#47 - Musk/trump/Vance

mace1229 · January 22

mrussel1 said:

josevolution said:

https://news.usni.org/2025/01/21/adm-linda-fagan-removed-as-coast-guard-commandant
He fired her does she get to collect her pension?

Employment law would generally say "yes" unless it was for cause.

I would guess so, but I don't know why that is even a thing. Even for bad cops and teachers who do something illegal, I don;t see how their pension can be tied to it. I know it can be, but I don't see how it legally is.
Your pension isn't a reward for years of good service. Most places take money out of your paycheck and invest it for you. It's really no different than taking away someone's private 401k because they got arrested. Or removing someone's SS benefits because they got fired. They pay into it, it's their money.

mace1229 · January 22

HughFreakingDillon said:

I saw on facebook someone posted a Caitlyn Jenner tweet congratulating Trump, and the post below it says "he just ordered the government to call you Bruce". lol

Didn't he only say the government will now only officially recognize 2 genders? He didn't do or say anything about prohibiting sex changes or even name changes, or anything like that. But you will only have 2 choices on official government documents like a passport. I don't think Caitlyn's lifestyle will be affected.

Gern Blansten · January 22

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

josevolution said:

https://news.usni.org/2025/01/21/adm-linda-fagan-removed-as-coast-guard-commandant
He fired her does she get to collect her pension?

Employment law would generally say "yes" unless it was for cause.

I would guess so, but I don't know why that is even a thing. Even for bad cops and teachers who do something illegal, I don;t see how their pension can be tied to it. I know it can be, but I don't see how it legally is.
Your pension isn't a reward for years of good service. Most places take money out of your paycheck and invest it for you. It's really no different than taking away someone's private 401k because they got arrested. Or removing someone's SS benefits because they got fired. They pay into it, it's their money.

LOL...trump fired Andrew McCabe just days (or a day) before he would have qualified for his pension. He had to sue to get it back.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/ex-fbi-official-andrew-mccabe-fired-trump-hours-retirement-will-n1281617

HughFreakingDillon · January 22

yes, mace, the tweet is not intended to be taken 100% seriously. it's part truth, part humour. But the point remains: trans folks won't be able to identify as they are on government docs. Imagine the government telling you, you effectively no longer exist as you are. Some cis folks may think that's not a big deal, but just imagine for a second what a "small" thing like that means to them.

mace1229 · January 22

HughFreakingDillon said:

yes, mace, the tweet is not intended to be taken 100% seriously. it's part truth, part humour. But the point remains: trans folks won't be able to identify as they are on government docs. Imagine the government telling you, you effectively no longer exist as you are. Some cis folks may think that's not a big deal, but just imagine for a second what a "small" thing like that means to them.

I know it's not 100% literal, and assume you knew that as well. But I've seen a lot of uproar about it. And a lot of that implies that people think it's a lot bigger of a sweeping change than it actually is. Having 2 options on government documents and ID's seems reasonable to me. Doesn't it most of the time list it as "sex" and not "gender" anyway on a passport?
And my other point, I didn't see any restriction about which sex to chose, was there? It just eliminated the "X" option. A transgender can still be transgender from what I understand. You just have to pick one.
Go live your life how you want, but your passport that is recognized internationally should be one thing.

mickeyrat · January 22

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There have been internal concerns that Trump Media could be misleading investors, a source said. But with its largest shareholder about to be president, experts doubt the SEC is up to the job of investigating Truth Social’s parent company.

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Last month a major shareholder of a publicly traded company took to social media to complain that people — perhaps short sellers — were spreading lies that could hurt his firm’s stock price.

“There are fake, untrue, and probably illegal rumors,” the post read. “I hereby request that the people who have set off these fake rumors or statements, and who may have done so in the past, be immediately investigated by the appropriate authorities.”

The Securities and Exchange Commission doesn’t typically take its marching orders from shareholders on social media. But in this case, the poster was Donald Trump, who’s just weeks away from being inaugurated and gaining the power to appoint the head of the SEC.

When Trump takes office in January, a president will for the first time be the majority owner of a publicly traded company, Trump Media, which runs Truth Social. Former SEC officials are concerned about how Trump could try to use the agency to go after the foes of his company, which accounts for more than half his fortune. They also worry that the agency isn’t up for the job of taking on Trump Media should it run afoul of securities laws.

Cases involving public companies with aggressive lawyers are difficult “even if you don’t have conflicts of interest and concerns about pissing someone important off,” a current employee in the SEC’s enforcement division said. “I don’t think anyone would explicitly say, ‘Don’t do it,’ but they’d just be like, ‘I could do another case.’”

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Tim Simmons · January 22

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

yes, mace, the tweet is not intended to be taken 100% seriously. it's part truth, part humour. But the point remains: trans folks won't be able to identify as they are on government docs. Imagine the government telling you, you effectively no longer exist as you are. Some cis folks may think that's not a big deal, but just imagine for a second what a "small" thing like that means to them.

But I've seen a lot of uproar about it.

I think the general worry is, that its not stopping at just this. Handwringing for sure, but also, they've explicitly said what else they like to do, so the handwringing seems to have merit.

But what harm was the "x" actually doing? If its about people living their life how they want, how does that designation fall outside of that?

mickeyrat · January 22

https://www.threads.net/@sars_cov.2_covid_19/post/DFHPKG5vYFP?xmt=AQGz54IFKi-k-6T9NaEES0LQd-YVl_Nk_69JNkaMAlPl_A

mickeyrat · January 22

mickeyrat · January 22

needs confirmed as no source was cited.

mickeyrat · January 22

https://www.threads.net/@npr/post/DFIf56zRaE1?xmt=AQGzECz_MDEVL2mwkmU5lyOcFoBoLe9db0X6c8gbT7Xysw

Tim Simmons · January 22

Leopards gonna be eatin' these next few years.

HughFreakingDillon · January 22

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

yes, mace, the tweet is not intended to be taken 100% seriously. it's part truth, part humour. But the point remains: trans folks won't be able to identify as they are on government docs. Imagine the government telling you, you effectively no longer exist as you are. Some cis folks may think that's not a big deal, but just imagine for a second what a "small" thing like that means to them.

I know it's not 100% literal, and assume you knew that as well. But I've seen a lot of uproar about it. And a lot of that implies that people think it's a lot bigger of a sweeping change than it actually is. Having 2 options on government documents and ID's seems reasonable to me. Doesn't it most of the time list it as "sex" and not "gender" anyway on a passport?
And my other point, I didn't see any restriction about which sex to chose, was there? It just eliminated the "X" option. A transgender can still be transgender from what I understand. You just have to pick one.
Go live your life how you want, but your passport that is recognized internationally should be one thing.

the point is to think outside of your priveledged bubble. imagine if your passport only had the options "female" or "trans", how would that make you feel? a little uneasy, right? you might think "I wouldn't care" but that's also because this doesn't happen in every single micro-situation in your life. it does for them. what's the harm in making everyone feel comfortable? especially since it was already there? taking it away is just cruel. cuz with the GOP and MAGA, cruelty is always the point.

Gern Blansten · January 22

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

yes, mace, the tweet is not intended to be taken 100% seriously. it's part truth, part humour. But the point remains: trans folks won't be able to identify as they are on government docs. Imagine the government telling you, you effectively no longer exist as you are. Some cis folks may think that's not a big deal, but just imagine for a second what a "small" thing like that means to them.

I know it's not 100% literal, and assume you knew that as well. But I've seen a lot of uproar about it. And a lot of that implies that people think it's a lot bigger of a sweeping change than it actually is. Having 2 options on government documents and ID's seems reasonable to me. Doesn't it most of the time list it as "sex" and not "gender" anyway on a passport?
And my other point, I didn't see any restriction about which sex to chose, was there? It just eliminated the "X" option. A transgender can still be transgender from what I understand. You just have to pick one.
Go live your life how you want, but your passport that is recognized internationally should be one thing.

the point is to think outside of your priveledged bubble. imagine if your passport only had the options "female" or "trans", how would that make you feel? a little uneasy, right? you might think "I wouldn't care" but that's also because this doesn't happen in every single micro-situation in your life. it does for them. what's the harm in making everyone feel comfortable? especially since it was already there? taking it away is just cruel. cuz with the GOP and MAGA, cruelty is always the point.

And why has the issue been elevated? Like you said, it's just cruelty. It's just a dig at "liberals" for no reason other than to piss people off.

mace1229 · January 22

Tim Simmons said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

yes, mace, the tweet is not intended to be taken 100% seriously. it's part truth, part humour. But the point remains: trans folks won't be able to identify as they are on government docs. Imagine the government telling you, you effectively no longer exist as you are. Some cis folks may think that's not a big deal, but just imagine for a second what a "small" thing like that means to them.

But I've seen a lot of uproar about it.

I think the general worry is, that its not stopping at just this. Handwringing for sure, but also, they've explicitly said what else they like to do, so the handwringing seems to have merit.

But what harm was the "x" actually doing? If its about people living their life how they want, how does that designation fall outside of that?

Makes sense to me to require it for legal purposes. How do you want to be treated if you are searched at the airport, as a male or female? What type of prison, male or female, is best suited for you if you get arrested? There are legal reasons to declare your sex.

Go Beavers · January 22

It’s just giving permission for people to be hostile. Wait until the Ken and Karens unload on middle
school “tomboys”, insisting on seeing their birth certificate before playing sports against their daughters.

Gern Blansten · January 22

Go Beavers said:

It’s just giving permission for people to be hostile. Wait until the Ken and Karens unload on middle
school “tomboys”, insisting on seeing their birth certificate before playing sports against their daughters.

We experienced this about 15 years ago. My daughter's U-14/15 soccer team had a goalie that did look very "tomboyish." A parent of an opposing team had demanded that a female ref take her to the restroom and look at her genitals. Really fucking awkward situation and I felt so bad for the parents and the goalie. Her Dad was rarely able to make any of the games due to work and it was one of the few games he was able to attend and he had to deal with that asshole.

The goalie did transition after high school and now identifies as a male.

Which reminds me....another one of our players was actually supposed to be in a team one year above ours. Her father doctored her birth certificate to keep her a year under. This fucker is one of the biggest magats in my FB feed. Nice guy personally but a true magat online and a fucking fraud. I couldn't believe he did that.

Halifax2TheMax · January 22

Have we moved on from drones again?

Tim Simmons · January 22

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

yes, mace, the tweet is not intended to be taken 100% seriously. it's part truth, part humour. But the point remains: trans folks won't be able to identify as they are on government docs. Imagine the government telling you, you effectively no longer exist as you are. Some cis folks may think that's not a big deal, but just imagine for a second what a "small" thing like that means to them.

But I've seen a lot of uproar about it.

I think the general worry is, that its not stopping at just this. Handwringing for sure, but also, they've explicitly said what else they like to do, so the handwringing seems to have merit.

But what harm was the "x" actually doing? If its about people living their life how they want, how does that designation fall outside of that?

Makes sense to me to require it for legal purposes. How do you want to be treated if you are searched at the airport, as a male or female? What type of prison, male or female, is best suited for you if you get arrested? There are legal reasons to declare your sex.

I would think at that point an 'x' would then have someone ask, how do you identify and how should we treat you. the courtesy can go both ways. I'm sure TSA doesn't want a surprise. Again, this is not the biggest ask. Its about drawing a line where no one was truly put out by the other way of doing it.

mrussel1 · January 22

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

yes, mace, the tweet is not intended to be taken 100% seriously. it's part truth, part humour. But the point remains: trans folks won't be able to identify as they are on government docs. Imagine the government telling you, you effectively no longer exist as you are. Some cis folks may think that's not a big deal, but just imagine for a second what a "small" thing like that means to them.

But I've seen a lot of uproar about it.

I think the general worry is, that its not stopping at just this. Handwringing for sure, but also, they've explicitly said what else they like to do, so the handwringing seems to have merit.

But what harm was the "x" actually doing? If its about people living their life how they want, how does that designation fall outside of that?

Makes sense to me to require it for legal purposes. How do you want to be treated if you are searched at the airport, as a male or female? What type of prison, male or female, is best suited for you if you get arrested? There are legal reasons to declare your sex.

I think it's cute that you think that's the reason why they are doing it, to make it more comfortable for you when you're searched or arrested. Hilarious.

#47 - Musk/trump/Vance

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Donald Trump Controls a Publicly Traded Company. Now He Will Pick Its Regulator.

There have been internal concerns that Trump Media could be misleading investors, a source said. But with its largest shareholder about to be president, experts doubt the SEC is up to the job of investigating Truth Social’s parent company.

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