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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Posts: 40,273
    i am a target said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    There are other aspects to it, like holding back the best seats to create a feeding frenzy early on to move uppers

    fees

    moving tix thru secondary markets and claiming they have no affiliation

    its layered

    but yes, Artists fuck their fans too

    How is it fucking their fans, exactly? Unless Ed or Stone forced you to buy a ticket?

    Music is a business and I'm not sure why anyone thinks otherwise. Don't like the cost of the product? Don't buy it.
    unfortunately when the product is an event where the "manufacturer" has the monopoly on the product, it becomes a problem. 
    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,714
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    i am a target said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    There are other aspects to it, like holding back the best seats to create a feeding frenzy early on to move uppers

    fees

    moving tix thru secondary markets and claiming they have no affiliation

    its layered

    but yes, Artists fuck their fans too

    How is it fucking their fans, exactly? Unless Ed or Stone forced you to buy a ticket?

    Music is a business and I'm not sure why anyone thinks otherwise. Don't like the cost of the product? Don't buy it.
    unfortunately when the product is an event where the "manufacturer" has the monopoly on the product, it becomes a problem. 
    This may work out better for the artists which is reason enough but I don't know what people are expecting to change for the consumer. When I use a TM competitor, (AXS, etc.) I'm being charged a similar % service fee. From there the ticket prices themselves are just supply/demand.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Posts: 40,273
    I was just referring to comparing this to any other type of product, like you could "shop" for concert tickets somewhere else for cheaper. there is no direct competitor, as no band is the same product. 
    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,897
    edited May 2024
    I don't know how ticket sales were going for The Black Keys. But many artists have many tickets available for their shows. Bigger artists than them. Some even with reasonably priced tickets. Do they need to sell a certain percentage?

    Tate McRae is able to sell MSG well
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,714
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I was just referring to comparing this to any other type of product, like you could "shop" for concert tickets somewhere else for cheaper. there is no direct competitor, as no band is the same product. 
    Ah...I see now. Yeah, totally agree on that.
  • Huskers20
    Huskers20 Posts: 107
    Saw this post after I made one about MSG, very interesting.  But w/ MSG I think they would be losing over a MILLION$ on 2 nights of sales

    Wondering other people's thoughts.....I have seen PJ 2x at MSG once side and once rear, both were great.  Do we think they are going to drop these?  I can't believe they are going to curtain the back 15/20% of the arena, when it is sold out and prices are at a premium.
    I know we have been hearing last minute drops on the west coast, but this is the whole behind the stage, between 2 nights this is a minimum of a $MIllion$
    Can't believe they haven't been dropped yet.
    Just wondering experts thoughts....or a petition to drop the tickets, we will FILL it.
  • JD87070
    JD87070 Grand Blanc, MI Posts: 309
    That graph might be an average at best. Every band negotiates their cut of the ticket sales money with Live Nation. If the band agrees to playing only LN venues and doesn’t restrict resale/dynamic priced tickets, they can at times get 100% of the ticket money because LN is making so much on the other costs. A band like PJ, who plays many non-LN owned venues, restricts ticket resale and limits dynamic prices, get a much smaller portion of the ticket money, so to make the tour profitable, they have to have a higher ticket price to compensate for LN’s business practices. This is a perfect example of what the DOJ suit is about, punishing fans for bands that don’t want to play ball with LN. I can’t imagine how Neil Young is making any money on his current tour with the resale restrictions, limited dynamic priced tickets AND he’s demanding no large corporation alcohol sales (only locally owned craft beer are allowed for sale at the concessions at his shows) and all the meat has to be natural and sourced from local farms.
  • njhaley1
    njhaley1 Posts: 972
    JD87070 said:
    I can’t imagine how Neil Young is making any money on his current tour with the resale restrictions, limited dynamic priced tickets AND he’s demanding no large corporation alcohol sales (only locally owned craft beer are allowed for sale at the concessions at his shows) and all the meat has to be natural and sourced from local farms.
    This caught me off guard, but not surprising. My daughter wanted an ice cream at our show last month, there were ads all over the venue. 

    Nope, he wouldn't allow them to sell non-organic ice cream. My kid was... Gutted. 

    I have a feeling Neil's tour is a zero-emissions, zero-income tour. 
  • JD87070
    JD87070 Grand Blanc, MI Posts: 309
    njhaley1 said:
    JD87070 said:
    I can’t imagine how Neil Young is making any money on his current tour with the resale restrictions, limited dynamic priced tickets AND he’s demanding no large corporation alcohol sales (only locally owned craft beer are allowed for sale at the concessions at his shows) and all the meat has to be natural and sourced from local farms.


    I have a feeling Neil's tour is a zero-emissions, zero-income tour. 
    But still one hell of a show!
  • njhaley1
    njhaley1 Posts: 972
    edited May 2024
    JD87070 said:
    njhaley1 said:
    JD87070 said:
    I can’t imagine how Neil Young is making any money on his current tour with the resale restrictions, limited dynamic priced tickets AND he’s demanding no large corporation alcohol sales (only locally owned craft beer are allowed for sale at the concessions at his shows) and all the meat has to be natural and sourced from local farms.


    I have a feeling Neil's tour is a zero-emissions, zero-income tour. 
    But still one hell of a show!
    No doubt. I couldn't believe they still brought that much energy. Can't wait for ohana. 
  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,812
    I guess it's never too young (excuse the pun) to introduce your kid to locally owned craft beer.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,573
    JD87070 said:
    That graph might be an average at best. Every band negotiates their cut of the ticket sales money with Live Nation. If the band agrees to playing only LN venues and doesn’t restrict resale/dynamic priced tickets, they can at times get 100% of the ticket money because LN is making so much on the other costs. A band like PJ, who plays many non-LN owned venues, restricts ticket resale and limits dynamic prices, get a much smaller portion of the ticket money, so to make the tour profitable, they have to have a higher ticket price to compensate for LN’s business practices. This is a perfect example of what the DOJ suit is about, punishing fans for bands that don’t want to play ball with LN. I can’t imagine how Neil Young is making any money on his current tour with the resale restrictions, limited dynamic priced tickets AND he’s demanding no large corporation alcohol sales (only locally owned craft beer are allowed for sale at the concessions at his shows) and all the meat has to be natural and sourced from local farms.

    Most tickets at Neil’s shows were $275, much higher than PJs face value. For specialized food and beverages, the vendors charge what they need to at least break even. Neil is a bare bones show, four dudes with three guitars and a drum set, not much of a production. Neil is a money whiz, I’m sure he’s figuring out how to make the tour worth his time.

    A big cost driver for PJ is they usually play 20 shows or less a year (this year being an outlier), driving up fixed cost on a per ticket basis. LN is thrilled when either of these artists want to tour, since a sellout is likely.
  • Milestone
    Milestone Posts: 1,140
    SandyRavage said:
    Honestly, on this run, the higher price is probably stemming from the production costs to rent and build the video wall that goes on tour with the band
    Gotta pay Josh Klinghoffer! (just kidding)
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    Maybe Ed's hat collection accounts for the price increase? (kidding again)
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