Who will be the Democratic nominee?

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591
    Kamala Harris
    teskeinc said:
    It was more of he didn’t think Kamala could beat Trump as well.
    You have some amazing insight into people's thoughts and private actions.  First you say Pelosi gave him three weeks and that was up yesterday.  Can you tell us exactly where that ultimatum was delivered and what was the consequence? And how would Pelosi, who is not in leadership, force the president out of the race?  

    Second, you tell us Biden didn't believe Harris was qualified to be president today.  Tell us more about how you know how Biden feels about Harris.  Do you have quotes?  Do you have mind reading results?  Or do you just talk out of your ass?
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,281
    teskeinc said:
    It was more of he didn’t think Kamala could beat Trump as well. She was put on the ticket because of her gender and race in 2020. 
    That's about the most crass way you could characterize her being on the ticket with an old white dude, but sure let's go with your generalization. I guess it's the same reason Obama chose Biden and Trump chose Pence. The VP is someone meant to balance the ticket. Same way Harris will most likely pick a white male because there are still too many in the country afraid of a woman in power, especially one of color.

    Your comments on here the last few days are just a glimpse in to the sexist, racist and misogynistic views that permeate the MAGA movement. So unfortunately, intelligent, witty and highly qualified candidates like Harris still have to push through these barriers everyday, unlike that unqualified ignoramus Trump.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,641
    You can bet that tRump's camp is wishing they had that Vance pick back. I bet they would go with Haley right now given the circumstances.


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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591
    Kamala Harris
    You can bet that tRump's camp is wishing they had that Vance pick back. I bet they would go with Haley right now given the circumstances.


    Interesting argument.  Would she have taken it?
  • teskeincteskeinc Posts: 1,784
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    tbergs said:
    That's about the most crass way you could characterize her being on the ticket with an old white dude, but sure let's go with your generalization. I guess it's the same reason Obama chose Biden and Trump chose Pence. The VP is someone meant to balance the ticket. Same way Harris will most likely pick a white male because there are still too many in the country afraid of a woman in power, especially one of color.

    Your comments on here the last few days are just a glimpse in to the sexist, racist and misogynistic views that permeate the MAGA movement. So unfortunately, intelligent, witty and highly qualified candidates like Harris still have to push through these barriers everyday, unlike that unqualified ignoramus Trump.
    So qualified and unpopular that she dropped out before the first primary in 2020? I guess her on the job training working with Joe Biden for 3.5 years has made up for her failure in 2020 though.

    And as “Border Czar” did such a great job she didn’t need to go to the border and supervise the largest number of illegal immigrants coming in in our history. But tell us how great she is?
  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,110
    Kamala Harris
    mrussel1 said:
    Interesting argument.  Would she have taken it?

    I bet she would; she's every bit as ambitious/ craven as Vance is. She would have been a far more palatable option, too, since her foreign policy views are reality-based, at least.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591
    Kamala Harris
    teskeinc said:
    So qualified and unpopular that she dropped out before the first primary in 2020? I guess her on the job training working with Joe Biden for 3.5 years has made up for her failure in 2020 though.

    And as “Border Czar” did such a great job she didn’t need to go to the border and supervise the largest number of illegal immigrants coming in in our history. But tell us how great she is?
    Did she encourage a mob to stop the certification, leading to a riot?  No?  Okay, she's qualified comparatively. 
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,488
    Joe Biden

    I bet she would; she's every bit as ambitious/ craven as Vance is. She would have been a far more palatable option, too, since her foreign policy views are reality-based, at least.
    There are a small, vilified handful of Republicans that have stayed true to recognizing Trump for what he is. Haley, like most of them, always comes back to King Donny. I am sure she'd have taken it.

    I'm not clear what the Biden decision would make the Trump camp wish they'd picked her instead of Vance though.
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  • teskeincteskeinc Posts: 1,784
    edited July 2024
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    mrussel1 said:
    You have some amazing insight into people's thoughts and private actions.  First you say Pelosi gave him three weeks and that was up yesterday.  Can you tell us exactly where that ultimatum was delivered and what was the consequence? And how would Pelosi, who is not in leadership, force the president out of the race?  

    Second, you tell us Biden didn't believe Harris was qualified to be president today.  Tell us more about how you know how Biden feels about Harris.  Do you have quotes?  Do you have mind reading results?  Or do you just talk out of your ass?
    I didn’t say it. Links were posted. Go back and read. I don’t know what the consequences would be. Guessing either 25th amendment or the threat of harsher punishment in Hunters sentencing? Just speculating there.

    Pelosi is still a powerful figure in the party. She controls the purse strings of Hollywood elite and big donors. 

    Biden has said it also in the Axios article that he didn’t think she could beat Trump. He was the only one that could finish the work he started. If he had confidence in Kamala he wouldn’t have run for re-election in the first place since he was only a “transitional” candidate by his own admission.

    Sorry if the truth hurts you. But that’s a character flaw you’re probably used to.

    https://www.axios.com/2024/07/18/nancy-pelosi-biden-president-2024

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  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,851

    I bet she would; she's every bit as ambitious/ craven as Vance is. She would have been a far more palatable option, too, since her foreign policy views are reality-based, at least.
    She would have.  Spineless, gutless puke.  
  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,851
    teskeinc said:
    I didn’t say it. Links were posted. Go back and read. I don’t know what the consequences would be. Guessing either 25th amendment or the threat of harsher punishment in Hunters sentencing? Just speculating there.

    Pelosi is still a powerful figure in the party. She controls the purse strings of Hollywood elite and big donors. 

    Biden has said it also in the Axios article that he didn’t think she could beat Trump. He was the only one that could finish the work he started. If he had confidence in Kamala he wouldn’t have run for re-election in the first place since he was only a “transitional” candidate by his own admission.

    Sorry if the truth hurts you. But that’s a character flaw you’re probably used to.

    https://www.axios.com/2024/07/18/nancy-pelosi-biden-president-2024

    You’ve got no clue who you’re saying this about.  It couldn’t be further from the truth.  You got the wrong guy on this one.  
  • teskeincteskeinc Posts: 1,784
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    I bet she would; she's every bit as ambitious/ craven as Vance is. She would have been a far more palatable option, too, since her foreign policy views are reality-based, at least.
    Let’s be honest if she was picked she would be slandered here by the lefty liberals just like any other candidate. That’s what you do here.

    End of the day it doesn’t matter. The 10-20 posters here are voting for an empty chair over Trump. It’s people like me who have voted mostly Democrat in their life that needs a centrist candidate to be better than Trump. That isn’t Kamala. That’s what is going to decide the swing states and ultimately the election.
  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,110
    Kamala Harris
    OnWis97 said:
    There are a small, vilified handful of Republicans that have stayed true to recognizing Trump for what he is. Haley, like most of them, always comes back to King Donny. I am sure she'd have taken it.

    I'm not clear what the Biden decision would make the Trump camp wish they'd picked her instead of Vance though.

    Good question. I'd guess: she's more physically appealing/ attractive than Vance is (that matters to T---p!); she's more qualified than Vance; having a woman on the ticket would allow them to point to their own party diversity/ pay lip service to understanding the needs of women. Again, I'm just guessing here.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,430
    Are you trying to be witty?  Has Kamala become president and I missed it? That is what the 25th amendment is.  Making the VP the P no?
    The 25th is even a higher level intervention where a handful of people can remove a standing president. By the loose definition the reactionary right is using, it would also be a “coup”
  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,851
    teskeinc said:
    Let’s be honest if she was picked she would be slandered here by the lefty liberals just like any other candidate. That’s what you do here.

    End of the day it doesn’t matter. The 10-20 posters here are voting for an empty chair over Trump. It’s people like me who have voted mostly Democrat in their life that needs a centrist candidate to be better than Trump. That isn’t Kamala. That’s what is going to decide the swing states and ultimately the election.
    Ok let’s be honest, any man woman or child who would allow a POS insult their spouse, children, family and go work for them anyway is a money hungry, power hungry POS also.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591
    Kamala Harris
    teskeinc said:
    I didn’t say it. Links were posted. Go back and read. I don’t know what the consequences would be. Guessing either 25th amendment or the threat of harsher punishment in Hunters sentencing? Just speculating there.

    Pelosi is still a powerful figure in the party. She controls the purse strings of Hollywood elite and big donors. 

    Biden has said it also in the Axios article that he didn’t think she could beat Trump. He was the only one that could finish the work he started. If he had confidence in Kamala he wouldn’t have run for re-election in the first place since he was only a “transitional” candidate by his own admission.

    Sorry if the truth hurts you. But that’s a character flaw you’re probably used to.

    https://www.axios.com/2024/07/18/nancy-pelosi-biden-president-2024

    Threat of harsher punishment?  So now Pelosi controls the federal judge in the Hunter case?  Tell me more about the all-powerful Nancy Pelosi.  Why isn't she still Speaker if she can adjust sentencing for felons?  WTF are you talking about?  

    And where exactly in the article you posted does Biden say Harris can't win?  If Joe made some comment that he is the right person to finish the job, well duh.  Of course he's going to say that.  Give me a break.  Are you new to politics and personal ambition?
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,916
    The 25th is even a higher level intervention where a handful of people can remove a standing president. By the loose definition the reactionary right is using, it would also be a “coup”
    But it wasn't a coup.  They blatantly said it out in the open that Biden should step down, lol.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,641
    mrussel1 said:
    Interesting argument.  Would she have taken it?
    Hell yes...she has no shame
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,641
    teskeinc said:
    I didn’t say it. Links were posted. Go back and read. I don’t know what the consequences would be. Guessing either 25th amendment or the threat of harsher punishment in Hunters sentencing? Just speculating there.

    Pelosi is still a powerful figure in the party. She controls the purse strings of Hollywood elite and big donors. 

    Biden has said it also in the Axios article that he didn’t think she could beat Trump. He was the only one that could finish the work he started. If he had confidence in Kamala he wouldn’t have run for re-election in the first place since he was only a “transitional” candidate by his own admission.

    Sorry if the truth hurts you. But that’s a character flaw you’re probably used to.

    https://www.axios.com/2024/07/18/nancy-pelosi-biden-president-2024

    you really post some outrageous shit
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,641
    teskeinc said:
    Let’s be honest if she was picked she would be slandered here by the lefty liberals just like any other candidate. That’s what you do here.

    End of the day it doesn’t matter. The 10-20 posters here are voting for an empty chair over Trump. It’s people like me who have voted mostly Democrat in their life that needs a centrist candidate to be better than Trump. That isn’t Kamala. That’s what is going to decide the swing states and ultimately the election.
    I don't believe that for a second. Sorry.
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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,851
    edited July 2024
    I may not be up on my news so I’ll check but the Obama’s didn’t endorse her have they?  To be continued…

    this is why reading is fundamental.  He waits - which he did with Biden as well.  Totally forgot. 
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    teskeinc said:
    Apparently Pelosi gave Biden 3 weeks to do things the easy way or she was prepared to remove Biden the hard way. 3 weeks was up yesterday. He chose the easy way. (Guessing Hunter Biden’s court cases played a big role)

    Biden didn’t think Kamala was qualified to be President. But he was forced to drop out and endorse Kamala. 
    takes a big man to admit when he's wrong

    Biden continues to impress more everyday

    looking forward to Hunter's pardon after VP Harris is elected
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,488
    edited July 2024
    Joe Biden

    Good question. I'd guess: she's more physically appealing/ attractive than Vance is (that matters to T---p!); she's more qualified than Vance; having a woman on the ticket would allow them to point to their own party diversity/ pay lip service to understanding the needs of women. Again, I'm just guessing here.
    With Harris as the supposed running mate, I was kind of expecting Trump to pick a woman...and at that point, I thought looks would come into play which (while I find it generally gross to objectify this way but it applies to him), is why I never thought for a second it would be Stafinik and figured on Haley, Tulski, or Noem.* I think Vance was more of the "party" pick than the Trump pick, though. I truly believe he was picked because he thought Pence should have found a way to certify for Trump and that he will not certify 2028 for a Democrat regardless of how the votes go.

    *I wonder if the dog-shooting story cost her...
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  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,851
    OnWis97 said:
    With Harris as the supposed running mate, I was kind of expecting Trump to pick a woman...and at that point, I thought looks would come into play which (while I find it generally gross to objectify this way but it applies to him), is why I never thought for a second it would be Stafinik and figured on Haley, Tulski, or Noem.* I think Vance was more of the "party" pick than the Trump pick, though. I truly believe he was picked because he thought Pence should have found a way to certify for Trump and that he will not certify 2028 for a Democrat regardless of how the votes go.

    *I wonder if the dog-shooting story cost her...
    Vance was a Donnie Jr. pick.  
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,430
    But it wasn't a coup.  They blatantly said it out in the open that Biden should step down, lol.
    I know it’s not a coup, that’s what I’m saying. It seemed like you were suggesting it was earlier. 
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,916
    I know it’s not a coup, that’s what I’m saying. It seemed like you were suggesting it was earlier. 
    Ahh yeah I said it could be just an uprising so yeah. My bad.
  • teskeincteskeinc Posts: 1,784
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    Vance was a Donnie Jr. pick.  
    It was between Rubio and Vance. Yeah Jr. wanted Vance but apparently the law that VP and President can’t reside in the same state played a big factor as well.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,904
    Joe Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    Interesting argument.  Would she have taken it?
    In a heart beat! 
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,739
    Joe Biden
    In a heart beat! 
    I mean, it would make sense.  You are thinking your candidate is going to win.  If you are he sitting VP...sets you up really nicely for 2028.  She would have been dumb to not take it....and Trump was an idiot for not picking her...par for the course.
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