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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,336
    Attaway77 said:
    https://youtu.be/-dyCoVtO-Xk?si=cJPo17DqKwvbuj40
    This is cool as hell.  I did not know that there was another record manufacturer in the states besides Third Man.  Everything is usually made overseas.

    I just looked up and there are actually 30.  Didn't know that!
  • We All Believe
    We All Believe Eastchester, NY - Proud South Canadian. Posts: 801
    Happy Birthday to the metal god, James Hetfield!
    May your days be long, til kingdom come.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    It's wild that those guys are around the same age as Pearl Jam 
  • We All Believe
    We All Believe Eastchester, NY - Proud South Canadian. Posts: 801
    pjl44 said:
    It's wild that those guys are around the same age as Pearl Jam 
    Totally. New record from them last year, PJ & The Pumpkins this year. I'm grateful that my favorite bands are still together & making new music after 30-plus years, 40-plus for Metallica.
    May your days be long, til kingdom come.
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,938
    We All Believe said:
    pjl44 said:
    It's wild that those guys are around the same age as Pearl Jam 
    Totally. New record from them last year, PJ & The Pumpkins this year. I'm grateful that my favorite bands are still together & making new music after 30-plus years, 40-plus for Metallica.
    Are the Pumpkins "still" together, exactly? There's a quorum of original members now, but there have been times when it was Billy with D'Arcy and James impersonators, and sometimes with Jimmy and sometimes without. 
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,869
    BF25394 said:
    We All Believe said:
    pjl44 said:
    It's wild that those guys are around the same age as Pearl Jam 
    Totally. New record from them last year, PJ & The Pumpkins this year. I'm grateful that my favorite bands are still together & making new music after 30-plus years, 40-plus for Metallica.
    Are the Pumpkins "still" together, exactly? There's a quorum of original members now, but there have been times when it was Billy with D'Arcy and James impersonators, and sometimes with Jimmy and sometimes without. 
    You've got Billy, James and Jimmy.
    That's 75%.
    Do you consider the Stones "still together" with Just Mick and Keef as original members? (40%)
    Or Pearl Jam with 80% of the original members?
    Or Metallica with 75% (not even including the Mustaine situation)?

    And there are dozens of other examples, most with lower % of original members than SP.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    Poncier said:
    BF25394 said:
    We All Believe said:
    pjl44 said:
    It's wild that those guys are around the same age as Pearl Jam 
    Totally. New record from them last year, PJ & The Pumpkins this year. I'm grateful that my favorite bands are still together & making new music after 30-plus years, 40-plus for Metallica.
    Are the Pumpkins "still" together, exactly? There's a quorum of original members now, but there have been times when it was Billy with D'Arcy and James impersonators, and sometimes with Jimmy and sometimes without. 
    You've got Billy, James and Jimmy.
    That's 75%.
    Do you consider the Stones "still together" with Just Mick and Keef as original members? (40%)
    Or Pearl Jam with 80% of the original members?
    Or Metallica with 75% (not even including the Mustaine situation)?

    And there are dozens of other examples, most with lower % of original members than SP.
    His point is that James and Jimmy have been in and out for stretches over the years. With the other bands you mentioned the original members have been fixtures.
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,938
    edited August 2024
    pjl44 said:
    Poncier said:
    BF25394 said:
    We All Believe said:
    pjl44 said:
    It's wild that those guys are around the same age as Pearl Jam 
    Totally. New record from them last year, PJ & The Pumpkins this year. I'm grateful that my favorite bands are still together & making new music after 30-plus years, 40-plus for Metallica.
    Are the Pumpkins "still" together, exactly? There's a quorum of original members now, but there have been times when it was Billy with D'Arcy and James impersonators, and sometimes with Jimmy and sometimes without. 
    You've got Billy, James and Jimmy.
    That's 75%.
    Do you consider the Stones "still together" with Just Mick and Keef as original members? (40%)
    Or Pearl Jam with 80% of the original members?
    Or Metallica with 75% (not even including the Mustaine situation)?

    And there are dozens of other examples, most with lower % of original members than SP.
    His point is that James and Jimmy have been in and out for stretches over the years. With the other bands you mentioned the original members have been fixtures.
    Yes, that was my point. As someone who once counted the Pumpkins among my five favorite bands-- maybe even top three circa Mellon Collie-- I don't see their career arc as similar to Pearl Jam or Metallica, both of which have been basically stable since their inception and neither of which has ever disbanded like the Pumpkins did. The Pumpkins also have not had a top five album since 2012. They've been in a massive commercial decline whereas Metallica and Pearl Jam are still major acts.
    Post edited by BF25394 on
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,869
    pjl44 said:
    Poncier said:
    BF25394 said:
    We All Believe said:
    pjl44 said:
    It's wild that those guys are around the same age as Pearl Jam 
    Totally. New record from them last year, PJ & The Pumpkins this year. I'm grateful that my favorite bands are still together & making new music after 30-plus years, 40-plus for Metallica.
    Are the Pumpkins "still" together, exactly? There's a quorum of original members now, but there have been times when it was Billy with D'Arcy and James impersonators, and sometimes with Jimmy and sometimes without. 
    You've got Billy, James and Jimmy.
    That's 75%.
    Do you consider the Stones "still together" with Just Mick and Keef as original members? (40%)
    Or Pearl Jam with 80% of the original members?
    Or Metallica with 75% (not even including the Mustaine situation)?

    And there are dozens of other examples, most with lower % of original members than SP.
    His point is that James and Jimmy have been in and out for stretches over the years. With the other bands you mentioned the original members have been fixtures.
    And the Stones were thought to be done for good in the 80s when Mick and Keef were feuding and both doing solo work. Similar situation.
    Regardless, the Pumpkins are "still together" currently.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    Poncier said:
    pjl44 said:
    Poncier said:
    BF25394 said:
    We All Believe said:
    pjl44 said:
    It's wild that those guys are around the same age as Pearl Jam 
    Totally. New record from them last year, PJ & The Pumpkins this year. I'm grateful that my favorite bands are still together & making new music after 30-plus years, 40-plus for Metallica.
    Are the Pumpkins "still" together, exactly? There's a quorum of original members now, but there have been times when it was Billy with D'Arcy and James impersonators, and sometimes with Jimmy and sometimes without. 
    You've got Billy, James and Jimmy.
    That's 75%.
    Do you consider the Stones "still together" with Just Mick and Keef as original members? (40%)
    Or Pearl Jam with 80% of the original members?
    Or Metallica with 75% (not even including the Mustaine situation)?

    And there are dozens of other examples, most with lower % of original members than SP.
    His point is that James and Jimmy have been in and out for stretches over the years. With the other bands you mentioned the original members have been fixtures.
    And the Stones were thought to be done for good in the 80s when Mick and Keef were feuding and both doing solo work. Similar situation.
    Regardless, the Pumpkins are "still together" currently.
    These are not compelling arguments 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    Pumpkins were on the shelf for 6 years then had another 6 year stretch with no other original members besides Corgan. And that's giving them credit for the Billy/Jimmy years. Not remotely comparable to the Stones.
  • CantKeepmedown
    CantKeepmedown Portland, Maine Posts: 3,119
    I don't think I'm a fan of this whole 2 shows in a city and splitting up 30 songs sort of tour they are doing right now. Setlists are the same, I believe, in each city. So you can choose which night you want to go.  But playing 15 songs a night is pretty ridiculous for a band with the catalog that these guys have.  I know they are older and some of those songs can be very taxing. They barely played two hours

    My brother in law is not very plugged in and had no idea that's what was happening. He saw that they were coming and got tickets for Friday night at Gillette. Suffice to say was pretty shocked when he didn't hear One, Sanitarium, Bells, Enter Sandman......  

    You're making your fans (unless you go to both) pick which group of songs they'd rather hear as opposed to just playing your hits every night.  Seems odd. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    CantKeepmedown said:
    I don't think I'm a fan of this whole 2 shows in a city and splitting up 30 songs sort of tour they are doing right now. Setlists are the same, I believe, in each city. So you can choose which night you want to go.  But playing 15 songs a night is pretty ridiculous for a band with the catalog that these guys have.  I know they are older and some of those songs can be very taxing. They barely played two hours

    My brother in law is not very plugged in and had no idea that's what was happening. He saw that they were coming and got tickets for Friday night at Gillette. Suffice to say was pretty shocked when he didn't hear One, Sanitarium, Bells, Enter Sandman......  

    You're making your fans (unless you go to both) pick which group of songs they'd rather hear as opposed to just playing your hits every night.  Seems odd. 
    I cannot believe the last 2 times I saw them were 15 and 20 years ago but here we are. Those shows they played 18 songs so this is a step back but it's also not like they were playing 20-25. Every 3 songs or so they would take a break which really breaks up the flow of the set.

    The reality is with another new album the classics are getting increasingly sparse anyway. So do you at least want the chance to fill your plate over the course of a weekend? I don't think I've ever seen them play Orion before Friday.

    While they're still very good there is no chance I will deal with a football stadium to see them again though.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    If time and songs are tight I could also do without the Kirk and Rob Fuck Around part of the set
  • CantKeepmedown
    CantKeepmedown Portland, Maine Posts: 3,119
    I saw them in 1992 and then again in 1996 and 1997. Obviously they've made more music since then. But even those shows were 19 songs (96 was Lollapalooza so a bit shorter).  

    And like you said, with all the doodling and breaks (which I get you need to rest) they aren't even playing for 2 hours. I'm probably just more "old man yelling at clouds" at this point lol.  And my BIL said the same thing about the stadium. And I agree wholeheartedly.  Gimme an arena over a stadium anytime.  I'd even take a shed over a stadium at this point. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    CantKeepmedown said:
    I saw them in 1992 and then again in 1996 and 1997. Obviously they've made more music since then. But even those shows were 19 songs (96 was Lollapalooza so a bit shorter).  

    And like you said, with all the doodling and breaks (which I get you need to rest) they aren't even playing for 2 hours. I'm probably just more "old man yelling at clouds" at this point lol.  And my BIL said the same thing about the stadium. And I agree wholeheartedly.  Gimme an arena over a stadium anytime.  I'd even take a shed over a stadium at this point. 
    There's just a reality with legacy bands where ticket prices and venue sizes go up while the performance quality inevitably ticks down. Eventually those lines cross and I have to tap out.
  • We All Believe
    We All Believe Eastchester, NY - Proud South Canadian. Posts: 801
    Late to the Metallica live party. Was lucky enough to see them in an arena twice (Long Island on my 40th birthday in 2017, first time ever, then Albany the next year). Both shows were 19 songs, including the doodle lol.

    I normally have zero interest in stadium shows. Never seen PJ at one. Had previously only been to one, Bruce during The Rising tour. Went with some friends to Met Life last year cause I haven't seen Metallica live that much, and because of the new record. I don't think I'd see Metallica again at a stadium show unless they were touring for a new record, and even then, I don't know. The No Repeats thing might be gimmicky in a few years. Might be gimmicky now lol. Maybe they go back to arenas for the next record.
    May your days be long, til kingdom come.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    saw them in 92, 97, 2004, and 2009. holy shit that's a long time ago. 
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • elvistheking44
    elvistheking44 Posts: 4,540
    ISO Chicago tix if anyone has buyer’s remorse 
  • ZoSoTim
    ZoSoTim Posts: 1,278
    elvistheking44 said:
    ISO Chicago tix if anyone has buyer’s remorse 
    No remorse. No regret. 

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