10C Lottery Results - May 2025 US

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  • JBob87
    JBob87 Posts: 485
    edited December 2024
    Shaggy said:
    I'm starting to think that a "true" lottery is not being used for the draws.  It doesn't seem that they are randomly drawing members continuously until the allotment is complete.  From the comments posted and the results, my impression is they are just taking the list of entrants in order of submission and picking a starting # and filling sequentially from there, with a new starting # draw for each show.  Seems like the best results were from people who registered later in the signup window vs people who signed up immediately.
    To me it is extremely unlikely that they are drawing show by show (or even ticket groupings i.e. GA/Res within a show) like they did in the past.

    There have been way too many people that have won GA for multiple (sometimes 3-4) shows for that to be the case. Given the historical odds we have been given for GA that is just outside the bounds of statistical possibility. With the caveat that we do NOT truly have the data to know this.

    My best guess is that each entry is randomly assigned a #, then they pick a show/ticket type and start from the beginning of the list of #s and give out tickets to entries that requested that ticket type until they are out of tickets. That would explain why we are seeing a lot more "feast" and "famine" then we used to. The timing bit is interesting, but likely anecdotal / random. 
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  • JBob87
    JBob87 Posts: 485
    rrancani said:
    I got into N2 Hollywood. 

    Wondering if the lottery is at least partially tied to your address? Tried to get Philly tix last year via the lottery and got shut out(used to live in the Philly area so planned to fly back for the show). I live in FL now. 
    I got shut out for the United Center and live a 10min walk away so I doubt it
  • Ajm343s
    Ajm343s Cedarburg, Wisconsin Posts: 38
    edited December 2024
    10C # is 733xxx.  I've got tickets for every show that I've put in for, although I haven't got chosen for GA tickets yet, either.
    Reserved for N2 St. Paul and N2 Ft. Worth in 2023.
    Reserved for N1 Vegas and both Wrigley shows in 2024.
    Reserved for both Nashville's and both Pittsburgh's in 2025.
    Post edited by Ajm343s on
    St. Louis, MO (2022)
    Oklahoma City, OK (2022)
    St. Paul, MN N2 (2023)
    Ft. Worth, TX N2 (2023)
    Las Vegas, NV N1 (2024)
    Chicago, IL N1 and N2 (2024)
    Nashville, TN N1 and N2 (2025)
    Pittsburgh, PA N1 and N2 (2025)
  • Spoken
    Spoken Posts: 1,499
    I feel like the Artist Presale is just a way of Ticketmaster seeing how many people sign up to a given show, so they can gauge how big the demand is so they can sell the tickets at the highest prices based on demand…
  • mpedone
    mpedone 540xxx - Manchester, NH Posts: 1,961
    PJNB said:
    mpedone said:
    PJNB said:
    I wish there was more info given to us. 

    How many people put in for Raleigh? How many won? It would not be that difficult to give us that info. Also give me a heads up if something was flagged on my account or my wife's that prevented us from getting tickets. 

    Tell us how the lotto works. Do they in fact do it show by show with GA being filled first like they did in the past and then RES or are they really picking a request number and giving everyone everything they want and the people that are on the backside of that number will end up with nothing. 

    They took priority away from us they took odds away from us they took GA only away from us and now we need to just put our faith its a fair system. Those things I just mentioned helped us prove the lotto was fairly done. Now we have nothing. Pretty frustrating to be honest. 

    They messed up priority bad in 2023. We were able to catch it as fans on this board and 10C made the change and redid the lotto which was a great thing to do. It was still messed up but at least they tried. Now we just take whatever they give us and people just say its a lotto what do you expect. I expect to win at least one RES for Raleigh out of 4 tries. There is no way the demand for that show is so great I would miss out on it that many times based of previous demand for these shows. I just dont believe it. 

    If I am wrong and the demand was there enough to have me miss all 4 shows then they have broken the lotto allowing people put in for shows that have no desire to even go to gambling on GA and just having fan to fan to throw the tickets back to. I dont expect a response from 10C on this but it does not take a rocket scientist to see this is a broken system for some fans. 
    Do you have 4 accounts? I think you went 0/2.

    And, I think there is overwhelming evidence that the draw is member-by-member and not show-by-show. The wording of the pre-sale announcement indicates it, and the results bear it out. Yes, people are simply putting in for all shows and selling what they don't want. Yes, their number might get drawn before your numbers.
    Some people won only one with Raleigh So yes, I went 0-4 With two accounts
    They put in for two tickets and only won a single? 

    Either way, 0/2 or 0/4 (while many hit 100%) would be highly unlikely with a show-by-show draw, which means it's probably not a show-by-show draw. 
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,920
    Spoken said:
    I feel like the Artist Presale is just a way of Ticketmaster seeing how many people sign up to a given show, so they can gauge how big the demand is so they can sell the tickets at the highest prices based on demand…
    I'm sure the number of folks registering factors into their PJ Premium pricing algorithm.
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  • TahoeJeff
    TahoeJeff Seattle Posts: 161
    Shaggy said:
    I'm starting to think that a "true" lottery is not being used for the draws.  It doesn't seem that they are randomly drawing members continuously until the allotment is complete.  From the comments posted and the results, my impression is they are just taking the list of entrants in order of submission and picking a starting # and filling sequentially from there, with a new starting # draw for each show.  Seems like the best results were from people who registered later in the signup window vs people who signed up immediately.
    I registered for Nashville N1 & N2 on the very last day of eligibility, and I got both. I'm not so sure that order of submission had anything to do with it.
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  • Douglas12373
    Douglas12373 Posts: 388
    Maybe some folks don't see a lot of shows outside of PJ, but if you've been buying tickets post pandemic, it is very clear that demand has increased exponentially. A lot of folks got the FOMO bug post pandemic, and shows by popular acts, ESPECIALLY legacy acts, across the industry have seen significantly increased demand.
    Another factor is that Gen Xers, the overwhelming majority of PJ fans, now are by and large empty nesters with more disposable income than they did 10 years ago, 20 years ago, etc. If you're in any of the PJ facebook groups, 3 out of every 4 posts is from someone who has been a fan for 30 years but couldn't ever see the band before because of kids/jobs/money/time/etc. They are all in the market now, with the pandemic kick in the ass that this might all go away again, and maybe for more than just 18 months.
    Do you see how many people are paying $500+ to see AC/DC in 2024? A band that hasn't been popular in, I dunno, at least 30 years. Oasis barely filled theaters the last time they were in the US, now they are filling football stadiums.
    The market has drastically changed, and as pointed out above several times, PJ plays a tiny fraction of the shows they used to play. Increased demand, decreased supply. I know its human nature to think you've been screwed if a fellow human has what you do not, but its just numbers.
  • Reissy
    Reissy St. Louis Posts: 451
    My 10C number is 763XXX. This was the first lottery I've entered, went 2/4. Florida N2 GA and Nashville N1 RES. I submitted my request the evening of the first night open for entries. 

    Not an expert here, but it does seem that demand is likely higher, given that there are only 10 shows and possibly fewer seats reserved for 10C than in the past.
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  • TahoeJeff
    TahoeJeff Seattle Posts: 161
    Douglas12373 said:
    Maybe some folks don't see a lot of shows outside of PJ, but if you've been buying tickets post pandemic, it is very clear that demand has increased exponentially. A lot of folks got the FOMO bug post pandemic, and shows by popular acts, ESPECIALLY legacy acts, across the industry have seen significantly increased demand.
    Another factor is that Gen Xers, the overwhelming majority of PJ fans, now are by and large empty nesters with more disposable income than they did 10 years ago, 20 years ago, etc. If you're in any of the PJ facebook groups, 3 out of every 4 posts is from someone who has been a fan for 30 years but couldn't ever see the band before because of kids/jobs/money/time/etc. They are all in the market now, with the pandemic kick in the ass that this might all go away again, and maybe for more than just 18 months.
    Do you see how many people are paying $500+ to see AC/DC in 2024? A band that hasn't been popular in, I dunno, at least 30 years. Oasis barely filled theaters the last time they were in the US, now they are filling football stadiums.
    The market has drastically changed, and as pointed out above several times, PJ plays a tiny fraction of the shows they used to play. Increased demand, decreased supply. I know its human nature to think you've been screwed if a fellow human has what you do not, but its just numbers.
    These are all very valid points. Not to mention they just put out a fantastic new album, and there may be a group of folks who have renewed interest.
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  • iOnlyownMymind
    iOnlyownMymind Posts: 2,961
    IMO there should be priority in place and limited to two tickets per household for a show, not per account, and a max of few shows that could be won.  Maybe they are way fewer 10c tickets this go around? That plus people putting in for shows they won't attend, plus multiple accounts, etc. No wonder 10c likes this system.  Sells loads of memberships, shows sell out, and they don't have to do much with Ticketmaster handling the draw.  Personally, none of these places looked remotely interesting to travel to, but I wish I could attend with an easy flight or driving option. 
  • gotthebottle
    gotthebottle San Diego Posts: 3,820
    edited December 2024
    Remember when a pair of 10C tix to Wrigley 2016(I was GA) was $188?.... and $245 in 2018
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  • Douglas12373
    Douglas12373 Posts: 388
    Hell, I remember when a pair of tickets was $40
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,581
    Douglas12373 said:
    Maybe some folks don't see a lot of shows outside of PJ, but if you've been buying tickets post pandemic, it is very clear that demand has increased exponentially. A lot of folks got the FOMO bug post pandemic, and shows by popular acts, ESPECIALLY legacy acts, across the industry have seen significantly increased demand.
    Another factor is that Gen Xers, the overwhelming majority of PJ fans, now are by and large empty nesters with more disposable income than they did 10 years ago, 20 years ago, etc. If you're in any of the PJ facebook groups, 3 out of every 4 posts is from someone who has been a fan for 30 years but couldn't ever see the band before because of kids/jobs/money/time/etc. They are all in the market now, with the pandemic kick in the ass that this might all go away again, and maybe for more than just 18 months.
    Do you see how many people are paying $500+ to see AC/DC in 2024? A band that hasn't been popular in, I dunno, at least 30 years. Oasis barely filled theaters the last time they were in the US, now they are filling football stadiums.
    The market has drastically changed, and as pointed out above several times, PJ plays a tiny fraction of the shows they used to play. Increased demand, decreased supply. I know its human nature to think you've been screwed if a fellow human has what you do not, but its just numbers.
    System of a Down and Oasis are selling out stadiums. What a world.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,581
    I don't think they should put hard limits on the number of shows you can be pulled for or anything like that. They gotta sell tickets first and foremost. The prioritization really was the sweet spot.
  • aisleseats
    aisleseats Posts: 1,628
    TahoeJeff said:
    Shaggy said:
    I'm starting to think that a "true" lottery is not being used for the draws.  It doesn't seem that they are randomly drawing members continuously until the allotment is complete.  From the comments posted and the results, my impression is they are just taking the list of entrants in order of submission and picking a starting # and filling sequentially from there, with a new starting # draw for each show.  Seems like the best results were from people who registered later in the signup window vs people who signed up immediately.
    I registered for Nashville N1 & N2 on the very last day of eligibility, and I got both. I'm not so sure that order of submission had anything to do with it.
    And I signed up the minute the lottery opened, and got both. I don't think the order of submission had anything to do with anything.
  • BV84003
    BV84003 Holt, MI Posts: 478
    edited December 2024
    There's so little transparency in this club in regard to almost every aspect, so I don't foresee them EVER disclosing how the lottery truly works - all we can do is assume GA is drawn first, followed by reserve, on a show by show basis. And that it's all completely random, even if some results seem to pull that into question.
    We don't know how many 10c members there even are. We don't know how many of those people entered the lottery. We don't know the average amount of shows a member signed up for. We don't know how many tickets per show were allocated. Even just simply announcing how many members signed up for each show vs how many tickets were available would be a great olive branch in terms of some miniscule amount of transparency and reasoning. 
    Post edited by BV84003 on
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  • TahoeJeff
    TahoeJeff Seattle Posts: 161
    BV84003 said:
    There's so little transparency in this club in regard to almost every aspect, so I don't foresee them EVER disclosing how the lottery truly works - all we can do is assume GA is drawn first, followed by reserve, on a show by show basis. And that it's all completely random, even if some results seem to pull that into question.
    We don't know how many 10c members there even are. We don't know how many of those people entered the lottery. We don't know the average amount of shows a member signed up for. We don't know how many tickets per show were allocated. Even just simply announcing how many members signed up for each show vs how many tickets were available would be a great olive branch in terms of some miniscule amount of transparency and reasoning. 
    I swear that I read it was random. I choose to believe them since nothing else seems to make sense.
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  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    pjl44 said:
    Douglas12373 said:
    Maybe some folks don't see a lot of shows outside of PJ, but if you've been buying tickets post pandemic, it is very clear that demand has increased exponentially. A lot of folks got the FOMO bug post pandemic, and shows by popular acts, ESPECIALLY legacy acts, across the industry have seen significantly increased demand.
    Another factor is that Gen Xers, the overwhelming majority of PJ fans, now are by and large empty nesters with more disposable income than they did 10 years ago, 20 years ago, etc. If you're in any of the PJ facebook groups, 3 out of every 4 posts is from someone who has been a fan for 30 years but couldn't ever see the band before because of kids/jobs/money/time/etc. They are all in the market now, with the pandemic kick in the ass that this might all go away again, and maybe for more than just 18 months.
    Do you see how many people are paying $500+ to see AC/DC in 2024? A band that hasn't been popular in, I dunno, at least 30 years. Oasis barely filled theaters the last time they were in the US, now they are filling football stadiums.
    The market has drastically changed, and as pointed out above several times, PJ plays a tiny fraction of the shows they used to play. Increased demand, decreased supply. I know its human nature to think you've been screwed if a fellow human has what you do not, but its just numbers.
    System of a Down and Oasis are selling out stadiums. What a world.
    SOAD just added second nights at each stadium show as well. Crazy. Still, both can be true. People may be underestimating demand, but that doesn't mean the lottery wasn't also screwed up. 
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,434
    These results do speak to true randomness. Aside from the Raleigh make-up thing and maybe they shut down double accounts.
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