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  • 2023
    I think the candy corn is more natural.
    And probably smarter. At least it wouldn’t stare at the sun during an eclipse.
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  • 2023
    And yo, WaPo? This is how you do it.

    Donald Trump’s racism, sexism, xenophobia and penchant for corruption have long made him unfit for any public office, let alone the presidency. But as he continues his bid for a second term in the White House, there is an unsettling and undeniable shift that is leading many experts, observers and even some Trump supporters to conclude that the former president’s mental acuity and sharpness are also in decline, that his physical health and stamina are waning and that his frustration and anger are boiling over.

    Americans from both sides of the political spectrum should be alarmed by Trump’s words and behavior. The nation must confront the fact that beyond his hateful character, he is crippled cognitively and showing clear signs of mental illness.

    There’s no need to resort to armchair psychology to interpret what’s apparent. If victorious, Trump would be the oldest president ever inaugurated. In recent weeks, he has canceled an increasing number of public appearances, with Trump’s own campaign citing the candidate’s exhaustion. When he does appear publicly, Trump struggles to complete sentences or sustain coherent thoughts, and has shown a pronounced difficulty concentrating and a tendency to repeat himself, sometimes within the same sentence.

    At a recent rally in New Hampshire, for example, Trump began to discuss infrastructure and wound up segueing into a disjointed monologue about loyalty and perceived injustices against him, ending with a bewildering comment about windmills causing cancer.

    This is not an isolated incident. A recent analysis by The New York Times noted that Trump’s rally speeches over the past eight years have become darker, longer, more profane and increasingly unfocused and unhinged — a troubling sign that he is no longer able to articulate ideas or reason in ways we expect of our leaders. This makes him prey to manipulations by his own staff or, worse, the control of foreign adversaries.

    He shambles about aimlessly, slurs his words and sometimes speaks gibberish. Always an effortless liar, now that his speeches are nothing more than a series of lies tangled in a mass inside his head, it appears he no longer even knows he’s lying. 

    He has called for the imprisonment of journalists, pledged to purge the government of “deep state” operatives he perceives as disloyal and is amplifying his tyrannical rhetoric. He has also increased his public praise for dictators like Russia’s Vladimir Putin and China’s Xi Jinping while using increasingly fascist language to describe those he deems political enemies. The former president has even suggested using the military against his domestic critics — an approach reminiscent of repressive regimes in history that has often been the precursor to creeping authoritarianism.

    With Trump’s fragility comes an increasing dependence on enablers who show a disturbing willingness to indulge his delusions, amplify his paranoia or steer his feeble mind toward their own goals. Among these enablers is his running mate, Sen. JD Vance of Ohio. Should Trump be deemed unfit to serve, Vance would step into power.

    Once a “Never Trump” conservative who openly criticized Trump as a danger to the republic, Vance has since fully embraced an extremist ideology, morphing into a vocal MAGA supporter who seems eager to emulate Trump’s worst instincts.

    Beyond his weird obsession with childless women whom he says are “deranged” and “sociopathic,” and his penchant for spreading conspiracy theories about immigrants and other marginalized communities, Vance poses a different threat to democracy than Trump. He has repeatedly demonstrated that he is little more than a puppet of his billionaire hedge fund benefactors and has openly stated he would have refused to certify the 2020 election, suggesting he would subordinate constitutional principles for personal profit and power.

    His willingness to discard any principles shows that he would likely not push back against Trump’s excesses or his deteriorating mental stability. Instead, he might embrace a Trumpian authoritarianism, exacerbating the very dangers we face with Trump’s current mental decline.

    If history has taught us anything, it is that democracies are fragile. America’s founders designed the presidency to be a stabilizing force. Trump’s instability, paired with his and Vance’s increasing willingness to trample democratic norms and visible contempt of anyone not like him, has transformed what might have once been seen by conservatives as an uncomfortable leadership style into an existential threat to American democracy.

    For those who believe in a country governed by checks, balances and the rule of law, a return to Trumpian leadership is dangerous in its own right. But to do so with an impaired leader who cannot govern competently and a fellow authoritarian waiting in the wings is perilous.

    As voters consider Trump’s latest bid for the presidency, it’s essential to recognize that this election is not merely a choice between policy platforms or party loyalties. It’s a test of our willingness to safeguard our nation from leaders whose fitness for office is in serious question. This election is about protecting the integrity of our democracy from those who would let it collapse in the name of power, loyalty or expedience.

    Donald Trump has never had the moral compass to lead this country. But even his supporters cannot afford to ignore the signs that he may no longer have the mental faculties to lead it either. The stakes are simply too high.

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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,120
    if i were undecided at this point, i would never admit it. especially on the internet.
    POOTWH supporters won’t own it either. Says a lot.
    a lot of "undecided voters" are actually trump supporters with enough self awareness to at least appear to be conflicted about supporting him.
    I don’t see what the difference would be about an undecided voter and a Trump supporter in this election. What makes them undecided that also do not make them trash?

    Whether it’s his sexual assaults, his climate change-denial, wanting to use nukes or any of his lovely character traits. What is it that makes them undecided?
    And this gets to the heart of the matter. I have come to expect some level of corruption, self dealing and poor character traits from all politicians. It is a dirty business. And that is what I hate about this process. Clinton was a good President but his morals were abhorrent. I don't really know. Voting for Harris feels like complacently mailing it in, while voting for Trump seems like supporting an evil empire. It is a lose lose situation. Nobody wins IMHO.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,178
    2023
    Get_Right said:
    if i were undecided at this point, i would never admit it. especially on the internet.
    POOTWH supporters won’t own it either. Says a lot.
    a lot of "undecided voters" are actually trump supporters with enough self awareness to at least appear to be conflicted about supporting him.
    I don’t see what the difference would be about an undecided voter and a Trump supporter in this election. What makes them undecided that also do not make them trash?

    Whether it’s his sexual assaults, his climate change-denial, wanting to use nukes or any of his lovely character traits. What is it that makes them undecided?
    And this gets to the heart of the matter. I have come to expect some level of corruption, self dealing and poor character traits from all politicians. It is a dirty business. And that is what I hate about this process. Clinton was a good President but his morals were abhorrent. I don't really know. Voting for Harris feels like complacently mailing it in, while voting for Trump seems like supporting an evil empire. It is a lose lose situation. Nobody wins IMHO.
    so mailing it in vs evil empire...hard decision...got it
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  • 2023
    Neither candidate makes it move so I don’t know, you know?
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    edited October 2024
    2023
    Get_Right said:
    if i were undecided at this point, i would never admit it. especially on the internet.
    POOTWH supporters won’t own it either. Says a lot.
    a lot of "undecided voters" are actually trump supporters with enough self awareness to at least appear to be conflicted about supporting him.
    I don’t see what the difference would be about an undecided voter and a Trump supporter in this election. What makes them undecided that also do not make them trash?

    Whether it’s his sexual assaults, his climate change-denial, wanting to use nukes or any of his lovely character traits. What is it that makes them undecided?
    And this gets to the heart of the matter. I have come to expect some level of corruption, self dealing and poor character traits from all politicians. It is a dirty business. And that is what I hate about this process. Clinton was a good President but his morals were abhorrent. I don't really know. Voting for Harris feels like complacently mailing it in, while voting for Trump seems like supporting an evil empire. It is a lose lose situation. Nobody wins IMHO.
    If that is what you think, how the fuck is this a difficult decision for you? HAHAHA Come on man. This has got to be a bit. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    2023
    Imagine even contemplating voting for someone you consider to be the leader of an "evil empire."


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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,773
    Imagine even contemplating voting for someone you consider to be the leader of an "evil empire."


    It's a bit. 
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,360
    2023
    Just vote for Trump - help him win the popular vote with your NY vote. Maybe then there will be a bipartisan deal to abolish the electoral college. #ITripleDogDareYa
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    2023
    Imagine even contemplating voting for someone you consider to be the leader of an "evil empire."


    It's a bit. 
    SNL should be monitoring this thread for ideas. 

    Incidentally, Mullaney is hosting this week. Should be a good one. 
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  • 2023
    Get_Right said:
    if i were undecided at this point, i would never admit it. especially on the internet.
    POOTWH supporters won’t own it either. Says a lot.
    a lot of "undecided voters" are actually trump supporters with enough self awareness to at least appear to be conflicted about supporting him.
    I don’t see what the difference would be about an undecided voter and a Trump supporter in this election. What makes them undecided that also do not make them trash?

    Whether it’s his sexual assaults, his climate change-denial, wanting to use nukes or any of his lovely character traits. What is it that makes them undecided?
    And this gets to the heart of the matter. I have come to expect some level of corruption, self dealing and poor character traits from all politicians. It is a dirty business. And that is what I hate about this process. Clinton was a good President but his morals were abhorrent. I don't really know. Voting for Harris feels like complacently mailing it in, while voting for Trump seems like supporting an evil empire. It is a lose lose situation. Nobody wins IMHO.
    What are Kamala’s poor character traits? Two lines.
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,120
    edited October 2024
    It is not a bit. Trust me I get it. I don't really know and I hate that my vote may come down to the lesser of two evils rather than a candidate I really endorse. That sucks.

    And SNL call me for writing credits LOL
  • Spurs14
    Spurs14 Buffalo Grove, IL Posts: 330
    What are Kamala’s poor character traits? Two lines.

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    edited October 2024
    2023
    Get_Right said:
    It is not a bit. Trust me I get it. I don't really know and I hate that my vote may come down to the lesser of two evils rather than a candidate I really endorse. That sucks.

    And SNL call me for writing credits LOL
    One evil actually tried to overturn the results of the last election. The other "evil" is the status quo. 

    This is not a serious discussion. And this is not a lesser of two evil election. Not even remotely close. 
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  • Spurs14
    Spurs14 Buffalo Grove, IL Posts: 330
    Get_Right said:
    It is not a bit. Trust me I get it. I don't really know and I hate that my vote may come down to the lesser of two evils rather than a candidate I really endorse. That sucks.
    Imo you don’t get it. Don’t vote. 
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,120
    Spurs14 said:
    Get_Right said:
    It is not a bit. Trust me I get it. I don't really know and I hate that my vote may come down to the lesser of two evils rather than a candidate I really endorse. That sucks.
    Imo you don’t get it. Don’t vote. 

    But I do. Is a concession vote worse than not believing in either candidate?
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,773
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    BF25394 said:
    Get_Right said:

    The fact that this is even an issue, from either side, is part of why I am disgusted with the entire process. Bring your passport, your license, state issued ID, you welfare card, your food stamp card, your social security card, and vote. How this process is not digital, encrypted, possibly remote, and 99% tamper proof in 2024? It just makes me scratch my head. I have three factor verification to pay my mortgage every month but we still have mail in and paper ballots? We have Apple, Microsoft, Oracle and Tesla etc. but we cannot figure out a verifiable voting process? It's no wonder we are often the laughing stock of the world.
    Yes, by all means let's spend a ton of money "fixing" a system that's very secure and not broken and, in the process, make it vulnerable in new and different ways.

    For a nation that is supposedly the laughingstock of the world, a lot of people seem to be willing to go through hell to come here.
    How can you say it is not broken with allegations from both sides, empirical evidence and criminal convictions to the contrary? Why do you think people want to come here? I can guarantee you it is not because of our secure voting system and the representation of immigrants in the popular elections.
    Earlier today you asked me which institutions he threatened and allies he is putting at risk.  You seem to have been unaware of those things.  I answered but I don't know if you agree or disagree. 
    You brought up some great points. 

    Did you ever get a response? 
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,120
    Get_Right said:
    It is not a bit. Trust me I get it. I don't really know and I hate that my vote may come down to the lesser of two evils rather than a candidate I really endorse. That sucks.

    And SNL call me for writing credits LOL
    One evil actually tried to overturn the results of the last election. The other "evil" is the status quo. 

    This is not a serious discussion. And this is not a lesser of two evil election. Not even remotely close. 

    Right because election results have never been challenged throughout American history. C'mon man. And good for you if you see it so clearly. I do not and am entitled to that opinion.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,120
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    BF25394 said:
    Get_Right said:

    The fact that this is even an issue, from either side, is part of why I am disgusted with the entire process. Bring your passport, your license, state issued ID, you welfare card, your food stamp card, your social security card, and vote. How this process is not digital, encrypted, possibly remote, and 99% tamper proof in 2024? It just makes me scratch my head. I have three factor verification to pay my mortgage every month but we still have mail in and paper ballots? We have Apple, Microsoft, Oracle and Tesla etc. but we cannot figure out a verifiable voting process? It's no wonder we are often the laughing stock of the world.
    Yes, by all means let's spend a ton of money "fixing" a system that's very secure and not broken and, in the process, make it vulnerable in new and different ways.

    For a nation that is supposedly the laughingstock of the world, a lot of people seem to be willing to go through hell to come here.
    How can you say it is not broken with allegations from both sides, empirical evidence and criminal convictions to the contrary? Why do you think people want to come here? I can guarantee you it is not because of our secure voting system and the representation of immigrants in the popular elections.
    Earlier today you asked me which institutions he threatened and allies he is putting at risk.  You seem to have been unaware of those things.  I answered but I don't know if you agree or disagree. 
    You brought up some great points. 

    Did you ever get a response? 
     Not sure I saw the response from @mrussel1. Too many 100 line copy and pastes to weed through. Please reshare.
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    It is not a bit. Trust me I get it. I don't really know and I hate that my vote may come down to the lesser of two evils rather than a candidate I really endorse. That sucks.

    And SNL call me for writing credits LOL
    One evil actually tried to overturn the results of the last election. The other "evil" is the status quo. 

    This is not a serious discussion. And this is not a lesser of two evil election. Not even remotely close. 

    Right because election results have never been challenged throughout American history. C'mon man. And good for you if you see it so clearly. I do not and am entitled to that opinion.
    In 2020, sixty post-election lawsuits were filed. Fourteen were dropped, thirty-three were dismissed, seven are ongoing, five ruled against, and a grand total of one in Wisconsin ruled in favour of Trump. I'm still looking for the details of what that lawsuit claimed/won. Compare this to the highly contentious Bush v. Gore election challenges, which were contested, recounted, and accepted. You're comparing a mountain to an anthill and calling them the same because they're pointy. These topics demand more nuance than that. 
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