Keeping Men out of Women's Sports

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  • smile6680
    smile6680 Posts: 437
    tempo_n_groove said:
    smile6680 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    smile6680 said:
    I think a lot of people are overthinking the issue. 

    1. Is it a good idea for safety reasons. My opinion is it's a real concern

    2. In non contact sports is it fair to biological females and or trans people. This can be debated. 


    There’s a lot of high school girls in wrestling who compete against boys. So maybe more thinking on the issue is a good thing. 
    Wrestling is an interesting contact support. It's controlled contact and by weight. 

    We had a female champion last year for one of our state weight class. It was good to see. 

    I think the discussion is whether (biological) boys should be competing in female sports. I don't think most people have an issue with girls/parents choosing to sign up to compete against boys if they have the ability. 
    She won 2 years in a row.  That is impressive going up against boys her age and weight.
    I think It's a very impressive accomplishment. 

    You are a  Mainer I take it?


  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    Go Beavers said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Go Beavers said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Go Beavers said:
    And what he’s saying aligns with a large majority of dems. 
    Why did another Dem get backlash for their comment by the party and have staff quit then though?
    Is that a leading question? I don’t know. Tell
    me what the backlash was specifically. 
    It was in the article:

    "Other Democrats have gotten pushback for comments similar to Newsom’s. Democratic Rep. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts has been vocal about transgender policies and told The New York Times in November that identity politics, particularly around transgender rights, hurt Democrats in the election, saying, “I have two little girls. I don’t want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete. But as a Democrat, I’m supposed to be afraid to say that.”

    Moulton got criticism from Democrats for his comments, and his campaign manager, Matt Chilliak, resigned in response to the remarks, according to The Boston Globe."

    I don’t know what your angle is really. Having people disagree within the group I see as a strength. Tge other option is the forced conformity and compliance we have with republicans. Newsom’s quote from the article highlights the complexity of the issue:

    Newsom addressed both sides of the issue, saying, “You know that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression, and the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well. So both things I can hold in my hand.”
    My angle?

    I thought it was nice to see his comments on the issue as a whole. I like his thoughts on the subject and his thoughts of concern still for the people. 
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,669
    cincybearcat said:
    Go Beavers said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Go Beavers said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Go Beavers said:
    And what he’s saying aligns with a large majority of dems. 
    Why did another Dem get backlash for their comment by the party and have staff quit then though?
    Is that a leading question? I don’t know. Tell
    me what the backlash was specifically. 
    It was in the article:

    "Other Democrats have gotten pushback for comments similar to Newsom’s. Democratic Rep. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts has been vocal about transgender policies and told The New York Times in November that identity politics, particularly around transgender rights, hurt Democrats in the election, saying, “I have two little girls. I don’t want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete. But as a Democrat, I’m supposed to be afraid to say that.”

    Moulton got criticism from Democrats for his comments, and his campaign manager, Matt Chilliak, resigned in response to the remarks, according to The Boston Globe."

    I don’t know what your angle is really. Having people disagree within the group I see as a strength. Tge other option is the forced conformity and compliance we have with republicans. Newsom’s quote from the article highlights the complexity of the issue:

    Newsom addressed both sides of the issue, saying, “You know that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression, and the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well. So both things I can hold in my hand.”
    My angle?

    I thought it was nice to see his comments on the issue as a whole. I like his thoughts on the subject and his thoughts of concern still for the people. 
    For the most part why questions are just argumentative. I couldn’t tell if you think what Newsom said was in the minority of they would be some kind of fallout for him. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,022
    It’s easy to criticize D’s for dancing around issues when you are incorrectly comparing the two parties. R’s have the benefit of having a mantra of keeping things as they are; when you’re a D, and want progress, you are naturally going to have differing views as to the tempo of that progress. So you have to make sure you’re walking that impossible line of supporting everything and everyone while balancing being rational. 

    The hard left are the tug boat pulling the barge where it needs to ultimately go. The weight of the barge dictates the pace. Sometimes that barge thinks it needs to dock and re-supply. The tugboat requires constant movement and lashes out at any blockages. 

    Meanwhile R’s stay ashore, laughing at the whole spectacle, while never allowing themselves to consider a refreshing swim. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Watch: 

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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Watch: 

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  • mickeyrat
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    It’s easy to criticize D’s for dancing around issues when you are incorrectly comparing the two parties. R’s have the benefit of having a mantra of keeping things as they are; when you’re a D, and want progress, you are naturally going to have differing views as to the tempo of that progress. So you have to make sure you’re walking that impossible line of supporting everything and everyone while balancing being rational. 

    The hard left are the tug boat pulling the barge where it needs to ultimately go. The weight of the barge dictates the pace. Sometimes that barge thinks it needs to dock and re-supply. The tugboat requires constant movement and lashes out at any blockages. 

    Meanwhile R’s stay ashore, laughing at the whole spectacle, while never allowing themselves to consider a refreshing swim. 

    well put.
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  • Spunkie
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    California governor says trans athletes in female sports 'deeply unfair'


    Besides the fact that my kid got a concussion from the genetic male goalie, this is also true. The girls had to beat a team with a genetic male goalie a head taller than the rest of the kids to win a provincial medal. Was that fair? F*Ck no. Sure glad Pipsqueak shut down this team. 

    I walked away thinking we need to find a guy willing to say he's a girl to remain competitive. 



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  • Spunkie
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    It's a good thing I'm not as mad as I was. 

    But I'm mad enough (pun intended) that if I could, I would I take a team of boys to the provincials this spring and get them to say their girls and crush all of the girls teams just to make the f****** point.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    It’s easy to criticize D’s for dancing around issues when you are incorrectly comparing the two parties. R’s have the benefit of having a mantra of keeping things as they are; when you’re a D, and want progress, you are naturally going to have differing views as to the tempo of that progress. So you have to make sure you’re walking that impossible line of supporting everything and everyone while balancing being rational. 

    The hard left are the tug boat pulling the barge where it needs to ultimately go. The weight of the barge dictates the pace. Sometimes that barge thinks it needs to dock and re-supply. The tugboat requires constant movement and lashes out at any blockages. 

    Meanwhile R’s stay ashore, laughing at the whole spectacle, while never allowing themselves to consider a refreshing swim. 
    The hard left is pulling “where it needs to go” nah thanks GTFO here with that nonsense 
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 18,031
    Spunkie said:
    It's a good thing I'm not as mad as I was. 

    But I'm mad enough (pun intended) that if I could, I would I take a team of boys to the provincials this spring and get them to say their girls and crush all of the girls teams just to make the f****** point.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,022
    edited March 7
    cincybearcat said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    It’s easy to criticize D’s for dancing around issues when you are incorrectly comparing the two parties. R’s have the benefit of having a mantra of keeping things as they are; when you’re a D, and want progress, you are naturally going to have differing views as to the tempo of that progress. So you have to make sure you’re walking that impossible line of supporting everything and everyone while balancing being rational. 

    The hard left are the tug boat pulling the barge where it needs to ultimately go. The weight of the barge dictates the pace. Sometimes that barge thinks it needs to dock and re-supply. The tugboat requires constant movement and lashes out at any blockages. 

    Meanwhile R’s stay ashore, laughing at the whole spectacle, while never allowing themselves to consider a refreshing swim. 
    The hard left is pulling “where it needs to go” nah thanks GTFO here with that nonsense 
    Slow progress is all I meant by that. They pull as hard as they can, the mainstream pulls back and adopts what is rational. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,022
    I figured that line would get
    misunderstood and trigger some. I should have explained it better. It’s unfortunate that’s all you took from it. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,022
    whether you want to believe it or not, the fact of the matter is, countries that are much further left than the US have a much higher rate of citizen overall happiness. This is fact, not opinion. So you are rejecting happiness because you subscribe to this fallacy that you lose freedom in the process. Or that it’s some slippery slope to communism. But yet you all complain about the super rich controlling everything. Maybe if you folks would make political financing laws a priority, you wouldn’t be in this mess. But it’s probably too late. All politicians in the US, no matter how righteous you believe they are, are beholden to their donors/highest bidder. D’s and R’s alike. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,022
    Back to the topic…my bad…
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I figured that line would get
    misunderstood and trigger some. I should have explained it better. It’s unfortunate that’s all you took from it. 
    Look I posted a couple of things yesterday and all people here did was focus on the smallest word choice.  It's what we do around here apparently ;)

    Honestly, your post was beautiful literature, and I am not joking, it was a nice read.  In regards to the accuracy of your statement I disagree.  
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    whether you want to believe it or not, the fact of the matter is, countries that are much further left than the US have a much higher rate of citizen overall happiness. This is fact, not opinion. So you are rejecting happiness because you subscribe to this fallacy that you lose freedom in the process. Or that it’s some slippery slope to communism. But yet you all complain about the super rich controlling everything. Maybe if you folks would make political financing laws a priority, you wouldn’t be in this mess. But it’s probably too late. All politicians in the US, no matter how righteous you believe they are, are beholden to their donors/highest bidder. D’s and R’s alike. 
    I live a pretty great happy life thanks.
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  • Gern Blansten
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    edited March 7
    Spunkie said:
    It's a good thing I'm not as mad as I was. 

    But I'm mad enough (pun intended) that if I could, I would I take a team of boys to the provincials this spring and get them to say their girls and crush all of the girls teams just to make the f****** point.
    I get it but I imagine part of the reasoning for allowing the goalie that you mention was because the kid probably had no other place to play.

    That's a spot where liberals get caught a lot. They want to be fair to the goalie and not tell them they just can't play 
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  • mace1229
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    Go Beavers said:
    Why is the government in a better position to manage it than the agency/association that controls the sport? We also know the legislation written by republicans is poorly done. 
    I don't think that honor belongs strictly to republicans. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    cincybearcat said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    whether you want to believe it or not, the fact of the matter is, countries that are much further left than the US have a much higher rate of citizen overall happiness. This is fact, not opinion. So you are rejecting happiness because you subscribe to this fallacy that you lose freedom in the process. Or that it’s some slippery slope to communism. But yet you all complain about the super rich controlling everything. Maybe if you folks would make political financing laws a priority, you wouldn’t be in this mess. But it’s probably too late. All politicians in the US, no matter how righteous you believe they are, are beholden to their donors/highest bidder. D’s and R’s alike. 
    I live a pretty great happy life thanks.
    That’s great. I’m not suggesting you, or any one single individual does or doesn’t. I’m talking about studies that show the general populace. 
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