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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,552
    Someone who can appeal to me offer something to working class Americans. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,552
    I thought this was interesting. 

    AOC asked her followers who voted for her and Trump to weigh in on why.

    Kinda illuminating and Democrats need to take it to heart if they want to win.

    https://x.com/aaronnarraph/status/1855962504712552829
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,552
    The sad disconnect is Trump doesn't really want to do shit for Working Class people, but we already knew that. But also, most Americans are not deeply engaged in policy.


  • DE4173
    DE4173 Posts: 2,808
    From the candidates that received Democratic Pledged Delegates for 2020 and outlook for 2028 run:

    Sanders: Probably not.

    Warren: Maybe? I'd like her and would like to see her back.

    Bloomberg: Maybe?

    Buttigieg: Maybe unless he seeks another role. I like him a lot and hope he runs again.

    Klobuchar: Maybe? I hope she runs again.

    Gabbard: I'm going to go out on a limb and say no. We'll see...😉


    A deep bench for sure after this group.
    1993: 11/22 Little Rock
    1996; 9/28 New York
    1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
    1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
    2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,178
    DE4173 said:
    From the candidates that received Democratic Pledged Delegates for 2020 and outlook for 2028 run:

    Sanders: Probably not.

    Warren: Maybe? I'd like her and would like to see her back.

    Bloomberg: Maybe?

    Buttigieg: Maybe unless he seeks another role. I like him a lot and hope he runs again.

    Klobuchar: Maybe? I hope she runs again.

    Gabbard: I'm going to go out on a limb and say no. We'll see...😉


    A deep bench for sure after this group.
    Sanders/Bloom/Warren are too old...not going to happen

    I'm not sure if Buttigieg would have a shot. Electing a woman seems to be a giant hurdle and I have a hard time seeing a homosexual get over that. I think he is great though. Well spoken and intelligent as hell.

    Newsom...really like him but I do wonder if he would be considered "too liberal"? 


    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,552
    The dems need to put up an outsider. Maybe a governor who can deliver for the working class. 

    AOC is not a bad candidate. 
  • mookieblalock
    mookieblalock Posts: 3,570
    Tim Simmons said:
    The dems need to put up an outsider. Maybe a governor who can deliver for the working class. 

    AOC is not a bad candidate. 
    Respectfully, she’s a terrible candidate; too far left to get the majority of votes, no matter what you think of her or her policies. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,552
    But her policies are what the working class voters want.

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Tim Simmons said:
    But her policies are what the working class voters want.

    Mookie’s right. She will easily be labelled a communist/marxist and would get trounced. Going farther left would be a massive mistake. 

    Dems need to focus on personality. A very large swath of trump voters clearly don’t understand policy and how he’ll make the lives of the middle class worse. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,552
    What can the center offer to bring back voters?

  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,552
    Kamala was pretty center. Several policies were more left. And voters still said nah.

  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,178
    Harris had it right to increase the child credit...not sure why she didn't push that a lot harder.

    She had a good idea with the $50K deduction for self employed people too. trump pushed his "no tax on tips" shit but that only benefits certain people and doesn't really make sense. Why should their income be exempt but a roofer's income isn't? Stupid.

    Dems should run on eliminating the income tax for those making $50K or less. 
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,552
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    But her policies are what the working class voters want.

    She will easily be labelled a communist/marxist . 
    They are gonna do this with whoever they put up. Moving to the right will not prevent this.

  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,552
    edited November 2024
    Probably why they want to dismantle the DOE and public schooling. To prevent people from learning what Communism really is so they can define it.

  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,235
    Gern Blansten said:
    DE4173 said:
    From the candidates that received Democratic Pledged Delegates for 2020 and outlook for 2028 run:

    Sanders: Probably not.

    Warren: Maybe? I'd like her and would like to see her back.

    Bloomberg: Maybe?

    Buttigieg: Maybe unless he seeks another role. I like him a lot and hope he runs again.

    Klobuchar: Maybe? I hope she runs again.

    Gabbard: I'm going to go out on a limb and say no. We'll see...😉


    A deep bench for sure after this group.
    Sanders/Bloom/Warren are too old...not going to happen

    I'm not sure if Buttigieg would have a shot. Electing a woman seems to be a giant hurdle and I have a hard time seeing a homosexual get over that. I think he is great though. Well spoken and intelligent as hell.

    Newsom...really like him but I do wonder if he would be considered "too liberal"? 


    The few times I've listened to Pete Buttigieg he's very impressive and quick-witted. 

    But, since the Country has no desire to Elect a woman I doubt the Country would elect a gay man. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Tim Simmons said:
    The dems need to put up an outsider. Maybe a governor who can deliver for the working class. 

    AOC is not a bad candidate. 

    Am I the only one who wonders why the working class feels so down trodden?  The bigger problem is that a few people have almost all the wealth.   And besides, the working class are better off now under Biden than they will be under the Felon's thumb.   And maybe we need more emphasis on learning the difference between want and need.  And why is the growth economy (which is based on the belief in growth for the sake of growth, the ideology of the cancer cell) the focus of so much of politics rather than the health of the planet, and equality, and ending racism, sexism, and homophobia?  This whole thing seems all out of whack to me.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,178
    brianlux said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    The dems need to put up an outsider. Maybe a governor who can deliver for the working class. 

    AOC is not a bad candidate. 

    Am I the only one who wonders why the working class feels so down trodden?  The bigger problem is that a few people have almost all the wealth.   And besides, the working class are better off now under Biden than they will be under the Felon's thumb.   And maybe we need more emphasis on learning the difference between want and need.  And why is the growth economy (which is based on the belief in growth for the sake of growth, the ideology of the cancer cell) the focus of so much of politics rather than the health of the planet, and equality, and ending racism, sexism, and homophobia?  This whole thing seems all out of whack to me.

    They were left out. Harris should have courted them more with tax cuts, etc. She did throw out several ideas but it just didn't stick like the "no tax on tips, no tax on OT" bullshit from captain fuckface.

    In hindsight they really blew it with the low income voters and male GenZ
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Tim Simmons said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    But her policies are what the working class voters want.

    She will easily be labelled a communist/marxist . 
    They are gonna do this with whoever they put up. Moving to the right will not prevent this.

    That’s why policy doesn’t even matter at this point. It’s messaging. I’m convinced more than ever that the best messenger wins. Policy be damned. 

    But AOC is easy to convince the voters that she is a commie/terrorist/whatever. They’ve already done it. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,552
    brianlux said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    The dems need to put up an outsider. Maybe a governor who can deliver for the working class. 

    AOC is not a bad candidate. 

      And why is the growth economy (which is based on the belief in growth for the sake of growth, the ideology of the cancer cell) the focus of so much of politics rather than the health of the planet, and equality, and ending racism, sexism, and homophobia?  This whole thing seems all out of whack to me.

    Because humans are inherently selfish.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Tim Simmons said:
    brianlux said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    The dems need to put up an outsider. Maybe a governor who can deliver for the working class. 

    AOC is not a bad candidate. 

      And why is the growth economy (which is based on the belief in growth for the sake of growth, the ideology of the cancer cell) the focus of so much of politics rather than the health of the planet, and equality, and ending racism, sexism, and homophobia?  This whole thing seems all out of whack to me.

    Because humans are inherently selfish.

    Yeah, lol, ain't that the truth!   Too bad being selfish is so often very self-defeating. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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