The idea that people should all come together and not buy tickets from scalpers is laughable. It's an unrealistic idea that will never happen. I'd love to see some of the proponents of this strategy sit outside a venue while PJ is playing because they wouldn't pay a cent over face.
They might get in for face, but they'd miss some of the show.
If the face is $85 and the scalper wants $300 for one of his many tickets on the morning of the show, he might get a little desperate and settle for $150 during the opening act. Opening act leaves the stage around 8:30 (say) and he might want $100 for any unsold amounts.
By the time 9:15 comes around and the first 4-5 songs have been played? Assuming there's any left, he might be willing to take a loss...after all, some money is better than unsold tickets, right? Besides, he's already made major profit on the stack he's already sold.
Oh no doubt about it...I know in many cases if you are willing to wait, you can find tickets for less than face for some shows. That doesn't change the fact that the scaplers are, for the most part, still coming out on top - they wouldn't still be doing it otherwise. Furthermore, the idea that a realistic solution to today's scalping problem is for everyone to refuse to pay above face value is asinine. People want to get into these shows and there is still a solid possibility theyll get shut out if they don't pay above face. Fans alone cannot solve the scalping problem. If PJ tours to my area once a year, am I going to sit outside the stadium and refuse to pay $50-$100 more than face (as an example) for my one chance to see them that year? No, and most others wouldn't refuse either if they had their heart set on going.
It's up to the band to use the powers they have to help curb scalping. Paperless tickets would be a big step in the right direction.
Kid Rock, of all people, is looking out for fans. Pearl Jam? they forgot who paid the bills a long time ago.
Pearl Jam charges cheaper prices than almost every one of their contemporaries. PJ, Bruce, Phish, and MMJ are an absolute steal considering how little you pay. Now the scalper prices is different... But hey, they don't set those prices.
My suggestion is do a damn full length tour so the aftermarket will drop to face or in that range.
Kid Rock, of all people, is looking out for fans. Pearl Jam? they forgot who paid the bills a long time ago.
Pearl Jam charges cheaper prices than almost every one of their contemporaries. PJ, Bruce, Phish, and MMJ are an absolute steal considering how little you pay. Now the scalper prices is different... But hey, they don't set those prices.
My suggestion is do a damn full length tour so the aftermarket will drop to face or in that range.
I think what he is saying, and btw I don't necessarily agree, is that while the face value of PJ tickets are low, if 65% of them are going directly to the resale market then the face value actually doesn't mean anything.
What I do believe is that artists in general will go a long way in endearing their fans with the more paperless tickets they offer.
But I'm A-OK with a full length PJ tour as well!!!
Kid Rock, of all people, is looking out for fans. Pearl Jam? they forgot who paid the bills a long time ago.
Pearl Jam charges cheaper prices than almost every one of their contemporaries. PJ, Bruce, Phish, and MMJ are an absolute steal considering how little you pay. Now the scalper prices is different... But hey, they don't set those prices.
My suggestion is do a damn full length tour so the aftermarket will drop to face or in that range.
Kid Rock: $20 tickets before fees. And no fees if you buy at a ticketmaster location inside wal-mart.
$4 beer.
$20 t-shirts.
Pearl Jam:
$75 tickets for arena shows.
Does not work with the venue to offer lower price beer/concessions.
Won't let you bring in a poster tube or pre-order posters.
Charges more than $20 for t-shirts.
Kid Rock, of all people, is looking out for fans. Pearl Jam? they forgot who paid the bills a long time ago.
Pearl Jam charges cheaper prices than almost every one of their contemporaries. PJ, Bruce, Phish, and MMJ are an absolute steal considering how little you pay. Now the scalper prices is different... But hey, they don't set those prices.
My suggestion is do a damn full length tour so the aftermarket will drop to face or in that range.
Kid Rock: $20 tickets before fees. And no fees if you buy at a ticketmaster location inside wal-mart.
$4 beer.
$20 t-shirts.
Pearl Jam:
$75 tickets for arena shows.
Does not work with the venue to offer lower price beer/concessions.
Won't let you bring in a poster tube or pre-order posters.
Charges more than $20 for t-shirts.
but you're compairing Kid Rock to Pearl Jam......it is almost impossible to work with venues on concession prices, they have contracts with Aramark (or other provider) that allows that provider to set the prices. The arena usually does not have a say, plus why would they want to discount prices at shows? They are running a business. The poster tube thing again is typically a building to building policy, sometimes the renter can ask if they can make exceptions but its not always allowed. T-shirts are expensive now.
I get what you're saying you'd like more acts to work hard to help the fans out and I am with you on that, but it is not as easy as it sounds.
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I think the comparison's are valid. PJ gets made credit for taking on the issue 20 years ago, and all the way to congress. however, since then, I have not seen value. The last show I saw, and it was almost ten years ago, was $100 seats.
What Kid Rock is doing is amazing. That he got involved in concessions is super brilliant. I have never heard of an artist pull that off. Aramark is a powerful entity, so that was no easy negotiation.
As for Kid Rock, here is how much I love his business plan and commitment. I bought 2 tix to the Denver show and I may have to work. It's ok. It is worth $50 to me to see his business model succeed. I want him to be wildly successful in this endeavor, so that everyone takes a look and re-evaluates their business model. Concerts aren't seeing my money anymore. I used to go monthly, now I go about once a year. It has just gotten too expensive. I make sure to make it to Red Rocks every summer for a show, and that's about it.
As for scalping, I have bought many or most of my seats below face value from those weasels. After the first song is played, those $200 golden tickets are just pieces of paper. So, they get very desperate as the show goes closer. Here is a tip, and I have been to hundreds (maybe thousands) of shows. Approach the scalper and tell him you'll pay $40 for the ticket. He will laugh you off. Then, just say "cool, I understand you gotta make your money. I will be back here in 30 minutes. Consider my offer if you have any tickets left". Works every time. That paper that was worth hundreds is now only worth about $10. By mid set, that paper will be useless.
Btw, how to identify scalpers. They are ones with the signs. ANYTIME you see a guy with a sign that says 'need tickets', he is a scalper. Amusingly, the other side of the sign usually says 'got tickets for sale'.
Pearl Jam has done great stuff in this arena, which (like their live distribution system) has been well copied - which is will call only. it is the only way to stop scalpers. The problem is, it is a pain in the ass for everyone involved. But, it works.
While I’m no fan of Kid Rock, I can applaud his efforts here. While this ex order does nothing, he’s at least trying to do something about the problem with this and the BOTS act. More artists should be speaking out and fighting for this.
Great so we will pay less for concert Tickets but more for every grocery item or manufactured goods. #winning
Lol! You were paying more for all of those in the previous 4 years before Trump returned to office.
That’s a pretty hot take when even Trump isn’t arguing things are going to be cheaper anymore. Lol. Are we great again yet?!!!
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While I’m no fan of Kid Rock, I can applaud his efforts here. While this ex order does nothing, he’s at least trying to do something about the problem with this and the BOTS act. More artists should be speaking out and fighting for this.
Prediction: LiveNation will simply bribe him by buying a bunch of worthless $DJT shares or his crypto and this will go away. Every move he makes is a self-serving scheme to get power or money.
While I’m no fan of Kid Rock, I can applaud his efforts here. While this ex order does nothing, he’s at least trying to do something about the problem with this and the BOTS act. More artists should be speaking out and fighting for this.
Prediction: LiveNation will simply bribe him by buying a bunch of worthless $DJT shares or his crypto and this will go away. Every move he makes is a self-serving scheme to get power or money.
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Oh no doubt about it...I know in many cases if you are willing to wait, you can find tickets for less than face for some shows. That doesn't change the fact that the scaplers are, for the most part, still coming out on top - they wouldn't still be doing it otherwise. Furthermore, the idea that a realistic solution to today's scalping problem is for everyone to refuse to pay above face value is asinine. People want to get into these shows and there is still a solid possibility theyll get shut out if they don't pay above face. Fans alone cannot solve the scalping problem. If PJ tours to my area once a year, am I going to sit outside the stadium and refuse to pay $50-$100 more than face (as an example) for my one chance to see them that year? No, and most others wouldn't refuse either if they had their heart set on going.
It's up to the band to use the powers they have to help curb scalping. Paperless tickets would be a big step in the right direction.
Pearl Jam charges cheaper prices than almost every one of their contemporaries. PJ, Bruce, Phish, and MMJ are an absolute steal considering how little you pay. Now the scalper prices is different... But hey, they don't set those prices.
My suggestion is do a damn full length tour so the aftermarket will drop to face or in that range.
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I think what he is saying, and btw I don't necessarily agree, is that while the face value of PJ tickets are low, if 65% of them are going directly to the resale market then the face value actually doesn't mean anything.
What I do believe is that artists in general will go a long way in endearing their fans with the more paperless tickets they offer.
But I'm A-OK with a full length PJ tour as well!!!
bingo!
especially for up close sections and in demand shows(nyc)...they should all be paperless
there is really no argument against it
Kid Rock: $20 tickets before fees. And no fees if you buy at a ticketmaster location inside wal-mart.
$4 beer.
$20 t-shirts.
Pearl Jam:
$75 tickets for arena shows.
Does not work with the venue to offer lower price beer/concessions.
Won't let you bring in a poster tube or pre-order posters.
Charges more than $20 for t-shirts.
but you're compairing Kid Rock to Pearl Jam......it is almost impossible to work with venues on concession prices, they have contracts with Aramark (or other provider) that allows that provider to set the prices. The arena usually does not have a say, plus why would they want to discount prices at shows? They are running a business. The poster tube thing again is typically a building to building policy, sometimes the renter can ask if they can make exceptions but its not always allowed. T-shirts are expensive now.
I get what you're saying you'd like more acts to work hard to help the fans out and I am with you on that, but it is not as easy as it sounds.
he was able to reduce the costs by working with live nation, who owns and operates the venues his 2013 tour is in.
What Kid Rock is doing is amazing. That he got involved in concessions is super brilliant. I have never heard of an artist pull that off. Aramark is a powerful entity, so that was no easy negotiation.
As for Kid Rock, here is how much I love his business plan and commitment. I bought 2 tix to the Denver show and I may have to work. It's ok. It is worth $50 to me to see his business model succeed. I want him to be wildly successful in this endeavor, so that everyone takes a look and re-evaluates their business model. Concerts aren't seeing my money anymore. I used to go monthly, now I go about once a year. It has just gotten too expensive. I make sure to make it to Red Rocks every summer for a show, and that's about it.
As for scalping, I have bought many or most of my seats below face value from those weasels. After the first song is played, those $200 golden tickets are just pieces of paper. So, they get very desperate as the show goes closer. Here is a tip, and I have been to hundreds (maybe thousands) of shows. Approach the scalper and tell him you'll pay $40 for the ticket. He will laugh you off. Then, just say "cool, I understand you gotta make your money. I will be back here in 30 minutes. Consider my offer if you have any tickets left". Works every time. That paper that was worth hundreds is now only worth about $10. By mid set, that paper will be useless.
Btw, how to identify scalpers. They are ones with the signs. ANYTIME you see a guy with a sign that says 'need tickets', he is a scalper. Amusingly, the other side of the sign usually says 'got tickets for sale'.
Pearl Jam has done great stuff in this arena, which (like their live distribution system) has been well copied - which is will call only. it is the only way to stop scalpers. The problem is, it is a pain in the ass for everyone involved. But, it works.
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Also correct.
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