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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,274
    We all like “our schools” but some about paying millions to live vicariously is sad. The original NIL was Ed O’Bannon suing for the use of his image in a video game, right? It’s not NIL anymore; it’s straight cash homey.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,811
    pjhawks said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    pjhawks said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Wobbie said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Let the kids make money. If anything they're still not making enough money.
    Agree 1000%.

    Disagree 100%.

    It’s ridiculously uneven. Deion’s kid $6M?
    How is that disagreeing 100%?
    Sounds like you are good with them getting paid (unsure how anyone can be against that given what whoring them out for years earned the NCAA) but would like to see the system even out some.
    To say they weren’t paid is a misnomer.  If you’re gonna pay them a millions dollars let’s take their scholarships away.  It’s not like education is even a priority anymore.  
    The cost of 4 years of school vs what the universities were making is not anything I consider true payment.  
    Full disclosure, I hate the NCAA with a burning passion.  They fucking suck, so I am not an unbiased party in this discussion. 
    Another misnomer.  Very few athletic departments make money (google says only 28 in 2021 in D1)  Football and some basketball are funding every other sport at these universities.  The scam of NIL is that it’s not the schools paying the players but alumni fans and donors.  So right now paying players is only hurting the schools from those funds now funding NIL are not going to  the University directly.  Frankly the current NIL system for most of these schools is not sustainable.  Once the rules change and schools are forced to use their own funds you will also start seeing schools dropping sports.  I think long term if schools are forced to pay players the amount of division 1 opportunities will decrease.  
    You share some good points, and i agree wirh many, but I think you may be short selling athletes on the football and basketball teams that are making the universities such a tremendous amount of money.

    The fact is that, on the whole, football players at D1 schools make the schools a tremendous profit.
    They deserve more than what the average player is getting through NIL, imo.  

    I can't solve the NCAA's many issues, but I don't feel the need to do so in order to point out how I feel about football players deserving to be well compensated for the way they destroy their bodies for the entertainment of millions of fans.


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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    F Me In The Brain said:
    pjhawks said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    pjhawks said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Wobbie said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Let the kids make money. If anything they're still not making enough money.
    Agree 1000%.

    Disagree 100%.

    It’s ridiculously uneven. Deion’s kid $6M?
    How is that disagreeing 100%?
    Sounds like you are good with them getting paid (unsure how anyone can be against that given what whoring them out for years earned the NCAA) but would like to see the system even out some.
    To say they weren’t paid is a misnomer.  If you’re gonna pay them a millions dollars let’s take their scholarships away.  It’s not like education is even a priority anymore.  
    The cost of 4 years of school vs what the universities were making is not anything I consider true payment.  
    Full disclosure, I hate the NCAA with a burning passion.  They fucking suck, so I am not an unbiased party in this discussion. 
    Another misnomer.  Very few athletic departments make money (google says only 28 in 2021 in D1)  Football and some basketball are funding every other sport at these universities.  The scam of NIL is that it’s not the schools paying the players but alumni fans and donors.  So right now paying players is only hurting the schools from those funds now funding NIL are not going to  the University directly.  Frankly the current NIL system for most of these schools is not sustainable.  Once the rules change and schools are forced to use their own funds you will also start seeing schools dropping sports.  I think long term if schools are forced to pay players the amount of division 1 opportunities will decrease.  
    You share some good points, and i agree wirh many, but I think you may be short selling athletes on the football and basketball teams that are making the universities such a tremendous amount of money.

    The fact is that, on the whole, football players at D1 schools make the schools a tremendous profit.
    They deserve more than what the average player is getting through NIL, imo.  

    I can't solve the NCAA's many issues, but I don't feel the need to do so in order to point out how I feel about football players deserving to be well compensated for the way they destroy their bodies for the entertainment of millions of fans.


    It’s not a profit.  Only 28 schools athletic departments made a profit.  The only way to profit is to not fund any of the other sports. That’s not possible under Title IX.  It’s a lot more complicated an issue than just the players deserve money. 

    And I do think people don’t always know or take into account the large number of advantages these football and basketball players get even over other sports athletes.  
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,274
    F Me In The Brain said:
    pjhawks said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    pjhawks said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Wobbie said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Let the kids make money. If anything they're still not making enough money.
    Agree 1000%.

    Disagree 100%.

    It’s ridiculously uneven. Deion’s kid $6M?
    How is that disagreeing 100%?
    Sounds like you are good with them getting paid (unsure how anyone can be against that given what whoring them out for years earned the NCAA) but would like to see the system even out some.
    To say they weren’t paid is a misnomer.  If you’re gonna pay them a millions dollars let’s take their scholarships away.  It’s not like education is even a priority anymore.  
    The cost of 4 years of school vs what the universities were making is not anything I consider true payment.  
    Full disclosure, I hate the NCAA with a burning passion.  They fucking suck, so I am not an unbiased party in this discussion. 
    Another misnomer.  Very few athletic departments make money (google says only 28 in 2021 in D1)  Football and some basketball are funding every other sport at these universities.  The scam of NIL is that it’s not the schools paying the players but alumni fans and donors.  So right now paying players is only hurting the schools from those funds now funding NIL are not going to  the University directly.  Frankly the current NIL system for most of these schools is not sustainable.  Once the rules change and schools are forced to use their own funds you will also start seeing schools dropping sports.  I think long term if schools are forced to pay players the amount of division 1 opportunities will decrease.  
    You share some good points, and i agree wirh many, but I think you may be short selling athletes on the football and basketball teams that are making the universities such a tremendous amount of money.

    The fact is that, on the whole, football players at D1 schools make the schools a tremendous profit.
    They deserve more than what the average player is getting through NIL, imo.  

    I can't solve the NCAA's many issues, but I don't feel the need to do so in order to point out how I feel about football players deserving to be well compensated for the way they destroy their bodies for the entertainment of millions of fans.


    How many NFL prospects have actually been do injured in college that they never “got their shot”? I’m sure there’s some but I can’t think of any. 
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,274
    Give ‘em a hundred thou a year, max, and call it good.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
    Missoula 24
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,811
    Wobbie said:
    Give ‘em a hundred thou a year, max, and call it good.
    Give everyone that amount?

    I don't have the answers.  
    F the NCAA, though.

    NFL thread.  
    Not excited about Saturday tripleheader.  
    Was a time I would have been.  
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,889
    Well the Jets finally saw what it is like to have an NFL caliber QB run their team in the 4th quarter. Wasted the full season letting him languish on the bench while the 41 year old GM tried his hand at it instead.
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  • mickeyrat
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,604
    Poncier said:
    Well the Jets finally saw what it is like to have an NFL caliber QB run their team in the 4th quarter. Wasted the full season letting him languish on the bench while the 41 year old GM tried his hand at it instead.
    Good I hope we have seen the last of this asshole in the uniform I’ve never rooted against any of the past jets failed quarterback’s until this past two seasons! 
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,889
    josevolution said:
    Poncier said:
    Well the Jets finally saw what it is like to have an NFL caliber QB run their team in the 4th quarter. Wasted the full season letting him languish on the bench while the 41 year old GM tried his hand at it instead.
    Good I hope we have seen the last of this asshole in the uniform I’ve never rooted against any of the past jets failed quarterback’s until this past two seasons! 
    As Wroggers is also the de facto GM, he'll be a Jet again next season. Enjoy that.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,604
    Poncier said:
    josevolution said:
    Poncier said:
    Well the Jets finally saw what it is like to have an NFL caliber QB run their team in the 4th quarter. Wasted the full season letting him languish on the bench while the 41 year old GM tried his hand at it instead.
    Good I hope we have seen the last of this asshole in the uniform I’ve never rooted against any of the past jets failed quarterback’s until this past two seasons! 
    As Wroggers is also the de facto GM, he'll be a Jet again next season. Enjoy that.
    I watched the 1st couple of plays when he went down in his 1st season and that was it! I haven’t watched another snap and won’t till he’s gone and Woodie sells the team! 
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,853
    The Jets were on the right track.  They had a lot of young top-end looking players on rookie deals and more assets.  I think Saleh also inspires players to work hard which is a good and important trait.   

    The Rodgers thing completely destroyed that whole thing.  What a disaster.  
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,879
    Poncier said:
    josevolution said:
    Poncier said:
    Well the Jets finally saw what it is like to have an NFL caliber QB run their team in the 4th quarter. Wasted the full season letting him languish on the bench while the 41 year old GM tried his hand at it instead.
    Good I hope we have seen the last of this asshole in the uniform I’ve never rooted against any of the past jets failed quarterback’s until this past two seasons! 
    As Wroggers is also the de facto GM, he'll be a Jet again next season. Enjoy that.


    First, there are zero things enjoyable about being a jets fan. It's who we are, and we are not going to bandwagon to the out of town teams like all the cowboy and Steeler fans in the world.


    Rodgers and the jets are bad enough without an absurd comparison to two garbage time forty point deficit team touchdowns.

    The jets lose decade after decade because they consistently make mistakes when the game is competitive. It's who they are and will always be until the Johnsons are out of there. Taylor proved nothing. Put him in as the starter before elimination and he will lose just like Sam, Aaron and Geno did.
  • The Juggler
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,889

    This weekend we rock Portland
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,408
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Poncier said:
    josevolution said:
    Poncier said:
    Well the Jets finally saw what it is like to have an NFL caliber QB run their team in the 4th quarter. Wasted the full season letting him languish on the bench while the 41 year old GM tried his hand at it instead.
    Good I hope we have seen the last of this asshole in the uniform I’ve never rooted against any of the past jets failed quarterback’s until this past two seasons! 
    As Wroggers is also the de facto GM, he'll be a Jet again next season. Enjoy that.


    First, there are zero things enjoyable about being a jets fan. It's who we are, and we are not going to bandwagon to the out of town teams like all the cowboy and Steeler fans in the world.


    Rodgers and the jets are bad enough without an absurd comparison to two garbage time forty point deficit team touchdowns.

    The jets lose decade after decade because they consistently make mistakes when the game is competitive. It's who they are and will always be until the Johnsons are out of there. Taylor proved nothing. Put him in as the starter before elimination and he will lose just like Sam, Aaron and Geno did.

    excuse me. steelers fan since a kid in the 70's. to include the 80's.....
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mickeyrat said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Poncier said:
    josevolution said:
    Poncier said:
    Well the Jets finally saw what it is like to have an NFL caliber QB run their team in the 4th quarter. Wasted the full season letting him languish on the bench while the 41 year old GM tried his hand at it instead.
    Good I hope we have seen the last of this asshole in the uniform I’ve never rooted against any of the past jets failed quarterback’s until this past two seasons! 
    As Wroggers is also the de facto GM, he'll be a Jet again next season. Enjoy that.


    First, there are zero things enjoyable about being a jets fan. It's who we are, and we are not going to bandwagon to the out of town teams like all the cowboy and Steeler fans in the world.


    Rodgers and the jets are bad enough without an absurd comparison to two garbage time forty point deficit team touchdowns.

    The jets lose decade after decade because they consistently make mistakes when the game is competitive. It's who they are and will always be until the Johnsons are out of there. Taylor proved nothing. Put him in as the starter before elimination and he will lose just like Sam, Aaron and Geno did.

    excuse me. steelers fan since a kid in the 70's. to include the 80's.....
    No offense but it’s not real hard become and  stay a Steelers fan. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,185
    MayDay10 said:
    The Jets were on the right track.  They had a lot of young top-end looking players on rookie deals and more assets.  I think Saleh also inspires players to work hard which is a good and important trait.   

    The Rodgers thing completely destroyed that whole thing.  What a disaster.  
    Yeah Rodgers clearly is giving like 33% effort. I can't imagine him being there next year.
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  • mickeyrat
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    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Poncier said:
    josevolution said:
    Poncier said:
    Well the Jets finally saw what it is like to have an NFL caliber QB run their team in the 4th quarter. Wasted the full season letting him languish on the bench while the 41 year old GM tried his hand at it instead.
    Good I hope we have seen the last of this asshole in the uniform I’ve never rooted against any of the past jets failed quarterback’s until this past two seasons! 
    As Wroggers is also the de facto GM, he'll be a Jet again next season. Enjoy that.


    First, there are zero things enjoyable about being a jets fan. It's who we are, and we are not going to bandwagon to the out of town teams like all the cowboy and Steeler fans in the world.


    Rodgers and the jets are bad enough without an absurd comparison to two garbage time forty point deficit team touchdowns.

    The jets lose decade after decade because they consistently make mistakes when the game is competitive. It's who they are and will always be until the Johnsons are out of there. Taylor proved nothing. Put him in as the starter before elimination and he will lose just like Sam, Aaron and Geno did.

    excuse me. steelers fan since a kid in the 70's. to include the 80's.....
    No offense but it’s not real hard become and  stay a Steelers fan. 

    none taken. damn sight better than browns heartbreak year on year...
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,879
    The Juggler said:
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