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  • cweeks1111
    cweeks1111 Posts: 198
    PJNB said:
    cweeks1111 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    SHZA said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam.  And ending both shows with the same song?  ugh.  
    Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
    Different strokes 
    Bingo.   
    Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
    The problem is the playing of the same four songs in a row in the same spot.  We all could have guessed they were gonna play some of the new songs every night but nothing like this.  
    And I love setting sun but to close with it two nights in a row?  
    I think you should go back to the 95 tour and check out where they slotted Last Exit, Spin The Black Circle, Tremor Christ, and Corduroy. Four songs in a row, usually in the same spot in the set, in that order. This isn't new.

    I enjoy the fact that they're still great live, and putting out great records.

    First world problems, but to each their own.
    If you had to go all the way back to 95 to find an example that is the same as Vancouvers 4 in a row I would say we could probably call it something that is at the very least out of the ordinary for this band and definitely worthy of discussion. 
    Discussion isn't the same as complaining, but I see your point.
  • droptheleash9
    droptheleash9 Posts: 1,468
    My setlist grievance is the same grievance as always, which is that the song grievance is not played nearly enough!
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,521
    BF25394 said:
    If they had kept on and played the whole album straight through on Night 1, and then done the same thing on Night 2, would people have the same complaint as they do having heard four songs in a row from the new album on both nights? I suspect they wouldn't. And I suspect that if they played the album straight through on Night 1 and then didn't do it on Night 2, people who went to Night 2 only would have complained about that.
    I for one would not be thrilled if they were playing the full album in order every night
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    cweeks1111 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    SHZA said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam.  And ending both shows with the same song?  ugh.  
    Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
    Different strokes 
    Bingo.   
    Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
    The problem is the playing of the same four songs in a row in the same spot.  We all could have guessed they were gonna play some of the new songs every night but nothing like this.  
    And I love setting sun but to close with it two nights in a row?  
    I think you should go back to the 95 tour and check out where they slotted Last Exit, Spin The Black Circle, Tremor Christ, and Corduroy. Four songs in a row, usually in the same spot in the set, in that order. This isn't new.

    I enjoy the fact that they're still great live, and putting out great records.

    First world problems, but to each their own.
    An example from 29 years ago?  I think you proved my point.  I remember how pissed people were after they played the first three songs to start the East Rutherford shows in 2006.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,450
    droptheleash9 said:
    My setlist grievance is the same grievance as always, which is that the song grievance is not played nearly enough!
    for sure. 


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • OfThePearl
    OfThePearl Posts: 959
    My all time favorite opening sequence is Release, Last Exit. I got it more than once, back in the day. So I agree that the early explosion of energy is really exciting and satisfying.
    On the otherhand, some of the slow burners are among my favorite songs. Its hard to place enough of them in the main set without breaking the momentum/energy.

    Its kind of a compromise, to get a few of the top tier slower songs, before the big rock energy.
    You might think of it as, if you don't get that special opener you were hoping for, you now have another chance (or 2...)!  So while I like the 1-2 punch, I appreciate getting a few more of the slow exceptional songs into the set.
  • jonbond1779
    jonbond1779 London, UK Posts: 1,642
    droptheleash9 said:
    My setlist grievance is the same grievance as always, which is that the song grievance is not played nearly enough!
    Hahaha...and totally agree!
    "Bring it back, to the clean form. To the pure form"

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  • BloodMeridian80
    BloodMeridian80 Seattle Posts: 715
    cweeks1111 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    SHZA said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam.  And ending both shows with the same song?  ugh.  
    Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
    Different strokes 
    Bingo.   
    Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
    The problem is the playing of the same four songs in a row in the same spot.  We all could have guessed they were gonna play some of the new songs every night but nothing like this.  
    And I love setting sun but to close with it two nights in a row?  
    I think you should go back to the 95 tour and check out where they slotted Last Exit, Spin The Black Circle, Tremor Christ, and Corduroy. Four songs in a row, usually in the same spot in the set, in that order. This isn't new.

    I enjoy the fact that they're still great live, and putting out great records.

    First world problems, but to each their own.
    For the 2006 tour, you were more than likely going to get Life Wasted, WWS, and Severed Hand in the first few songs. The order would rotate a bit, but I kinda prefer keeping the album order in the current and latest situation where they played multiple songs from their brand new album in basically the same spot in the setlist.
  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,227
    MH143221 said:
    50 songs played over 2 nights. 
    9 repeats. 
    Of those 9, 7 were off the new album. 
    Only 2 covers each night. *Not counting Chloe/Crown

    I say that’s a pretty great start. 
    So, that means 41  songs over 2 shows that weren't repeats? (Math is not my strong suite, so I might be off=LOL)

    I agree that is a great start.
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,938
    cutz said:
    MH143221 said:
    50 songs played over 2 nights. 
    9 repeats. 
    Of those 9, 7 were off the new album. 
    Only 2 covers each night. *Not counting Chloe/Crown

    I say that’s a pretty great start. 
    So, that means 41  songs over 2 shows that weren't repeats? (Math is not my strong suite, so I might be off=LOL)

    I agree that is a great start.
    Put another way, they played 40* different songs across the two shows. Not many bands do that.

    * I think it was 25 songs the first night and 24 the second night, for a total of 49, including the nine repeats.
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,938
    pjl44 said:
    BF25394 said:
    If they had kept on and played the whole album straight through on Night 1, and then done the same thing on Night 2, would people have the same complaint as they do having heard four songs in a row from the new album on both nights? I suspect they wouldn't. And I suspect that if they played the album straight through on Night 1 and then didn't do it on Night 2, people who went to Night 2 only would have complained about that.
    I for one would not be thrilled if they were playing the full album in order every night
    I didn't say "every night." I just said both nights. We have no idea what they're going to do for the rest of the tour, but we have people freaking out based on what they did over the first two nights. And, again, we're talking about songs that no one has had the chance to hear live before.
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,938
    DEGBTI said:
    I think a lot of people are quick to defend PJ on this take. I think its more of a "wow, that's different" than a complaint. At least that's how I take it. I'm going to Portland and if they do it again that would be 'odd", to me at least. This is just based off the history off the bands set list, not a complaint.
    Someone called it "lame" and characterized their reaction to it as "ugh." 
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,938
    SVRDhand13 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    My only setlist grievance is the same grievance I've had for about a decade now: starting the show with three or four slow songs or ballads. I've always liked songs like Release or Long Road as an opener. But after that...let's rock (unless it's Arms Aloft lol). I'm not into songs like Nothingman or Low Light as the second song. 

    Easy for me to say though. I do suspect this is something they do to ease Eddie's voice into the show. Dude is pushing 60 now. Might need to warm up with a few slower songs before yelling and screaming songs like Go, Do The Evolution, etc. 
    13 years later and I still cannot believe Arms Aloft was played after Release at PJ20
    And I still can't believe it was included on Live on Ten Legs.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    edited May 2024
    BF25394 said:
    DEGBTI said:
    I think a lot of people are quick to defend PJ on this take. I think its more of a "wow, that's different" than a complaint. At least that's how I take it. I'm going to Portland and if they do it again that would be 'odd", to me at least. This is just based off the history off the bands set list, not a complaint.
    Someone called it "lame" and characterized their reaction to it as "ugh." 
    That was me.   I stand by your two quoted words.  At msg and Philly I don’t want the same four songs in a row in the same exact spot (lame) and don’t want the same last song (ugh).  ;)

    iso 2 for Philly 1
    iso 1 for msg 1.    :)
    hell I ll take three for Indy.  
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
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  • huntersthompson
    huntersthompson Posts: 1,030
    edited May 2024


    How about the guys recreating the opening three songs last time they were in Sacramento?  Btw, the Sacramento Valley Amphitheater in 2000 doesn't really count as it is an hour north on a show night....although they started that show with Whipping.

    This 2008 Sacramento show was the only one that has ever started with Spin the Black Circle (credit to Live on 4 Legs).  If those three bangers don't get you going out of the chute...this may be the wrong band for you.

    I am part of the fandom that looks forward to seeing songs from DM...don't care if they stay where they are or move around the setlist.  For those of you that are fortunate enough to be seeing a gaggle of shows on this tour, the 4 song DM run will afford you the opportunity to grab a beer, have a pee break and grab another beer and, should Ed wax poetic for a bit between songs, have another pee break....
    Post edited by huntersthompson on
  • kmcmanus
    kmcmanus Posts: 892
    mcgruff10 said:
    cweeks1111 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    SHZA said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam.  And ending both shows with the same song?  ugh.  
    Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
    Different strokes 
    Bingo.   
    Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
    The problem is the playing of the same four songs in a row in the same spot.  We all could have guessed they were gonna play some of the new songs every night but nothing like this.  
    And I love setting sun but to close with it two nights in a row?  
    I think you should go back to the 95 tour and check out where they slotted Last Exit, Spin The Black Circle, Tremor Christ, and Corduroy. Four songs in a row, usually in the same spot in the set, in that order. This isn't new.

    I enjoy the fact that they're still great live, and putting out great records.

    First world problems, but to each their own.
    An example from 29 years ago?  I think you proved my point.  I remember how pissed people were after they played the first three songs to start the East Rutherford shows in 2006.  
    To be fair, examples from 29 years ago get thrown around pretty liberally around here whenever Ticketmaster comes up 😉
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    kmcmanus said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    cweeks1111 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    SHZA said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam.  And ending both shows with the same song?  ugh.  
    Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
    Different strokes 
    Bingo.   
    Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
    The problem is the playing of the same four songs in a row in the same spot.  We all could have guessed they were gonna play some of the new songs every night but nothing like this.  
    And I love setting sun but to close with it two nights in a row?  
    I think you should go back to the 95 tour and check out where they slotted Last Exit, Spin The Black Circle, Tremor Christ, and Corduroy. Four songs in a row, usually in the same spot in the set, in that order. This isn't new.

    I enjoy the fact that they're still great live, and putting out great records.

    First world problems, but to each their own.
    An example from 29 years ago?  I think you proved my point.  I remember how pissed people were after they played the first three songs to start the East Rutherford shows in 2006.  
    To be fair, examples from 29 years ago get thrown around pretty liberally around here whenever Ticketmaster comes up 😉
    Ha ha!  Touché!  ;)
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,521
    BF25394 said:
    pjl44 said:
    BF25394 said:
    If they had kept on and played the whole album straight through on Night 1, and then done the same thing on Night 2, would people have the same complaint as they do having heard four songs in a row from the new album on both nights? I suspect they wouldn't. And I suspect that if they played the album straight through on Night 1 and then didn't do it on Night 2, people who went to Night 2 only would have complained about that.
    I for one would not be thrilled if they were playing the full album in order every night
    I didn't say "every night." I just said both nights. We have no idea what they're going to do for the rest of the tour, but we have people freaking out based on what they did over the first two nights. And, again, we're talking about songs that no one has had the chance to hear live before.
    Then in this scenario yes I'd be a little concerned if they had played the album in full sequentially the first two nights
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,521
    BF25394 said:
    cutz said:
    MH143221 said:
    50 songs played over 2 nights. 
    9 repeats. 
    Of those 9, 7 were off the new album. 
    Only 2 covers each night. *Not counting Chloe/Crown

    I say that’s a pretty great start. 
    So, that means 41  songs over 2 shows that weren't repeats? (Math is not my strong suite, so I might be off=LOL)

    I agree that is a great start.
    Put another way, they played 40* different songs across the two shows. Not many bands do that.

    * I think it was 25 songs the first night and 24 the second night, for a total of 49, including the nine repeats.
    A touch over 1/3 of the songs repeated in a 2 night stand is a shift. Last time I saw them it was 4/30 each night. We'll see what happens as the tour progresses.
  • spankyMP
    spankyMP NY to NC to NH Posts: 2,018
    edited May 2024
    Looks like they switched it up last night. I'm very excited to start crossing DM songs off my list Tuesday night.

    Just looked at the setlist of my first show and they played 9 from No Code. At the time probably many in the crowd were not pleased, but I was and looking back on it very thankful that they went heavy on the No Code tour.
    Randall's Island 9/29/96, Continental Arena 9/8/98, MSG 9/10/98, Jones Beach 8/23/00, 8/24/00, 8/25/00, Nassau Coliseum 4/30/03, MSG 7/8/03, 7/9/03, Continental Arena 6/1/06, 6/3/06, MSG 6/24/08, 6/25/08, Spectrum 10/30/09, 10/31/09, MSG 5/20/10, 5/21/10, PJ20 9/3/11, 9/4/11, Charlottesville 10/29/13, Charlotte 10/30/13, Global Citizen 9/26/15, Raleigh 4/20/16 :( Baltimore 3/28/20 :( Austin 9/18/23, 9/19/23, Forum 5/21/24, Baltimore 9/12/24, Fenway 9/17/24, Nashville 5/6/25, 5/8/25

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