The artist sets the ticket price….

davidos
davidos Posts: 481
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Interesting article in the WSJ on who gets what from ticket sales… 


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  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,812
    Interesting and topical topic, Davidos.
    And also interesting that no one here seems to be interested.
    I tried to read the WSJ article you cited but am unable to access it online without a subscription.
    Do you have a digital WSJ account that you can cut and paste the article from for us?
    Thanks either way.
  • KV4053
    KV4053 Mike's side, crushed up against the stage Posts: 1,514
    I care. Here's a link to the lawsuit if you want the details.

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  • BloodMeridian80
    BloodMeridian80 Seattle Posts: 723
    davidos said:
    Interesting article in the WSJ on who gets what from ticket sales… 


    What's the note at the bottom say? I love hypothetical infographics based on info that can't be verified.
  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,812
    Actually, I was referring to the graph in the WSJ article that shows that it is indeed the band (at least when they become highly successful) that decides what the ticket prices will be, not the ticket outlet or the venue. I'm not saying that this is wrong - after all, the band is the product and deserve the bulk of the money, but they could set the price lower as a favor to their fans if they wanted to.
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 NEW YORK Posts: 11,366
    There are other aspects to it, like holding back the best seats to create a feeding frenzy early on to move uppers

    fees

    moving tix thru secondary markets and claiming they have no affiliation

    its layered

    but yes, Artists fuck their fans too
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,424
    Whats the issue here? That Pearl Jam is charging high ticket prices?

  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    Tim Simmons said:
    Whats the issue here? That Pearl Jam is charging high ticket prices?

    That TM gets the blame for mostly everything. 
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,702
    I’m not sure how accurate this is, plus the entire crew falls under ‘artist’
  • SandyRavage
    SandyRavage Posts: 1,126
    Honestly, on this run, the higher price is probably stemming from the production costs to rent and build the video wall that goes on tour with the band, and the fact that they cut out all seats behind the stage that would have been sell outs
  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,094
    I think the monopolistic practices are more under scrutiny than the core cost of a ticket.

    Artist's ticket prices should be higher when music releases and album sales are relatively non existent these days.

    What isn't justified in terms of cost that is why the service fee should latch onto higher prices as well by being pro-rata to the ticket price.

    Why should someone who buys a premium seat at $500 and get hit with a $85 fee vs a $25 fee with a $100 ticket when the same transaction occurs regardless?





  • i am a target
    i am a target Posts: 808
    CROJAM95 said:
    There are other aspects to it, like holding back the best seats to create a feeding frenzy early on to move uppers

    fees

    moving tix thru secondary markets and claiming they have no affiliation

    its layered

    but yes, Artists fuck their fans too

    How is it fucking their fans, exactly? Unless Ed or Stone forced you to buy a ticket?

    Music is a business and I'm not sure why anyone thinks otherwise. Don't like the cost of the product? Don't buy it.
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 NEW YORK Posts: 11,366
    i am a target said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    There are other aspects to it, like holding back the best seats to create a feeding frenzy early on to move uppers

    fees

    moving tix thru secondary markets and claiming they have no affiliation

    its layered

    but yes, Artists fuck their fans too

    How is it fucking their fans, exactly? Unless Ed or Stone forced you to buy a ticket?

    Music is a business and I'm not sure why anyone thinks otherwise. Don't like the cost of the product? Don't buy it.
    Uhhhh wasn’t talking bout PJ there , I said ARTISTS as in the thread is about a WSJ Article that touches on the general nature. Thanks for trying to put words in my mouth, may want to up your prescription glasses .

    for the record $186 in this market, and who they are and what you get is reasonable to me. Sure everyone wants cheaper

    also generally speaking TM gets all the heat, ARTISTS negotiate with them, get cut of fees

    understood or?
  • marumaruko
    marumaruko Posts: 421
    edited May 2024
    I think this doesn't really cover dynamic pricing unless the band decided on dynamic pricing. Also, don't big artists get paid a huge lump sum to have their tour organised by ticketmaster in the first place? This graphic is maybe a little bit too simple. 
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 20,308
    https://www.wsj.com/business/media/ticketmaster-live-nation-sued-justice-department-monopoly-d9442a75
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,718
    edited May 2024
    i am a target said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    There are other aspects to it, like holding back the best seats to create a feeding frenzy early on to move uppers

    fees

    moving tix thru secondary markets and claiming they have no affiliation

    its layered

    but yes, Artists fuck their fans too

    How is it fucking their fans, exactly? Unless Ed or Stone forced you to buy a ticket?

    Music is a business and I'm not sure why anyone thinks otherwise. Don't like the cost of the product? Don't buy it.
    Equting the relationship between artist and fan, to some full on ”the invisable hand” market ecobomy capitalist BS is just sad. 

    Icky stuff. 
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,723
    marumaruko said:
    I think this doesn't really cover dynamic pricing unless the band decided on dynamic pricing. Also, don't big artists get paid a huge lump sum to have their tour organised by ticketmaster in the first place? This graphic is maybe a little bit too simple. 
    No
    TM is the ticket seller
    Not the tour promoter.
    Big tours are organized and arranged by tour agencies and or tour promoters in consultation with the artists. And yes LN is often the promoter.

    Artists have to sign off on dynamic pricing as well.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,714
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    i am a target said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    There are other aspects to it, like holding back the best seats to create a feeding frenzy early on to move uppers

    fees

    moving tix thru secondary markets and claiming they have no affiliation

    its layered

    but yes, Artists fuck their fans too

    How is it fucking their fans, exactly? Unless Ed or Stone forced you to buy a ticket?

    Music is a business and I'm not sure why anyone thinks otherwise. Don't like the cost of the product? Don't buy it.
    Equting the relationship between artist and fan, to some full on ”the invisable hand” market ecobomy capitalist BS is just sad. 

    Icky stuff. 
    That's the relationship. Not understanding that is what leads to a lot of angst about ticketing, merch, prices, etc.
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,448
    pjl44 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    i am a target said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    There are other aspects to it, like holding back the best seats to create a feeding frenzy early on to move uppers

    fees

    moving tix thru secondary markets and claiming they have no affiliation

    its layered

    but yes, Artists fuck their fans too

    How is it fucking their fans, exactly? Unless Ed or Stone forced you to buy a ticket?

    Music is a business and I'm not sure why anyone thinks otherwise. Don't like the cost of the product? Don't buy it.
    Equting the relationship between artist and fan, to some full on ”the invisable hand” market ecobomy capitalist BS is just sad. 

    Icky stuff. 
    That's the relationship. Not understanding that is what leads to a lot of angst about ticketing, merch, prices, etc.
    I agree, so long as the ticket inflation seems proportional to other cost of living increases. If costs are going up, and the artists want their lifestyle to be maintained, their break-even point for ticket sales will be higher (leading to ticket price increases), and since the value of a dollar is diminished due to inflation, they'll reasonably seek more profit.


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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,718
    edited May 2024
    A theory I guess:





    Rolling Stone:

    The Black Keys have canceled the upcoming North American leg of their International Players Tour, with dates for the jaunt abruptly erased without explanation from the band's social media pages and official website.

    On Friday, fans noticed that the Ticketmaster listing for the International Players Tour's North American arena shows — which was set to begin September 17 in Tulsa, Oklahoma and run through November 12 in Detroit — listed all of the shows as canceled.

    Venues' individual listings for the concerts — including a September 18 gig at Austin's Moody Center and an October 30 show at New York's Madison Square Garden — also updated the pages to acknowledge that the shows had been canceled and that fans would automatically receive refunds. "Unfortunately, the Event Organizer has had to cancel this event," the Moody Center's listing noted.

    The Black Keys' official website has also scrubbed all of the band's upcoming tour dates except for a single one-off show, a July 6 gig at Chicago's NASCAR Street Race.
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  • i am a target
    i am a target Posts: 808
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    i am a target said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    There are other aspects to it, like holding back the best seats to create a feeding frenzy early on to move uppers

    fees

    moving tix thru secondary markets and claiming they have no affiliation

    its layered

    but yes, Artists fuck their fans too

    How is it fucking their fans, exactly? Unless Ed or Stone forced you to buy a ticket?

    Music is a business and I'm not sure why anyone thinks otherwise. Don't like the cost of the product? Don't buy it.
    Equting the relationship between artist and fan, to some full on ”the invisable hand” market ecobomy capitalist BS is just sad. 

    Icky stuff. 

    Here, I'll make it more clear for you. In this instance the relationship is defined by an exchange of capital for a product, is it not? The only reason Pearl Jam found "success" is because they sold a lot of albums and sold a lot of tickets. It's also why they've been able to continue to make albums and tour. It's called the music industry for a reason. Is that the entirety of the relationship between artist and fan, of course it isn't, but to think there's literally any other way to frame this situation as one between a consumer and a producer is just willful ignorance.

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