---President Elect Musk and Convicted Felon Donald J Trump---

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

First - they define it as 'a sampling'. That doesn't tell anything about how large this actual database is. You could extrapolate huge numbers, or tiny numbers based on this with this missing point. Is this close to 100% of them? Close to 2% of them? That matters a LOT. 

Next - they talk about how 1,561 instances of voter fraud have been found across the entire country. That includes all years dating to the beginning of the database's collection period (1979). If you look at the pure number since 2020 (which is conservative since it includes all fraudulent numbers since then which covers other elections other than Presidential, it's roughly 240 events (15 records per page, 16 pages). 240 fucking events across the entire country, where the closest margin state (Arizona) was won by Biden by a margin of 10,457. 

What a total disingenuous crock of shit (shocker). You don't deserve criticism for being disenfranchised with the process, because folks like the Heritage Foundation are lying to you. If you're confronted with facts like these and choose to ignore them though, then you should be prepared for criticism based on evidence (in other words - legitimate debate). 

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

Merkin Baller said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

Just a thought. 

I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. It is the same over and over again. I welcome a truly objective perspective, but alas, it has evaded me. Have any suggestions? I welcome that.

It is a machine to reach an objective, and it ultimately is a popularity contest. And I did check a few of the convictions. At least what is available supports the findings. Let's not get it twisted, both sides are playing the political game and it sucks. A barrage of ads in the 45-30 days before the election is what is informing the US public and is what is determining who voters vote for. There are exceptions of course, and I applaud those exceptions. 

Please. Only one side is extrapolating that 250 known voter fraud offences since 2020 is a grave concern, in an attempt to discredit all results. Repeat: only one fucking side is doing this. 

Get_Right said:

Merkin Baller said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

Just a thought. 

I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. It is the same over and over again. I welcome a truly objective perspective, but alas, it has evaded me. Have any suggestions? I welcome that.

It is a machine to reach an objective, and it ultimately is a popularity contest. And I did check a few of the convictions. At least what is available supports the findings. Let's not get it twisted, both sides are playing the political game and it sucks. A barrage of ads in the 45-30 days before the election is what is informing the US public and is what is determining who voters vote for. There are exceptions of course, and I applaud those exceptions. 

Get_Right said:

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?

Get_Right said:

mrussel1 said:

Get_Right said:

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?

Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words,  understanding history and drawing your own conclusions? 

Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick. 

mrussel1 said:

Get_Right said:

mrussel1 said:

Get_Right said:

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?

Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words,  understanding history and drawing your own conclusions? 

Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick. 

The question isn't whether you believe we are down a Nazi path.  Hyperbole runs rampant in an election.  The question is whether he is a threat to it institutions and allies. Or is Harris.   In that,  you should be able to draw your own conclusions simply by listening both of them speak and listening to their surrogates  

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