grata due to his lack of woke credibility on the far left,
You have an issue with the mid-terms, special elections, etc. Fine, you only focus on the GE. Well as I said, the D's have lost exactly one in a row. So you don't get to have your arguments both ways.
Second, the tariffs. Maybe we will get "a couple of good deals" and that would be great, and who gives a shit then? The markets will rebound and maybe we'll avoid a recession. But if Trump is even moderately serious with the reasons he put forth, then your statement is fantasy. To wit:
1. He said he is installing tariffs to drive manufacturing back to the US. If this is even slightly true, then zero export tariffs or even zero VAT cannot lead to a lessening of the tariffs. The US labor cost is so high, free trade will NEVER bring manufacturing back to the US. We cannot compete without tariffs.
2. He said that tariffs will be used to generate revenue until manufacturing returns and then the tariffs become less important because we are not importing. Again, if there is a shred of truth to this statement, then free trade or as you say "a few wins" cannot make even the slightest difference. He must keep tariffs in place.
The only way your point makes any sense is if Trump is truly a free-trader and this was all negotiation. But if he was a free trader, he would not have spent 25 years talking up tariffs and believing that a trade deficit equals "getting ripped off". These things cannot all be true.
Only stating we were just burned thinking special elections meant something, so although it’s great they did good in WI, I don’t see winning the House next year as meaning much when it comes to power in DC. The Houses main power used to be to investigate, and that has been turned upside down politically.
The immigration Court case is alarming. They affirmed the administration’s power to send immigrants to El Salvador prisons with minimal due process. And they blocked the courts to be able to rule aggregately when the admin aggressively deports. Immigrants need to file habeas corpus individually, which is difficult and very time consuming. This was a huge win by trump, brought to us by the dems becoming less and less of a viable national party
The only way to have power to stop this is by controlling congress and being able to swing the Court a bit towards the center, which requires winning the senate. That requires a center left message.
i give a huge chit about the tariffs , as I’ve been hurt significantly. But my point is simple, if trump doesn’t get the deals he wants, he will fabricate deals to make it look like he got good deals, just like he did with steel in his first term. And the market will recover. Where will the democrats be? Probably falling in love with the ideas of socialists, which is this afternoons direction in other topics on amt.
No, you either misunderstood the ruling or you are pulling talking points from Fox News. It was not a big win for the admin. It was mostly a loss in principle, victory in procedure.
The SCOTUS ruled that all aliens must be notified of a hearing and have the opportunity to attend with representation. The administration clearly does not want that to happen. Tehy want the ability to declare everyone as an MS-13 member. The procedural victory was that it was brought in the wrong venue under the APA. So now the court of jurisdiction will be Texas rather than DC.
Here is AMC's very clear opening paragraph of his analysis. If you don't subscribe to NRO, you should. They have excellent writing even if I disagree with 75% of their arguments.
It should be strange, yet it was utterly predictable to find President Trump chirping last night as he’d won a great victory after the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that his taking aliens who were facing lawful proceedings, loading them onto planes, and transferring them to a foreign country’s notorious prison — all without notice and an opportunity to be heard in objection to these deportations — profoundly violated the Constitution he is sworn to uphold.
The Court’s unanimity on the important constitutional point is obscured by its 5–4 divide on procedure — i.e., the question of where to sue.
Hence, in endeavoring to make a silk purse of this sow’s ear, the president is aided by the stridency of Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s dissent, joined by her two fellow progressives, Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson, and in part by conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett. For once, I don’t blame Justice Sotomayor for her outrage. Still, the tone belies the narrow technicality of the Court’s divide.
The nine justices are actually in lockstep on the bottom line that the executive branch must heed the Constitution and afford due process of law to those it dubiously accuses of being “alien enemies.”
I believe that analysis is missing a couple of key points, but at least they did affirm the right to a hearing with representation. Using the APA individually will take an incredibly lengthy and backlogged process and just make it much longer. It will incentivize the admin to continue to try to backlog the process. It’s significant a judge does not have the power in one hearing to stop an outrageous mass deportation with potentially unwarranted incarceration
This ruling threw out the lower judges order to bring them back, did not even provide a path for that to happen. Further, The admin may continue to use the AEA to deport, and hearings to challenge must be individual, which is time consuming, which could keep migrants incarcerated for a long time. And since actions are individually, many will fall thru the cracks.
So the president, to date, still has the right to declare an emergency, throw people in jail, is immune to having a court block this action en masse, but the migrants can get a hearing individually. I see it as a very chilly ruling
the main goal here was to intimidate migrants before they come here. Everyone has seen the CECOT video. And the admin is free to continue. Where they are incarcerated is open for interpretation since the court took no action against their current location
The court didn't rule that the individual did or did not have to come back. The court ruled that the case should be litigated in TX, which means the MD gentleman will have a hearing in the Texas circuit.
Right, but they lifted Boasbergs ruling, that’s my point. That case is done AFAIK for that judge. Entities like the ACLU will have significant difficulty to step in and stop an action en masse. Cases need to be heard individually, which is expensive and time consuming. Will detainees be sitting in detention centers for months? Years? Many will slip thru the cracks. Also, The Court seems to have no problem with the use of the emergency action under AEA.
The TRO was lifted because it should not have been brought in DC. It's not he victory Trump claimed it is.
Perhaps that’s correct, but I like the Gemini AI summary (since someone else made that accusation earlier), seems clear-
“In a recent Supreme Court ruling regarding deportations under the Alien Enemies Act, Chief Justice John Roberts' opinion, along with the majority, affirmed the right to due process but also made it more difficult for immigrants to challenge their removal by requiring them to file individual habeas petitions in the location of their detention, rather than a broader lawsuit.”
IMO he got what he wanted, that shocking video sending those men to El Salvador, and no en masse order to return.
BREAKING: 60 Minutes just exposed the lie. Over 75% of those deported to El Salvador’s mega-prison are innocent. No crimes. No charges. No justice. This is manufactured fear and state-sanctioned abuse.
I watched the full story this morning. I mean, it's what we all already thought was the case, but now that the details are getting out it's the most blatantly disgusting and vile of human rights violations imaginable. Yet they continue to try and hide behind legal BS. If it was legit, they'd have no problem showing the facts supporting their claims, but they can't so they'll just continue to stall as long as possible hoping people forget or write it off.
The govt appears to be 100% wrong with the MD resident deported to El Salvador , and Robert’s just issued a “terse” statement removing midnight deadline lower court issued to have him brought back.
Not sure what the liberal expectations are regarding upcoming immigration cases, it is well know how this court behaves. To get a better court, in 2026 Democrats need to hold four D senate seats in battleground states, Two of these states lean R, let alone win four republican seats for a senate majority
without the senate the dems may never get to appoint a fourth liberal justice in our lifetime., let alone a fifth. And ten house seats and electoral votes are moving to R states next census.
the situation is dire and the dem party is living fantasies regarding what middle America will tolerate. That’s why we are facing situations like this.
Yes the GOP is currently building a "forevermore" coalition focused on wrecking the stock market, creating a recession and promising to bring back shoe factories. I could not be more nervous.
Man, I remember five years ago when we completely agreed the likes of sanders and warren were far too left to be competitive in national elections. Things have certainly changed. Yeah, The tariffs are horrible. Lost a ton. Probably retiring soon. But We don’t know how that story ends yet. Every time trump is backed into a corner, he comes out ahead, except once. I am referring to structural problems the dems are having with the electorate. For which there are no good answers, despite the amt sarcasm.
whats the path to win the senate? As I said, 2026 is daunting. Sure dems take the house in midterms, there’s your big win, let’s do the Reel, but not much can be done to influence or shape the court with that. And they can’t pass any laws with a divided congress and a R president. So haha, we are great. Keep dancing, enjoy the house. Senate 2028 is even at best, judging by the seats up. The problem is, without those OH MT WV seats, there is a long term problem in the future of the senate, and the senate controls the court, as McConnell proved.
and those ten house seats and electoral votes going south. It’s not just the loss of the seats. People are voting with their a$$es. Dem policies aren’t working. Housing is too expensive among other problems. People are leaving blue states, and we are smug. The dem party is too busy with its darlings, the two topics I point out endlessly. The far left positions on dei and Palestine could not be any more unamerican. But yeah, let’s win voters back with that attitude. They view us as elitists, unrealistic and unamerican. Prove them right.
How have they "certainly changed" from five years ago? I still don't think the very liberal wing can compete nationally.
I'm not a political strategist and I have no interest in being one and it's not my job to figure out how the Democrats need to message more effectively. I view the world through a historical lens and I look for parallels in our history to understand how the next cycle may play out. But as I told you last week, not ten years ago the talking points were "demographics are destiny" and the GOP has nowhere to go, and will continue to entrench into a whiter, more male base. Then not two weeks ago, the talking points were "Democrats are done, there is no party, no message, we're cooked". Then they go out and way over-perform in FL and win Wisconsin. So you'll have to excuse me if I'm not going to burn my mental energy wringing my hands about the Senate. And sure the votes are going South (for now, until they go North because FL is uninhabitable), but they still vote. If they are leaving in droves to affect the blue states, well then they will subsequently affect the red states too by still voting their beliefs. That's how migration works.
So back to where I view the world, it doesn't take long to remember the Smoot-Hawley Act of 1930, which ushered in protectionism at the beginning of the depression. It supercharged the pain and led to four straight wins for FDR and 50 years of House control for the Dems. We could also look at the McKinley Tariffs of 1890 and see that they led to significantly increased prices and electoral wipeout for the Republicans in 1894 and 1898. The overall reaction to the rise of the Robber Barons led to the Progressive Era.
People's votes are fickle for the big chunk of the country that do not live/breathe party politics. Plenty of Obama voters became Trump voters as evidenced by the flip of Iowa and Ohio. Things can flip back and something as significant as creating a recession for no reason and raising prices on everything is bound to have an effect on voters.
Well it’s changed because the “very liberal wing” (there’s a four letter word for that) can not compete, which is my basic premise . Yes trumps tariffs are horrible, but we are at the beginning of that process. He gets a couple of good deals and a big tax cut, he has a chance to survive politically yet again.
The dems message has been absolute trash since Obama retired. We got lucky with Bidens 2020 basement campaign, and the crap they pulled in 2024, ignoring bidens cognitive symptoms and lying about it, and that debate performance. And installing Harris without a vote , all this was the biggest political disaster in a long time. Brought to us by shortsighted dem leadership. Don’t know why anyone trusts what comes out from their political operatives until they gut it and start over.
we commented before the election many times, hoping that the special election trend 2021-2023 was a sign that trumps strong polling was incorrect. Turned out the hope that special elections have merit turned out to be wrong. Surprising you keep going back to these special elections. ill agree that may lead to dem victory in the house midterm, but the senate is ten times more important. And the dems have no path there. So that ends any hope for the Court becoming moderate.
saying voting trends are fickle, yes that’s true but dems have recently been shut out in OH FL IA. These states appear gone. Many believe PA will look more like OH electorally than its eastern neighbors in a few years. which leads us to probably the best politician on the left, Josh Shapiro, who should be our rising star, but likely will be persona non grata due to his lack of woke credibility on the far left,
You have an issue with the mid-terms, special elections, etc. Fine, you only focus on the GE. Well as I said, the D's have lost exactly one in a row. So you don't get to have your arguments both ways.
Second, the tariffs. Maybe we will get "a couple of good deals" and that would be great, and who gives a shit then? The markets will rebound and maybe we'll avoid a recession. But if Trump is even moderately serious with the reasons he put forth, then your statement is fantasy. To wit:
1. He said he is installing tariffs to drive manufacturing back to the US. If this is even slightly true, then zero export tariffs or even zero VAT cannot lead to a lessening of the tariffs. The US labor cost is so high, free trade will NEVER bring manufacturing back to the US. We cannot compete without tariffs.
2. He said that tariffs will be used to generate revenue until manufacturing returns and then the tariffs become less important because we are not importing. Again, if there is a shred of truth to this statement, then free trade or as you say "a few wins" cannot make even the slightest difference. He must keep tariffs in place.
The only way your point makes any sense is if Trump is truly a free-trader and this was all negotiation. But if he was a free trader, he would not have spent 25 years talking up tariffs and believing that a trade deficit equals "getting ripped off". These things cannot all be true.
Only stating we were just burned thinking special elections meant something, so although it’s great they did good in WI, I don’t see winning the House next year as meaning much when it comes to power in DC. The Houses main power used to be to investigate, and that has been turned upside down politically.
The immigration Court case is alarming. They affirmed the administration’s power to send immigrants to El Salvador prisons with minimal due process. And they blocked the courts to be able to rule aggregately when the admin aggressively deports. Immigrants need to file habeas corpus individually, which is difficult and very time consuming. This was a huge win by trump, brought to us by the dems becoming less and less of a viable national party
The only way to have power to stop this is by controlling congress and being able to swing the Court a bit towards the center, which requires winning the senate. That requires a center left message.
i give a huge chit about the tariffs , as I’ve been hurt significantly. But my point is simple, if trump doesn’t get the deals he wants, he will fabricate deals to make it look like he got good deals, just like he did with steel in his first term. And the market will recover. Where will the democrats be? Probably falling in love with the ideas of socialists, which is this afternoons direction in other topics on amt.
No, you either misunderstood the ruling or you are pulling talking points from Fox News. It was not a big win for the admin. It was mostly a loss in principle, victory in procedure.
The SCOTUS ruled that all aliens must be notified of a hearing and have the opportunity to attend with representation. The administration clearly does not want that to happen. Tehy want the ability to declare everyone as an MS-13 member. The procedural victory was that it was brought in the wrong venue under the APA. So now the court of jurisdiction will be Texas rather than DC.
Here is AMC's very clear opening paragraph of his analysis. If you don't subscribe to NRO, you should. They have excellent writing even if I disagree with 75% of their arguments.
It should be strange, yet it was utterly predictable to find President Trump chirping last night as he’d won a great victory after the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that his taking aliens who were facing lawful proceedings, loading them onto planes, and transferring them to a foreign country’s notorious prison — all without notice and an opportunity to be heard in objection to these deportations — profoundly violated the Constitution he is sworn to uphold.
The Court’s unanimity on the important constitutional point is obscured by its 5–4 divide on procedure — i.e., the question of where to sue.
Hence, in endeavoring to make a silk purse of this sow’s ear, the president is aided by the stridency of Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s dissent, joined by her two fellow progressives, Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson, and in part by conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett. For once, I don’t blame Justice Sotomayor for her outrage. Still, the tone belies the narrow technicality of the Court’s divide.
The nine justices are actually in lockstep on the bottom line that the executive branch must heed the Constitution and afford due process of law to those it dubiously accuses of being “alien enemies.”
I believe that analysis is missing a couple of key points, but at least they did affirm the right to a hearing with representation. Using the APA individually will take an incredibly lengthy and backlogged process and just make it much longer. It will incentivize the admin to continue to try to backlog the process. It’s significant a judge does not have the power in one hearing to stop an outrageous mass deportation with potentially unwarranted incarceration
This ruling threw out the lower judges order to bring them back, did not even provide a path for that to happen. Further, The admin may continue to use the AEA to deport, and hearings to challenge must be individual, which is time consuming, which could keep migrants incarcerated for a long time. And since actions are individually, many will fall thru the cracks.
So the president, to date, still has the right to declare an emergency, throw people in jail, is immune to having a court block this action en masse, but the migrants can get a hearing individually. I see it as a very chilly ruling
the main goal here was to intimidate migrants before they come here. Everyone has seen the CECOT video. And the admin is free to continue. Where they are incarcerated is open for interpretation since the court took no action against their current location
The court didn't rule that the individual did or did not have to come back. The court ruled that the case should be litigated in TX, which means the MD gentleman will have a hearing in the Texas circuit.
Right, but they lifted Boasbergs ruling, that’s my point. That case is done AFAIK for that judge. Entities like the ACLU will have significant difficulty to step in and stop an action en masse. Cases need to be heard individually, which is expensive and time consuming. Will detainees be sitting in detention centers for months? Years? Many will slip thru the cracks. Also, The Court seems to have no problem with the use of the emergency action under AEA.
The TRO was lifted because it should not have been brought in DC. It's not he victory Trump claimed it is.
Perhaps that’s correct, but I like the Gemini AI summary (since someone else made that accusation earlier), seems clear-
“In a recent Supreme Court ruling regarding deportations under the Alien Enemies Act, Chief Justice John Roberts' opinion, along with the majority, affirmed the right to due process but also made it more difficult for immigrants to challenge their removal by requiring them to file individual habeas petitions in the location of their detention, rather than a broader lawsuit.”
IMO he got what he wanted, that shocking video sending those men to El Salvador, and no en masse order to return.
Immigrants aren't a class. Why would they ever be able to aggregate into one lawsuit? Each person's situation is different and the gov't is required to provide evidence at the individual level, not at a class.
AI is not your friend here. You are much better off reading the analysis of a former, well respected (if very conservative) Assistant US Attorney for the SDNY.
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yes, in normal times, any one of those would have sunk a president. we are in strange times.
protecting us? I don't know what point I proved or what makes it elitist when I just posted a statistic. Maybe you don't like facts?
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then I had a back and forth with Matt, clarifying that the dems are in a stranglehold when it comes to the 2026 senate election. Important because that controls the supreme court. Further, “trump comes out ahead” is also, in context, regarding his political ability to come back from his tariff fiasco. It’s amazing how your comments always gets the context wrong. The context is the dems do not have the political power or strategy to take back the senate or Court, and trump is a master at political victories. Sure the lower courts love to rule against him. That means a heck of a lot in our power structure (sarcasm).
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My comments are not only about trump, but about structural long term problems in the senate which controls the Supreme Court, and ten House seats/electoral votes heading to R states in a couple of cycles , which makes future elections difficult to win, as well as an indictment how blue states have succeeded.
if you think the answer is being more like trump, good for you, but I don’t think that helps dems win elections, which is what I want.
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I'm not a political strategist and I have no interest in being one and it's not my job to figure out how the Democrats need to message more effectively. I view the world through a historical lens and I look for parallels in our history to understand how the next cycle may play out. But as I told you last week, not ten years ago the talking points were "demographics are destiny" and the GOP has nowhere to go, and will continue to entrench into a whiter, more male base. Then not two weeks ago, the talking points were "Democrats are done, there is no party, no message, we're cooked". Then they go out and way over-perform in FL and win Wisconsin. So you'll have to excuse me if I'm not going to burn my mental energy wringing my hands about the Senate. And sure the votes are going South (for now, until they go North because FL is uninhabitable), but they still vote. If they are leaving in droves to affect the blue states, well then they will subsequently affect the red states too by still voting their beliefs. That's how migration works.
So back to where I view the world, it doesn't take long to remember the Smoot-Hawley Act of 1930, which ushered in protectionism at the beginning of the depression. It supercharged the pain and led to four straight wins for FDR and 50 years of House control for the Dems. We could also look at the McKinley Tariffs of 1890 and see that they led to significantly increased prices and electoral wipeout for the Republicans in 1894 and 1898. The overall reaction to the rise of the Robber Barons led to the Progressive Era.
People's votes are fickle for the big chunk of the country that do not live/breathe party politics. Plenty of Obama voters became Trump voters as evidenced by the flip of Iowa and Ohio. Things can flip back and something as significant as creating a recession for no reason and raising prices on everything is bound to have an effect on voters.
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we commented before the election many times, hoping that the special election trend 2021-2023 was a sign that trumps strong polling was incorrect. Turned out the hope that special elections have merit turned out to be wrong. Surprising you keep going back to these special elections. ill agree that may lead to dem victory in the house midterm, but the senate is ten times more important. And the dems have no path there. So that ends any hope for the Court becoming moderate.
saying voting trends are fickle, yes that’s true but dems have recently been shut out in OH FL IA. These states appear gone. Many believe PA will look more like OH electorally than its eastern neighbors in a few years. which leads us to probably the best politician on the left, Josh Shapiro, who should be our rising star, but likely will be persona non grata due to his lack of woke credibility on the far left,
Second, the tariffs. Maybe we will get "a couple of good deals" and that would be great, and who gives a shit then? The markets will rebound and maybe we'll avoid a recession. But if Trump is even moderately serious with the reasons he put forth, then your statement is fantasy. To wit:
1. He said he is installing tariffs to drive manufacturing back to the US. If this is even slightly true, then zero export tariffs or even zero VAT cannot lead to a lessening of the tariffs. The US labor cost is so high, free trade will NEVER bring manufacturing back to the US. We cannot compete without tariffs.
2. He said that tariffs will be used to generate revenue until manufacturing returns and then the tariffs become less important because we are not importing. Again, if there is a shred of truth to this statement, then free trade or as you say "a few wins" cannot make even the slightest difference. He must keep tariffs in place.
The only way your point makes any sense is if Trump is truly a free-trader and this was all negotiation. But if he was a free trader, he would not have spent 25 years talking up tariffs and believing that a trade deficit equals "getting ripped off". These things cannot all be true.
The 40 years it took the far right white Christian nationalists to seize the party and rig the system paid off. But it’s the dems that need to change their messaging and policies. Can’t fix stupid.
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The immigration Court case is alarming. They affirmed the administration’s power to send immigrants to El Salvador prisons with minimal due process. And they blocked the courts to be able to rule aggregately when the admin aggressively deports. Immigrants need to file habeas corpus individually, which is difficult and very time consuming. This was a huge win by trump, brought to us by the dems becoming less and less of a viable national party
i give a huge chit about the tariffs , as I’ve been hurt significantly. But my point is simple, if trump doesn’t get the deals he wants, he will fabricate deals to make it look like he got good deals, just like he did with steel in his first term. And the market will recover. Where will the democrats be? Probably falling in love with the ideas of socialists, which is this afternoons direction in other topics on amt.
The SCOTUS ruled that all aliens must be notified of a hearing and have the opportunity to attend with representation. The administration clearly does not want that to happen. Tehy want the ability to declare everyone as an MS-13 member. The procedural victory was that it was brought in the wrong venue under the APA. So now the court of jurisdiction will be Texas rather than DC.
Here is AMC's very clear opening paragraph of his analysis. If you don't subscribe to NRO, you should. They have excellent writing even if I disagree with 75% of their arguments.
It should be strange, yet it was utterly predictable to find President Trump chirping last night as he’d won a great victory after the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that his taking aliens who were facing lawful proceedings, loading them onto planes, and transferring them to a foreign country’s notorious prison — all without notice and an opportunity to be heard in objection to these deportations — profoundly violated the Constitution he is sworn to uphold.
The Court’s unanimity on the important constitutional point is obscured by its 5–4 divide on procedure — i.e., the question of where to sue.
Hence, in endeavoring to make a silk purse of this sow’s ear, the president is aided by the stridency of Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s dissent, joined by her two fellow progressives, Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson, and in part by conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett. For once, I don’t blame Justice Sotomayor for her outrage. Still, the tone belies the narrow technicality of the Court’s divide.
The nine justices are actually in lockstep on the bottom line that the executive branch must heed the Constitution and afford due process of law to those it dubiously accuses of being “alien enemies.”
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This ruling threw out the lower judges order to bring them back, did not even provide a path for that to happen. Further, The admin may continue to use the AEA to deport, and hearings to challenge must be individual, which is time consuming, which could keep migrants incarcerated for a long time. And since actions are individually, many will fall thru the cracks.
the main goal here was to intimidate migrants before they come here. Everyone has seen the CECOT video. And the admin is free to continue. Where they are incarcerated is open for interpretation since the court took no action against their current location
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AI is not your friend here. You are much better off reading the analysis of a former, well respected (if very conservative) Assistant US Attorney for the SDNY.
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