Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam. And ending both shows with the same song? ugh.
Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
Different strokes
Bingo.
Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
This is not exactly what people are saying though. To be fair.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
My only setlist grievance is the same grievance I've had for about a decade now: starting the show with three or four slow songs or ballads. I've always liked songs like Release or Long Road as an opener. But after that...let's rock (unless it's Arms Aloft lol). I'm not into songs like Nothingman or Low Light as the second song.
Easy for me to say though. I do suspect this is something they do to ease Eddie's voice into the show. Dude is pushing 60 now. Might need to warm up with a few slower songs before yelling and screaming songs like Go, Do The Evolution, etc.
yeah, when the 2 slow song opening thing started (on the Lightning Bolt tour) it made the start a bit weird. Preferring the slower stuff, I enjoy getting songs like Nothingman and Lowlight, but it's a bit "jarring" flowwise.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Said it before, I will say it again, hopefully the people that are so horrified about this begin dumping their tickets back in to F2F, especially for the east coast shows.
Some of us live in the vast swath of land between "very excited for this development" and "horrified"
yeah, when the 2 slow song opening thing started (on the Lightning Bolt tour) it made the start a bit weird. Preferring the slower stuff, I enjoy getting songs like Nothingman and Lowlight, but it's a bit "jarring" flowwise.
It just feels (for me anyway) that the show doesn't truly begin until they play something upbeat. There's all this anticipation for them to come out onto the stage, but then those slower songs to open kinda take the wind out of my sails. I'm with you, nothing against songs like Nothingman. But I prefer songs like that as a bit of a break in the action rather than a way to start the show.
Said it before, I will say it again, hopefully the people that are so horrified about this begin dumping their tickets back in to F2F, especially for the east coast shows.
Some of us live in the vast swath of land between "very excited for this development" and "horrified"
I prefer the slow start over the slow second set that can drain a little of the energy that was built up.
Yeah that's fair. I never liked that sit-down, Led Zeppelin-style acoustic set. I guess I just miss the unpredictability of say the 2003 tour. Now, while it's hard to predict what song they'll play at any moment, it's pretty easy to tell what TYPE of song they're going to play at any moment...if that makes sense.
As someone who loves Dark Matter and only plans on going to one show on the tour, I was relieved to see that they played the majority of the album both shows so far. People complaining about shelling out so much money on multiple shows, that's their prerogative, but also their choice. Just like it's the band's choice to play whatever they want. They're obviously very proud of this album, and they should be.
The reality is that the majority of people at each of these shows are only going to one show and Pearl Jam wants to play the new stuff. It's not like they didn't almost completely change the song selections for the rest of the setlist outside of Dark Matter songs. I would think that should be appeasing enough to all but a small fraction of the fan base.
This .... We need to remember they're not only playing to people going to multiple shows. I would bet that a much higher % of people at a show are only going to one show as I am and always do (I did do 2 shows for the avocado tour, one being the Astoria in London which was a no brainer)
It's similar to people hoping for less 'ten' but in all my shows, I've only seen Jeremy once! I'd love to hear it again 🤞
If they had kept on and played the whole album straight through on Night 1, and then done the same thing on Night 2, would people have the same complaint as they do having heard four songs in a row from the new album on both nights? I suspect they wouldn't. And I suspect that if they played the album straight through on Night 1 and then didn't do it on Night 2, people who went to Night 2 only would have complained about that.
My only setlist grievance is the same grievance I've had for about a decade now: starting the show with three or four slow songs or ballads. I've always liked songs like Release or Long Road as an opener. But after that...let's rock (unless it's Arms Aloft lol). I'm not into songs like Nothingman or Low Light as the second song.
Easy for me to say though. I do suspect this is something they do to ease Eddie's voice into the show. Dude is pushing 60 now. Might need to warm up with a few slower songs before yelling and screaming songs like Go, Do The Evolution, etc.
13 years later and I still cannot believe Arms Aloft was played after Release at PJ20
I think a lot of people are quick to defend PJ on this take. I think its more of a "wow, that's different" than a complaint. At least that's how I take it. I'm going to Portland and if they do it again that would be 'odd", to me at least. This is just based off the history off the bands set list, not a complaint.
My only setlist grievance is the same grievance I've had for about a decade now: starting the show with three or four slow songs or ballads. I've always liked songs like Release or Long Road as an opener. But after that...let's rock (unless it's Arms Aloft lol). I'm not into songs like Nothingman or Low Light as the second song.
Easy for me to say though. I do suspect this is something they do to ease Eddie's voice into the show. Dude is pushing 60 now. Might need to warm up with a few slower songs before yelling and screaming songs like Go, Do The Evolution, etc.
13 years later and I still cannot believe Arms Aloft was played after Release at PJ20
To be a devil's advocate, if they had played a song like Why Go, Animal, or Hail Hail in that spot (ya know....like they should've), the entire pavilion might've imploded from the eruption from the crowd and we may all be dead right now. The crowd was ready to explode as they finished up Release. And then.....awkward silence for about 3 minutes lol
My only setlist grievance is the same grievance I've had for about a decade now: starting the show with three or four slow songs or ballads. I've always liked songs like Release or Long Road as an opener. But after that...let's rock (unless it's Arms Aloft lol). I'm not into songs like Nothingman or Low Light as the second song.
Easy for me to say though. I do suspect this is something they do to ease Eddie's voice into the show. Dude is pushing 60 now. Might need to warm up with a few slower songs before yelling and screaming songs like Go, Do The Evolution, etc.
13 years later and I still cannot believe Arms Aloft was played after Release at PJ20
Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam. And ending both shows with the same song? ugh.
Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
Different strokes
Bingo.
Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
The problem is the playing of the same four songs in a row in the same spot. We all could have guessed they were gonna play some of the new songs every night but nothing like this.
And I love setting sun but to close with it two nights in a row?
I think you should go back to the 95 tour and check out where they slotted Last Exit, Spin The Black Circle, Tremor Christ, and Corduroy. Four songs in a row, usually in the same spot in the set, in that order. This isn't new.
I enjoy the fact that they're still great live, and putting out great records.
Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam. And ending both shows with the same song? ugh.
Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
Different strokes
Bingo.
Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
The problem is the playing of the same four songs in a row in the same spot. We all could have guessed they were gonna play some of the new songs every night but nothing like this.
And I love setting sun but to close with it two nights in a row?
I think you should go back to the 95 tour and check out where they slotted Last Exit, Spin The Black Circle, Tremor Christ, and Corduroy. Four songs in a row, usually in the same spot in the set, in that order. This isn't new.
I enjoy the fact that they're still great live, and putting out great records.
First world problems, but to each their own.
If you had to go all the way back to 95 to find an example that is the same as Vancouvers 4 in a row I would say we could probably call it something that is at the very least out of the ordinary for this band and definitely worthy of discussion.
I'm gonna say I don't think it's a big deal if they play the first 4 of DM in order every show this entire tour. We are clearly getting variety in the burners to start, the 2nd half of the main set, and in the encore. Jeez.
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I'm gonna say I don't think it's a big deal if they play the first 4 of DM in order every show this entire tour. We are clearly getting variety in the burners to start, the 2nd half of the main set, and in the encore. Jeez.
Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam. And ending both shows with the same song? ugh.
Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
Different strokes
Bingo.
Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
The problem is the playing of the same four songs in a row in the same spot. We all could have guessed they were gonna play some of the new songs every night but nothing like this.
And I love setting sun but to close with it two nights in a row?
I think you should go back to the 95 tour and check out where they slotted Last Exit, Spin The Black Circle, Tremor Christ, and Corduroy. Four songs in a row, usually in the same spot in the set, in that order. This isn't new.
I enjoy the fact that they're still great live, and putting out great records.
First world problems, but to each their own.
If you had to go all the way back to 95 to find an example that is the same as Vancouvers 4 in a row I would say we could probably call it something that is at the very least out of the ordinary for this band and definitely worthy of discussion.
Discussion isn't the same as complaining, but I see your point.
If they had kept on and played the whole album straight through on Night 1, and then done the same thing on Night 2, would people have the same complaint as they do having heard four songs in a row from the new album on both nights? I suspect they wouldn't. And I suspect that if they played the album straight through on Night 1 and then didn't do it on Night 2, people who went to Night 2 only would have complained about that.
I for one would not be thrilled if they were playing the full album in order every night
Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam. And ending both shows with the same song? ugh.
Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
Different strokes
Bingo.
Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
The problem is the playing of the same four songs in a row in the same spot. We all could have guessed they were gonna play some of the new songs every night but nothing like this.
And I love setting sun but to close with it two nights in a row?
I think you should go back to the 95 tour and check out where they slotted Last Exit, Spin The Black Circle, Tremor Christ, and Corduroy. Four songs in a row, usually in the same spot in the set, in that order. This isn't new.
I enjoy the fact that they're still great live, and putting out great records.
First world problems, but to each their own.
An example from 29 years ago? I think you proved my point. I remember how pissed people were after they played the first three songs to start the East Rutherford shows in 2006.
My all time favorite opening sequence is Release, Last Exit. I got it more than once, back in the day. So I agree that the early explosion of energy is really exciting and satisfying. On the otherhand, some of the slow burners are among my favorite songs. Its hard to place enough of them in the main set without breaking the momentum/energy.
Its kind of a compromise, to get a few of the top tier slower songs, before the big rock energy. You might think of it as, if you don't get that special opener you were hoping for, you now have another chance (or 2...)! So while I like the 1-2 punch, I appreciate getting a few more of the slow exceptional songs into the set.
Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam. And ending both shows with the same song? ugh.
Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
Different strokes
Bingo.
Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
The problem is the playing of the same four songs in a row in the same spot. We all could have guessed they were gonna play some of the new songs every night but nothing like this.
And I love setting sun but to close with it two nights in a row?
I think you should go back to the 95 tour and check out where they slotted Last Exit, Spin The Black Circle, Tremor Christ, and Corduroy. Four songs in a row, usually in the same spot in the set, in that order. This isn't new.
I enjoy the fact that they're still great live, and putting out great records.
First world problems, but to each their own.
For the 2006 tour, you were more than likely going to get Life Wasted, WWS, and Severed Hand in the first few songs. The order would rotate a bit, but I kinda prefer keeping the album order in the current and latest situation where they played multiple songs from their brand new album in basically the same spot in the setlist.
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Easy for me to say though. I do suspect this is something they do to ease Eddie's voice into the show. Dude is pushing 60 now. Might need to warm up with a few slower songs before yelling and screaming songs like Go, Do The Evolution, etc.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
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Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
It's similar to people hoping for less 'ten' but in all my shows, I've only seen Jeremy once! I'd love to hear it again 🤞
Rock from the start of 1 slow burner max
Zero..ZERO covers 😊
And no more yellow ledbetter.
All this said and done, I've never come away disappointed
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
I enjoy the fact that they're still great live, and putting out great records.
First world problems, but to each their own.
Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18;
Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
On the otherhand, some of the slow burners are among my favorite songs. Its hard to place enough of them in the main set without breaking the momentum/energy.
Its kind of a compromise, to get a few of the top tier slower songs, before the big rock energy.
You might think of it as, if you don't get that special opener you were hoping for, you now have another chance (or 2...)! So while I like the 1-2 punch, I appreciate getting a few more of the slow exceptional songs into the set.
28/09/04 - Boston, 20/04/06 - London [\\mm//Astoria\\mm//] - 18/06/07 - Wembley Arena, 11/08/09 - London [\\mm//Shepherds Bush Empire\\mm//],18/08/09 - 02 Arena, 25/06/10 - Hyde Park, 26/06/12 - Amsterdam, 27/06/12 - Amsterdam, 08/07/14 - Leeds,11/07/14 - Milton Keynes, 13/06/18 - Amsterdam, 18/06/18 - London 02 Arena, 17/07/18 - London 02 Arena, 08/08/22 - Hyde Park, 9/08/22 - Hyde Park - 25/08/22 - Amsterdam, 29/07/24 - London {*Tottenham Stadium TBC*}
I agree that is a great start.
* I think it was 25 songs the first night and 24 the second night, for a total of 49, including the nine repeats.