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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited October 2024
    Aubrey Plaza tells Tony Hinchcliffe to go fuck himself

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0lHFIwlb4Jk

    Weird not accepting racism... I mean.. it was a "roast comic"... racism is just fun and you should laugh along to it when you shield it behind "but he's a roast comic"
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,183
    2023
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Get_Right said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Get_Right said:
    benjs said:
    Get_Right said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Get_Right said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

    Just a thought. 
    I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. 
    In what way does a percentage higher or lower taxes or whatever matter for the upcoming four years VS voting in a normal human being with normal competent human beings around her and Trump and his gang of PARDON MY FRENCH racist and women-hating freaks ?

    For better or worse, I am stuck in the middle. Neither candidate will change my taxes in a significant way. And tariffs will not impact my cost of living unless there is a tariff on fuel. Yes there are strong character issues with Trump, but is Kamala demonstrating any strong characteristics that are inspiring?  Nothing is moving me in either direction, it may come down to the lesser of two evils, which sucks.
    I just showed you a clear example of the Republican side attempting to lie to you to make you believe that there's an abundance of voter fraud. In reality, there's not nearly enough voter fraud to make any material difference. 

    Then you switch to "both sides are bad" because both engage in hyperbole, although one side focuses on hyperbole whereas the other focuses on beneficial lies, and truth is an afterthought.

    Then you claim that neither will really affect your day to day, and switch to "lesser of two evils" after saying there are "strong character issues with Trump" but that Kamala isn't "inspiring" you. 

    If nothing is moving you in either direction, you are choosing not to be moved. 

    No not true. I am looking for a leader to move me. Neither candidate has done so. Should I be moved by default because Trump is a NYC slumlord with bad values? Or that Kamala is a lame duck just following the typical democratic path of entitlement? And that is sad. Stuff and nonsense. It is all just white noise. One may be more sympathetic to human rights while the other may have objectives that focus on money without much regard to human rights. It is a no win situation.
    Sorry but that makes no sense. Virtually no one of significance from trump's administration supports him. That should be enough for anyone.
    They are all being paid so of course they will dance the dance. But you must be talking about people that are no longer being paid. Of course those are unbiased opinions. 
    What are you even doing
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,177
    2023
    Who here has watched POOTWH’s full MSG Nazi rally speech?

    https://youtu.be/TYvCmcCi1n4

    Show of hands.
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  • Get_Right
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    BF25394 said:
    Get_Right said:
    benjs said:
    Get_Right said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Get_Right said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

    Just a thought. 
    I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. 
    In what way does a percentage higher or lower taxes or whatever matter for the upcoming four years VS voting in a normal human being with normal competent human beings around her and Trump and his gang of PARDON MY FRENCH racist and women-hating freaks ?

    For better or worse, I am stuck in the middle. Neither candidate will change my taxes in a significant way. And tariffs will not impact my cost of living unless there is a tariff on fuel. Yes there are strong character issues with Trump, but is Kamala demonstrating any strong characteristics that are inspiring?  Nothing is moving me in either direction, it may come down to the lesser of two evils, which sucks.
    I just showed you a clear example of the Republican side attempting to lie to you to make you believe that there's an abundance of voter fraud. In reality, there's not nearly enough voter fraud to make any material difference. 

    Then you switch to "both sides are bad" because both engage in hyperbole, although one side focuses on hyperbole whereas the other focuses on beneficial lies, and truth is an afterthought.

    Then you claim that neither will really affect your day to day, and switch to "lesser of two evils" after saying there are "strong character issues with Trump" but that Kamala isn't "inspiring" you. 

    If nothing is moving you in either direction, you are choosing not to be moved. 

    No not true. I am looking for a leader to move me. Neither candidate has done so. Should I be moved by default because Trump is a NYC slumlord with bad values? Or that Kamala is a lame duck just following the typical democratic path of entitlement? And that is sad. Stuff and nonsense. It is all just white noise. One may be more sympathetic to human rights while the other may have objectives that focus on money without much regard to human rights. It is a no win situation.
    There really is a difference between the two. It isn't just white noise. I wonder if Eddie Vedder regrets stumping for Ralph Nader in 2000 because he thought that Al Gore and George W. Bush were "two evils." Ralph Nader is a great American whose advocacy saved tens of thousands of lives. He's also a mule whose political stubbornness indirectly cost hundreds of thousands of lives as a result of an invasion and war that wouldn't have happened if a different candidate had been elected president in 2000. This is why I've always had a little trouble swallowing "Bu$hleaguer." Eddie helped to give us Bush.

    One of the parties (the Rs) wants to keep people from legally voting, and they target people whom they consider more likely to vote for the other party (see, e.g., military IDs as acceptable voter ID but not college IDs). They try to claim that they're trying to prevent people from illegally voting, but that's a pretext. Illegal votes are virtually non-existent; they're trying to stop people from voting legally for the other party. Some Republican politicians have even said this out loud. Meanwhile, the other party (the Ds) doesn't try to prevent anyone from voting legally, even the people who are more likely to vote for their opponents. Anyone who has paid attention for the last 20 years should see this disparity and recognize it for what it is. It's just one of many examples of how the parties are not equally bad. And, again, I'm not a Democrat.

    The fact that this is even an issue, from either side, is part of why I am disgusted with the entire process. Bring your passport, your license, state issued ID, you welfare card, your food stamp card, your social security card, and vote. How this process is not digital, encrypted, possibly remote, and 99% tamper proof in 2024? It just makes me scratch my head. I have three factor verification to pay my mortgage every month but we still have mail in and paper ballots? We have Apple, Microsoft, Oracle and Tesla etc. but we cannot figure out a verifiable voting process? It's no wonder we are often the laughing stock of the world.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,177
    2023
    Again with the election integrity? Good lord.
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  • BF25394
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    Get_Right said:

    The fact that this is even an issue, from either side, is part of why I am disgusted with the entire process. Bring your passport, your license, state issued ID, you welfare card, your food stamp card, your social security card, and vote. How this process is not digital, encrypted, possibly remote, and 99% tamper proof in 2024? It just makes me scratch my head. I have three factor verification to pay my mortgage every month but we still have mail in and paper ballots? We have Apple, Microsoft, Oracle and Tesla etc. but we cannot figure out a verifiable voting process? It's no wonder we are often the laughing stock of the world.
    Yes, by all means let's spend a ton of money "fixing" a system that's very secure and not broken and, in the process, make it vulnerable in new and different ways.

    For a nation that is supposedly the laughingstock of the world, a lot of people seem to be willing to go through hell to come here.
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited October 2024
    Not to call Sweden a garbage country compared to the US, but in Sweden you just need the voter paper  every citizen gets sent by defaut and your ID (deivers licence/passporr or national id card).
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,125
    BF25394 said:
    Get_Right said:

    The fact that this is even an issue, from either side, is part of why I am disgusted with the entire process. Bring your passport, your license, state issued ID, you welfare card, your food stamp card, your social security card, and vote. How this process is not digital, encrypted, possibly remote, and 99% tamper proof in 2024? It just makes me scratch my head. I have three factor verification to pay my mortgage every month but we still have mail in and paper ballots? We have Apple, Microsoft, Oracle and Tesla etc. but we cannot figure out a verifiable voting process? It's no wonder we are often the laughing stock of the world.
    Yes, by all means let's spend a ton of money "fixing" a system that's very secure and not broken and, in the process, make it vulnerable in new and different ways.

    For a nation that is supposedly the laughingstock of the world, a lot of people seem to be willing to go through hell to come here.
    How can you say it is not broken with allegations from both sides, empirical evidence and criminal convictions to the contrary? Why do you think people want to come here? I can guarantee you it is not because of our secure voting system and the representation of immigrants in the popular elections.
  • Johnny Abruzzo
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    2023
    Get_Right said:

    both sides
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  • pjl44
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    Someone using "both sides" is a voter your side can potentially get if you can appeal to them but somewhere along the way the decision was made to mock and shriek at them
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    BF25394 said:
    Get_Right said:

    The fact that this is even an issue, from either side, is part of why I am disgusted with the entire process. Bring your passport, your license, state issued ID, you welfare card, your food stamp card, your social security card, and vote. How this process is not digital, encrypted, possibly remote, and 99% tamper proof in 2024? It just makes me scratch my head. I have three factor verification to pay my mortgage every month but we still have mail in and paper ballots? We have Apple, Microsoft, Oracle and Tesla etc. but we cannot figure out a verifiable voting process? It's no wonder we are often the laughing stock of the world.
    Yes, by all means let's spend a ton of money "fixing" a system that's very secure and not broken and, in the process, make it vulnerable in new and different ways.

    For a nation that is supposedly the laughingstock of the world, a lot of people seem to be willing to go through hell to come here.
    A lot of people went to see the second Transformers movie also
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    edited October 2024
    2023
    Get_Right said:
    BF25394 said:
    Get_Right said:

    The fact that this is even an issue, from either side, is part of why I am disgusted with the entire process. Bring your passport, your license, state issued ID, you welfare card, your food stamp card, your social security card, and vote. How this process is not digital, encrypted, possibly remote, and 99% tamper proof in 2024? It just makes me scratch my head. I have three factor verification to pay my mortgage every month but we still have mail in and paper ballots? We have Apple, Microsoft, Oracle and Tesla etc. but we cannot figure out a verifiable voting process? It's no wonder we are often the laughing stock of the world.
    Yes, by all means let's spend a ton of money "fixing" a system that's very secure and not broken and, in the process, make it vulnerable in new and different ways.

    For a nation that is supposedly the laughingstock of the world, a lot of people seem to be willing to go through hell to come here.
    How can you say it is not broken with allegations from both sides, empirical evidence and criminal convictions to the contrary? Why do you think people want to come here? I can guarantee you it is not because of our secure voting system and the representation of immigrants in the popular elections.
    Literally no evidence of any kind of fraud large enough to affect the outcomes or our elections have ever been found. Ever. 

    You are spouting complete and utter nonsense. And nobody even talked about this until Trump wouldn't shut about it in 2016. His administration even formed an Election Fraud Commission which found N.O.T.H.I.N.G and then quietly disbanded. 
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,125
    The Juggler said:
    Get_Right said:
    BF25394 said:
    Get_Right said:

    The fact that this is even an issue, from either side, is part of why I am disgusted with the entire process. Bring your passport, your license, state issued ID, you welfare card, your food stamp card, your social security card, and vote. How this process is not digital, encrypted, possibly remote, and 99% tamper proof in 2024? It just makes me scratch my head. I have three factor verification to pay my mortgage every month but we still have mail in and paper ballots? We have Apple, Microsoft, Oracle and Tesla etc. but we cannot figure out a verifiable voting process? It's no wonder we are often the laughing stock of the world.
    Yes, by all means let's spend a ton of money "fixing" a system that's very secure and not broken and, in the process, make it vulnerable in new and different ways.

    For a nation that is supposedly the laughingstock of the world, a lot of people seem to be willing to go through hell to come here.
    How can you say it is not broken with allegations from both sides, empirical evidence and criminal convictions to the contrary? Why do you think people want to come here? I can guarantee you it is not because of our secure voting system and the representation of immigrants in the popular elections.
    Literally no evidence of any kind of fraud large enough to affect the outcomes or our elections have ever been found. Ever. 

    You are spouting complete and utter nonsense. And nobody even talked about this until Trump wouldn't shut about it in 2016. His administration even formed an Election Fraud Commission which found N.O.T.H.I.N.G and then quietly disbanded. 
    I will agree that the statistical impact are outliers. But that does not make my point incorrect. Both sides try to game the system. And yes, investigative committees are formed all the time for many reasons. Sometimes they find something, sometimes they don't.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    2023
    Get_Right said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Get_Right said:

    In what way does a percentage higher or lower taxes or whatever matter for the upcoming four years VS voting in a normal human being with normal competent human beings around her and Trump and his gang of PARDON MY FRENCH racist and women-hating freaks ?

    For better or worse, I am stuck in the middle. Neither candidate will change my taxes in a significant way. And tariffs will not impact my cost of living unless there is a tariff on fuel. Yes there are strong character issues with Trump, but is Kamala demonstrating any strong characteristics that are inspiring?  Nothing is moving me in either direction, it may come down to the lesser of two evils, which sucks.
    Sorry to pile on, but this is a naïve way of thinking that, I believe, a lot of Americans share.

    If he does the things he keeps talking about: tariffs across the board on all imports while, simultaneously, deporting millions of immigrants who are currently working low paying jobs, the prices of just about everything will increase. Production will slow. Unemployment will rise. Inflation will shoot up, as will interest rates shortly thereafter. Not to mention the sheer amount of chaos we will all witness with millions of people being rounded up and deported.

    On top of all this, he has said he wants IVF treatments (super expensive) to be paid by the government, he wants to end taxes on social security, he wants to give tax credits for car loans, he wants to somehow cut everyone's car insurance rates in half----all while giving billionaires and corporations a tax cut again---he will be spending us into oblivion.

    I should mention he also wants to play a role in setting interest rates, effectively ending the Fed Reserves independence. 

    If you do not think any of this will affect you in any meaningful way, please think again. This will be a disaster for all of us.

    Our only hope, if he wins, is that he does not do any of the things he always says he is going to do. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    2023
    Get_Right said:
    The Juggler said:
    Get_Right said:
    BF25394 said:
    Get_Right said:

    The fact that this is even an issue, from either side, is part of why I am disgusted with the entire process. Bring your passport, your license, state issued ID, you welfare card, your food stamp card, your social security card, and vote. How this process is not digital, encrypted, possibly remote, and 99% tamper proof in 2024? It just makes me scratch my head. I have three factor verification to pay my mortgage every month but we still have mail in and paper ballots? We have Apple, Microsoft, Oracle and Tesla etc. but we cannot figure out a verifiable voting process? It's no wonder we are often the laughing stock of the world.
    Yes, by all means let's spend a ton of money "fixing" a system that's very secure and not broken and, in the process, make it vulnerable in new and different ways.

    For a nation that is supposedly the laughingstock of the world, a lot of people seem to be willing to go through hell to come here.
    How can you say it is not broken with allegations from both sides, empirical evidence and criminal convictions to the contrary? Why do you think people want to come here? I can guarantee you it is not because of our secure voting system and the representation of immigrants in the popular elections.
    Literally no evidence of any kind of fraud large enough to affect the outcomes or our elections have ever been found. Ever. 

    You are spouting complete and utter nonsense. And nobody even talked about this until Trump wouldn't shut about it in 2016. His administration even formed an Election Fraud Commission which found N.O.T.H.I.N.G and then quietly disbanded. 
    I will agree that the statistical impact are outliers. But that does not make my point incorrect. Both sides try to game the system. And yes, investigative committees are formed all the time for many reasons. Sometimes they find something, sometimes they don't.
    They literally never find anything substantial that affects the results of our elections. You should watch 60 Minutes this week. 
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  • Get_Right
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    All good, I appreciate a good conversation that is articulated properly. I am taking it all in. All candidates make big promises during a campaign. How many actually come to fruition? You just listed the things you dislike about Trump's platform, but where are the good things from Kamala's platform? I feel like this election is more defense than offense. Is it really just about keeping Trump out or does Kamala have something good to say? So far I am not hearing it.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited October 2024
    Get_Right said:
    All good, I appreciate a good conversation that is articulated properly. I am taking it all in. All candidates make big promises during a campaign. How many actually come to fruition? You just listed the things you dislike about Trump's platform, but where are the good things from Kamala's platform? I feel like this election is more defense than offense. Is it really just about keeping Trump out or does Kamala have something good to say? So far I am not hearing it.
    Why doesn’t eg. climate change matter to you?

    Your way of arguing is very weird if you just look at the two candidates. 

    Have you forgotten how racist Trump was towards Obama back in the day?
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,125
    edited October 2024
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Get_Right said:
    All good, I appreciate a good conversation that is articulated properly. I am taking it all in. All candidates make big promises during a campaign. How many actually come to fruition? You just listed the things you dislike about Trump's platform, but where are the good things from Kamala's platform? I feel like this election is more defense than offense. Is it really just about keeping Trump out or does Kamala have something good to say? So far I am not hearing it.
    Why doesn’t eg. climate change matter to you?

    Your way of arguing is very weird if you just look at the two candidates. 

    Well for better or worse this is what we have. Much to my chagrin, global warming has been a platform that many candidates have advocated. Unfortunately, little gets done at the federal level and the states that are committed to the environment seem to make more progress.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    edited October 2024
    2023
    Get_Right said:
    All good, I appreciate a good conversation that is articulated properly. I am taking it all in. All candidates make big promises during a campaign. How many actually come to fruition? You just listed the things you dislike about Trump's platform, but where are the good things from Kamala's platform? I feel like this election is more defense than offense. Is it really just about keeping Trump out or does Kamala have something good to say? So far I am not hearing it.
    For me, I think this administration deserves credit for how they have navigated the storm and she, as an extension, deserves to be rewarded four more years. GDP is up. Unemployment is down. Inflation rate is down. Gas prices are down. Stock market regularly hits all time highs. We are not at war with anyone. Border crossings are down and she will sign the immigration bill Trump killed. Like...what are we talking about here? We are clearly moving in the right direction and going backwards to Trump who has terrible plans for everything makes no sense to me what so ever.

    I like her ideas on how to jump start housing. Tax credits for builders to build new affordable homes makes sense to me. I would like that immigration bill signed into law. I would like the fight to restore Roe continued. 

    Bottom line for me, and anyone else for that matter, is Donald Trump essentially tried to throw my vote in the trash 4 years ago. I take that personally. Who cares if this is more about defense than offense? He is a threat to democracy. He is a threat to our economy.  This should be clear as day to most rational observers.
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  • The Juggler
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    Get_Right said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Get_Right said:
    All good, I appreciate a good conversation that is articulated properly. I am taking it all in. All candidates make big promises during a campaign. How many actually come to fruition? You just listed the things you dislike about Trump's platform, but where are the good things from Kamala's platform? I feel like this election is more defense than offense. Is it really just about keeping Trump out or does Kamala have something good to say? So far I am not hearing it.
    Why doesn’t eg. climate change matter to you?

    Your way of arguing is very weird if you just look at the two candidates. 

    Well for better or worse this is what we have. Much to my chagrin, global warming has been a platform that many candidates have advocated. Unfortunately, little gets done at the federal level and the states that are committed to the environment seem to make more progress.
    If it is much to your chagrin, why not vote for the party who is committed to treating it seriously? The reason not much gets done at the federal level is because the Republican party is lead by a dope who thinks climate change is a hoax. They cannot unilaterally make change happen. 
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