Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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  • Parksy
    Parksy Posts: 1,849
    Biden
    Parksy said:
    No disrespect intended at all...  To the Americans here...  you have an election upcoming between a convicted felon who is a life long hard core doosh bag, evil moron......    and an old man who looked completely lost in a field during a G7 meeting and who also looked like a confused mannequin at a Juneteenth ceremony.  

    Not good. 

    Is it too late to change the candidates at this point? For either side.  If it's not, what is considered like the deadline for any change to be made?  
    ...... 2 weeks later,  post debate... 

    same question :) 
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  • mace1229
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    tbergs said:
    mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Biden looked old, feeble, and most importantly like he he's lost most of what he had mentally.

    Trump lied.

    Winner: Trump.
    And Biden had several lies himself. Just not as many. So it’s kind of hard to argue Trump did poorly in the debate because the other guy only lied less.
    This is the problem with Trump and any opponent and always has been. Trump can lie 90% of the time and it's fine, but if the opponent makes a few misleading statements that may not be 100% accurate then the comparison is they both lie. There are blatant bold faced lies with no actual purpose but to be dishonest and then there are exaggerations or mistruths where not all parts of the statement are true. What Biden and most politicians do is a common practice and has been for decades, but what Trump does is downright devious. Not saying either is ok, but the two aren't even close to comparable. 
    I see little difference. Claiming no soldier has died during your presidency or that Trump instructed people to inject bleach are just as much of a lie as anything Trump said. He just said half as many.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Biden
    I woke up this morning searching my mind for something positive regarding this fiasco and drew nothing but blanks.  Then I went out into the kitchen, gave my wife a hug, gave the cat her morning treats, and made my coffee.  All is not lost.  As long as there are people you're close to, a favorite pet, a good cup of coffee or tea or whatever you like to start your day with, and you don't look past the moment, all is not lost.  Beyond that....  I don't know. 
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Biden
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    tempo_n_groove said:

    Not a fan of Trump but after the first five minutes I'd have voted for him.
    So you like receiving a firehose full of lies, I suppose. You do you.
    All politicians lie.  They do.  I can't understand why anyone would think this was a good look for Biden?  Why would you vote for him?

    I'd vote Biden just to keep Trump out but the mass audience won't see it like that.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Biden
    tbergs said:
    mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Biden looked old, feeble, and most importantly like he he's lost most of what he had mentally.

    Trump lied.

    Winner: Trump.
    And Biden had several lies himself. Just not as many. So it’s kind of hard to argue Trump did poorly in the debate because the other guy only lied less.
    This is the problem with Trump and any opponent and always has been. Trump can lie 90% of the time and it's fine, but if the opponent makes a few misleading statements that may not be 100% accurate then the comparison is they both lie. There are blatant bold faced lies with no actual purpose but to be dishonest and then there are exaggerations or mistruths where not all parts of the statement are true. What Biden and most politicians do is a common practice and has been for decades, but what Trump does is downright devious. Not saying either is ok, but the two aren't even close to comparable. 
    Did any news source document what was a lie from them?  That would be interesting to read.
  • Glorified KC
    Glorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,814
    Biden
    Can I still vote for Ross Perot?
    I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Biden
    Glorified KC said:
    Can I still vote for Ross Perot?
    Vote for the dead guy!

    Im writing in Ralph Nader.  I want all cool things abolished!
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Biden
    OK, so we have two old farts running for president, one old and decrepit, and one ultra-narcissist anti-democracy nut case.  How did we get there and how do we change?  Here's what I think:  Younger generations, people need to get off their phones, and get off their asses, and get into the real world and start making changes.  Others have done that in the past.  G.I. generation pulled this country out of the depression and fought for freedom and democracy.  Boomers stood up and rallied to put an end to the war in Vietnam.  Now it's time for a new generation to get moving and do something.  My generation is not going to change anything.  There are not enough of us with any gas in the tank anymore.  We're old, we're worn out.  We're passe.  If gen Z and gen X don't get off their phones and get off their asses, this country is going into the shitter for good.  It blows my mind that were even talking about Biden and Trump.  I mean, really, WTF?  Wake up, younger people. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Biden
    tempo_n_groove said:
    tbergs said:
    mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Biden looked old, feeble, and most importantly like he he's lost most of what he had mentally.

    Trump lied.

    Winner: Trump.
    And Biden had several lies himself. Just not as many. So it’s kind of hard to argue Trump did poorly in the debate because the other guy only lied less.
    This is the problem with Trump and any opponent and always has been. Trump can lie 90% of the time and it's fine, but if the opponent makes a few misleading statements that may not be 100% accurate then the comparison is they both lie. There are blatant bold faced lies with no actual purpose but to be dishonest and then there are exaggerations or mistruths where not all parts of the statement are true. What Biden and most politicians do is a common practice and has been for decades, but what Trump does is downright devious. Not saying either is ok, but the two aren't even close to comparable. 
    Did any news source document what was a lie from them?  That would be interesting to read.
    CNN had like over 30 from Trump and maybe 8 from Biden.

    tbergs is right. This is the usual bothsides nonsense that should have ended years ago but never well, it seems. 
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  • nicknyr15
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    I'm sitting this one out
    I’m just curious. Everyone on the left has been defending his age and ability for years now. And it seems overnight, all these same people have turned on him. It’s pretty embarrassing to watch. Biden should’ve been a one term from the first day. He was the best to beat Trump. He accomplished it, he has nothing left to prove. He’s had a storybook career. I’m just not sure why it got this far. 
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,830
    Biden
    brianlux said:
    OK, so we have two old farts running for president, one old and decrepit, and one ultra-narcissist anti-democracy nut case.  How did we get there and how do we change?  Here's what I think:  Younger generations, people need to get off their phones, and get off their asses, and get into the real world and start making changes.  Others have done that in the past.  G.I. generation pulled this country out of the depression and fought for freedom and democracy.  Boomers stood up and rallied to put an end to the war in Vietnam.  Now it's time for a new generation to get moving and do something.  My generation is not going to change anything.  There are not enough of us with any gas in the tank anymore.  We're old, we're worn out.  We're passe.  If gen Z and gen X don't get off their phones and get off their asses, this country is going into the shitter for good.  It blows my mind that were even talking about Biden and Trump.  I mean, really, WTF?  Wake up, younger people. 
    Interesting passing off the damage baby boomers have done and continue to do on genX, millennial and gen’s apathy…. Bold take. 


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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, so we have two old farts running for president, one old and decrepit, and one ultra-narcissist anti-democracy nut case.  How did we get there and how do we change?  Here's what I think:  Younger generations, people need to get off their phones, and get off their asses, and get into the real world and start making changes.  Others have done that in the past.  G.I. generation pulled this country out of the depression and fought for freedom and democracy.  Boomers stood up and rallied to put an end to the war in Vietnam.  Now it's time for a new generation to get moving and do something.  My generation is not going to change anything.  There are not enough of us with any gas in the tank anymore.  We're old, we're worn out.  We're passe.  If gen Z and gen X don't get off their phones and get off their asses, this country is going into the shitter for good.  It blows my mind that were even talking about Biden and Trump.  I mean, really, WTF?  Wake up, younger people. 
    Interesting passing off the damage baby boomers have done and continue to do on genX, millennial and gen’s apathy…. Bold take. 


    Our gen is an embarrassment.  Obama is a tweener,  but if you call him Boomer then that gen has had the presidency since 92. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,105
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, so we have two old farts running for president, one old and decrepit, and one ultra-narcissist anti-democracy nut case.  How did we get there and how do we change?  Here's what I think:  Younger generations, people need to get off their phones, and get off their asses, and get into the real world and start making changes.  Others have done that in the past.  G.I. generation pulled this country out of the depression and fought for freedom and democracy.  Boomers stood up and rallied to put an end to the war in Vietnam.  Now it's time for a new generation to get moving and do something.  My generation is not going to change anything.  There are not enough of us with any gas in the tank anymore.  We're old, we're worn out.  We're passe.  If gen Z and gen X don't get off their phones and get off their asses, this country is going into the shitter for good.  It blows my mind that were even talking about Biden and Trump.  I mean, really, WTF?  Wake up, younger people. 
    Interesting passing off the damage baby boomers have done and continue to do on genX, millennial and gen’s apathy…. Bold take. 


    Kinda the same as some on here blaming dems for POOTWH, rather than acknowledging all of the repubs and their infrastructure that gave rise to and continues to support him for their party’s nominee as POTUS. Right? Same-same.

    Whaaaaa, why didn’t the Dems nominate someone other than Brandon? Whaaaaaa, I can’t believe they didn’t replace him or groom someone to run 2 or 3 years ago! Whaaaaaaaa! The real question and issue is, WTF is wrong with the repub party and all those millionaires and billionaires and the 70M+ ‘Muricans that send money and support a total POS of a human being? Brandon in a coma is a better candidate than POOTWH. Fuck those chaos agent dems. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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  • The Juggler
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    Biden
    nicknyr15 said:
    I’m just curious. Everyone on the left has been defending his age and ability for years now. And it seems overnight, all these same people have turned on him. It’s pretty embarrassing to watch. Biden should’ve been a one term from the first day. He was the best to beat Trump. He accomplished it, he has nothing left to prove. He’s had a storybook career. I’m just not sure why it got this far. 
    Maybe it's because there was a seismic shift that happened overnight?

    Time and time again over the last 5 years, Biden has been underestimated and exceeded expectations---debates, speeches, sotu's etc. And contrary, to maga belief, the country is not in horrible shape considering where it was when he was sworn in. So of course they would defend their guy.

    Last night was really the first time he came up small since those early debates in 2015...and it wasn't just small. It was jarring. Possibly the worst debate performance ever, considering how much is on the line. 
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  • nicknyr15
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    I'm sitting this one out
    The Juggler said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    I’m just curious. Everyone on the left has been defending his age and ability for years now. And it seems overnight, all these same people have turned on him. It’s pretty embarrassing to watch. Biden should’ve been a one term from the first day. He was the best to beat Trump. He accomplished it, he has nothing left to prove. He’s had a storybook career. I’m just not sure why it got this far. 
    Maybe it's because there was a seismic shift that happened overnight?

    Time and time again over the last 5 years, Biden has been underestimated and exceeded expectations---debates, speeches, sotu's etc. And contrary, to maga belief, the country is not in horrible shape considering where it was when he was sworn in. So of course they would defend their guy.

    Last night was really the first time he came up small since those early debates in 2015...and it wasn't just small. It was jarring. Possibly the worst debate performance ever, considering how much is on the line. 
    Fair enough. I guess it’s just shocking to see the complete 180 in a 12 hour period. 
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    edited June 2024
    Biden
    nicknyr15 said:
    The Juggler said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    I’m just curious. Everyone on the left has been defending his age and ability for years now. And it seems overnight, all these same people have turned on him. It’s pretty embarrassing to watch. Biden should’ve been a one term from the first day. He was the best to beat Trump. He accomplished it, he has nothing left to prove. He’s had a storybook career. I’m just not sure why it got this far. 
    Maybe it's because there was a seismic shift that happened overnight?

    Time and time again over the last 5 years, Biden has been underestimated and exceeded expectations---debates, speeches, sotu's etc. And contrary, to maga belief, the country is not in horrible shape considering where it was when he was sworn in. So of course they would defend their guy.

    Last night was really the first time he came up small since those early debates in 2015...and it wasn't just small. It was jarring. Possibly the worst debate performance ever, considering how much is on the line. 
    Fair enough. I guess it’s just shocking to see the complete 180 in a 12 hour period. 
    It would be fascinating to know the inner circle's true thoughts; those with him this past week during the prep. Did this catch everybody by surprise and was the worst they've seen or was it a glimpse into the struggles they were trying to improve and why they felt a week of prep was necessary? I also sometimes wonder if they overloaded him? I mean, he really only needed to hit about 6 - 8 key points about his accomplishments and then just rebuff any Trump bullshit, but he ultimately failed to do either. Stumbling to be clear on his accomplishments and failing to "refuttal" Trump lies. I think he did a better job of that 4 years ago, even if it was only to say "Shut up" to that dipshit.
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,956
    edited June 2024
    Biden
    I have to agree to let Joe be Joe. I don't know what happened last night at the debate but I know who'll be getting my vote. Have a great weekend all. :)

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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,852
    tbergs said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    The Juggler said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    I’m just curious. Everyone on the left has been defending his age and ability for years now. And it seems overnight, all these same people have turned on him. It’s pretty embarrassing to watch. Biden should’ve been a one term from the first day. He was the best to beat Trump. He accomplished it, he has nothing left to prove. He’s had a storybook career. I’m just not sure why it got this far. 
    Maybe it's because there was a seismic shift that happened overnight?

    Time and time again over the last 5 years, Biden has been underestimated and exceeded expectations---debates, speeches, sotu's etc. And contrary, to maga belief, the country is not in horrible shape considering where it was when he was sworn in. So of course they would defend their guy.

    Last night was really the first time he came up small since those early debates in 2015...and it wasn't just small. It was jarring. Possibly the worst debate performance ever, considering how much is on the line. 
    Fair enough. I guess it’s just shocking to see the complete 180 in a 12 hour period. 
    It would be fascinating to know the inner circle's true thoughts; those with him this past week during the prep. Did this catch everybody by surprise and was the worst they've seen or was it a glimpse into the struggles they were trying to improve and why they felt a week of prep was necessary? I also sometimes wonder if they overloaded him? I mean, he really only needed to hit about 6 - 8 key points about his accomplishments and then just rebuff any Trump bullshit, but he ultimately failed to do either. Stumbling to be clear on his accomplishments and failing to "refuttal" Trump lies. I think he did a better job of that 4 years ago, even if it was only to say "Shut up" to that dipshit.


    I believe you nailed it in the bolded parts, they overloaded him and they needed to simplify what he needed to say into ten or fewer key points. The dem inner circle goes overboard thinking trump is a monster, instead of seeing him the way independents in swing states do.

    The Democratic Party campaign leadership has been TERRIBLE the last ten years or so. They made terrible decisions starting with the first trump campaign in 2016 (“don’t worry about her emails, we are way ahead”) and  if you think about it, the current democratic campaign regime (after much of the Obama leaders retired from campaigning) has never won a real presidential campaign, as 2020 was a bizarre ride thru Covid with no real rallies or campaigning.

    Obama had an amazing team with Plouffe and Axelrod, but a lot of that team disappeared in 2016.
  • jerparker20
    jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,529
    Biden
    IMO… the best thing that could happen would be for both to drop dead roughly 8-10 weeks before the election. The parties will need to find a nominee and make it a horse race to Election Day.

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