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Based on the supposition that 50% of what an unfamiliar source of information is saying might be true... that logic isn't sound enough for you?Halifax2TheMax said:Now the “both sides” argument is being rolled out again. Good luck, ‘Murica, it was nice knowing ya.
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First - they define it as 'a sampling'. That doesn't tell anything about how large this actual database is. You could extrapolate huge numbers, or tiny numbers based on this with this missing point. Is this close to 100% of them? Close to 2% of them? That matters a LOT.Get_Right said:I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state
Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.
And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US. Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.
Next - they talk about how 1,561 instances of voter fraud have been found across the entire country. That includes all years dating to the beginning of the database's collection period (1979). If you look at the pure number since 2020 (which is conservative since it includes all fraudulent numbers since then which covers other elections other than Presidential, it's roughly 240 events (15 records per page, 16 pages). 240 fucking events across the entire country, where the closest margin state (Arizona) was won by Biden by a margin of 10,457.
What a total disingenuous crock of shit (shocker). You don't deserve criticism for being disenfranchised with the process, because folks like the Heritage Foundation are lying to you. If you're confronted with facts like these and choose to ignore them though, then you should be prepared for criticism based on evidence (in other words - legitimate debate).
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Stop it. I'm going to get alcohol poisoning from taking all these "both sides" shots.Get_Right said:Johnny Abruzzo said:Heritage Foundation is the guys who wrote Project 2025. Simply an extremist organization.
Like I said, I do not endorse or pretend to understand that organization. Say 50% of what they publish is actually true. There is still something there. On both sides.Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila, PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25
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The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic.Get_Right said:I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state
Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.
And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US. Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.0 -
I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. It is the same over and over again. I welcome a truly objective perspective, but alas, it has evaded me. Have any suggestions? I welcome that.Merkin Baller said:
You might want to vet your sources before you go off.Get_Right said:I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state
Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.
And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US. Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.
Just a thought.
It is a machine to reach an objective, and it ultimately is a popularity contest. And I did check a few of the convictions. At least what is available supports the findings. Let's not get it twisted, both sides are playing the political game and it sucks. A barrage of ads in the 45-30 days before the election is what is informing the US public and is what is determining who voters vote for. There are exceptions of course, and I applaud those exceptions.0 -
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First - they define it as 'a sampling'. That doesn't tell anything about how large this actual database is. You could extrapolate huge numbers, or tiny numbers based on this with this missing point. Is this close to 100% of them? Close to 2% of them? That matters a LOT.Get_Right said:I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state
Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.
And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US. Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.
Next - they talk about how 1,561 instances of voter fraud have been found across the entire country. That includes all years dating to the beginning of the database's collection period (1979). If you look at the pure number since 2020 (which is conservative since it includes all fraudulent numbers since then which covers other elections other than Presidential, it's roughly 240 events (15 records per page, 16 pages). 240 fucking events across the entire country, where the closest margin state (Arizona) was won by Biden by a margin of 10,457.
What a total disingenuous crock of shit (shocker). You don't deserve criticism for being disenfranchised with the process, because folks like the Heritage Foundation are lying to you. If you're confronted with facts like these and choose to ignore them though, then you should be prepared for criticism based on evidence (in other words - legitimate debate).
Fair comment, and like I said, I do not endorse or understand their metrics. It is just another source on the internet so i do not take it as gospel. My point is that both sides are slinging mud. Who can you believe anymore?0 -
Please. Only one side is extrapolating that 250 known voter fraud offences since 2020 is a grave concern, in an attempt to discredit all results. Repeat: only one fucking side is doing this.Get_Right said:
I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. It is the same over and over again. I welcome a truly objective perspective, but alas, it has evaded me. Have any suggestions? I welcome that.Merkin Baller said:
You might want to vet your sources before you go off.Get_Right said:I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state
Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.
And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US. Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.
Just a thought.
It is a machine to reach an objective, and it ultimately is a popularity contest. And I did check a few of the convictions. At least what is available supports the findings. Let's not get it twisted, both sides are playing the political game and it sucks. A barrage of ads in the 45-30 days before the election is what is informing the US public and is what is determining who voters vote for. There are exceptions of course, and I applaud those exceptions.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Go Beavers said:
The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic.Get_Right said:I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state
Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.
And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US. Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.
And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?0 -
This is just word salad.Get_Right said:
I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. It is the same over and over again. I welcome a truly objective perspective, but alas, it has evaded me. Have any suggestions? I welcome that.Merkin Baller said:
You might want to vet your sources before you go off.Get_Right said:I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state
Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.
And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US. Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.
Just a thought.
It is a machine to reach an objective, and it ultimately is a popularity contest. And I did check a few of the convictions. At least what is available supports the findings. Let's not get it twisted, both sides are playing the political game and it sucks. A barrage of ads in the 45-30 days before the election is what is informing the US public and is what is determining who voters vote for. There are exceptions of course, and I applaud those exceptions.
Go be disenfranchised if you want, but if you want to talk both sides, have something to base your argument on, not an assumption that maybe 50% of something might be true.
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Please. Only one side is extrapolating that 250 known voter fraud offences since 2020 is a grave concern, in an attempt to discredit all results. Repeat: only one fucking side is doing this.Get_Right said:
I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. It is the same over and over again. I welcome a truly objective perspective, but alas, it has evaded me. Have any suggestions? I welcome that.Merkin Baller said:
You might want to vet your sources before you go off.Get_Right said:I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state
Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.
And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US. Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.
Just a thought.
It is a machine to reach an objective, and it ultimately is a popularity contest. And I did check a few of the convictions. At least what is available supports the findings. Let's not get it twisted, both sides are playing the political game and it sucks. A barrage of ads in the 45-30 days before the election is what is informing the US public and is what is determining who voters vote for. There are exceptions of course, and I applaud those exceptions.
But it is happening. Even on a small scale it is worth discussing. In 2024, is there any reason this should be happening? In this digital age? It just makes me scratch my head as to why everything our government manages, feels so antiquated. Six weeks to get a passport. Maybe they should be talking about that level of inefficiency. I think it is the same with the voting process. I will show up and vote next week, but I am not sure that I really feel strongly about one or the other.0 -
Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words, understanding history and drawing your own conclusions?Get_Right said:Go Beavers said:
The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic.Get_Right said:I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state
Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.
And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US. Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.
And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?0 -
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Okay, you Indy, you, name those exceptions you applaud.Get_Right said:
I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. It is the same over and over again. I welcome a truly objective perspective, but alas, it has evaded me. Have any suggestions? I welcome that.Merkin Baller said:
You might want to vet your sources before you go off.Get_Right said:I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state
Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.
And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US. Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.
Just a thought.
It is a machine to reach an objective, and it ultimately is a popularity contest. And I did check a few of the convictions. At least what is available supports the findings. Let's not get it twisted, both sides are playing the political game and it sucks. A barrage of ads in the 45-30 days before the election is what is informing the US public and is what is determining who voters vote for. There are exceptions of course, and I applaud those exceptions.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words, understanding history and drawing your own conclusions?Get_Right said:Go Beavers said:
The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic.Get_Right said:I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state
Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.
And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US. Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.
And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick.0 -
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You obviously haven’t been reading the WaPo. Psssst, you don’t need the “liberal media” to tell you who to believe. Duh.Get_Right said:Go Beavers said:
The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic.Get_Right said:I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state
Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.
And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US. Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.
And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
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The question isn't whether you believe we are down a Nazi path. Hyperbole runs rampant in an election. The question is whether he is a threat to it institutions and allies. Or is Harris. In that, you should be able to draw your own conclusions simply by listening both of them speak and listening to their surrogatesGet_Right said:mrussel1 said:
Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words, understanding history and drawing your own conclusions?Get_Right said:Go Beavers said:
The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic.Get_Right said:I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state
Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.
And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US. Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.
And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick.
Direct information is actually available to you.0 -
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Ummm, sure they do.Get_Right said:mrussel1 said:
Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words, understanding history and drawing your own conclusions?Get_Right said:Go Beavers said:
The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic.Get_Right said:I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state
Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.
And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US. Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.
And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Get_Right said:mrussel1 said:
Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words, understanding history and drawing your own conclusions?Get_Right said:Go Beavers said:
The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic.Get_Right said:I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state
Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.
And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US. Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.
And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick.
Take some pepto bismal and read up on some of the language Nazis used when talking about communities they were targeting.
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mrussel1 said:
The question isn't whether you believe we are down a Nazi path. Hyperbole runs rampant in an election. The question is whether he is a threat to it institutions and allies. Or is Harris. In that, you should be able to draw your own conclusions simply by listening both of them speak and listening to their surrogatesGet_Right said:mrussel1 said:
Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words, understanding history and drawing your own conclusions?Get_Right said:Go Beavers said:
The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic.Get_Right said:I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state
Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.
And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US. Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.
And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick.
Direct information is actually available to you.
Please elaborate. What institutions, allies, are at risk, and what information is available to me that I have not already seen?0 -
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