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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,450
    edited May 2024
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    SHZA said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam.  And ending both shows with the same song?  ugh.  
    Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
    Different strokes 
    Bingo.   
    Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
    This is not exactly what people are saying though. To be fair.
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    My only setlist grievance is the same grievance I've had for about a decade now: starting the show with three or four slow songs or ballads. I've always liked songs like Release or Long Road as an opener. But after that...let's rock (unless it's Arms Aloft lol). I'm not into songs like Nothingman or Low Light as the second song. 

    Easy for me to say though. I do suspect this is something they do to ease Eddie's voice into the show. Dude is pushing 60 now. Might need to warm up with a few slower songs before yelling and screaming songs like Go, Do The Evolution, etc. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,450
    yeah, when the 2 slow song opening thing started (on the Lightning Bolt tour) it made the start a bit weird. Preferring the slower stuff, I enjoy getting songs like Nothingman and Lowlight, but it's a bit "jarring" flowwise. 
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  • PB11041
    PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,845
    pjl44 said:
    PB11041 said:
    Said it before, I will say it again, hopefully the people that are so horrified about this begin dumping their tickets back in to F2F, especially for the east coast shows.
    Some of us live in the vast swath of land between "very excited for this development" and "horrified"
    that is why I singled out the horrified. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    yeah, when the 2 slow song opening thing started (on the Lightning Bolt tour) it made the start a bit weird. Preferring the slower stuff, I enjoy getting songs like Nothingman and Lowlight, but it's a bit "jarring" flowwise. 
    It just feels (for me anyway) that the show doesn't truly begin until they play something upbeat. There's all this anticipation for them to come out onto the stage, but then those slower songs to open kinda take the wind out of my sails. I'm with you, nothing against songs like Nothingman. But I prefer songs like that as a bit of a break in the action rather than a way to start the show. 
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  • spankyMP
    spankyMP NY to NC to NH Posts: 2,019
    I prefer the slow start over the slow second set that can drain a little of the energy that was built up.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,521
    PB11041 said:
    pjl44 said:
    PB11041 said:
    Said it before, I will say it again, hopefully the people that are so horrified about this begin dumping their tickets back in to F2F, especially for the east coast shows.
    Some of us live in the vast swath of land between "very excited for this development" and "horrified"
    that is why I singled out the horrified. 
    I have not seen anyone who seems horrified 
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    spankyMP said:
    I prefer the slow start over the slow second set that can drain a little of the energy that was built up.
    Yeah that's fair. I never liked that sit-down, Led Zeppelin-style acoustic set. I guess I just miss the unpredictability of say the 2003 tour. Now, while it's hard to predict what song they'll play at any moment, it's pretty easy to tell what TYPE of song they're going to play at any moment...if that makes sense. 
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  • beano.79
    beano.79 Posts: 785
    Lifted said:
    As someone who loves Dark Matter and only plans on going to one show on the tour, I was relieved to see that they played the majority of the album both shows so far. People complaining about shelling out so much money on multiple shows, that's their prerogative, but also their choice. Just like it's the band's choice to play whatever they want. They're obviously very proud of this album, and they should be.

    The reality is that the majority of people at each of these shows are only going to one show and Pearl Jam wants to play the new stuff. It's not like they didn't almost completely change the song selections for the rest of the setlist outside of Dark Matter songs. I would think that should be appeasing enough to all but a small fraction of the fan base.
    This .... We need to remember they're not only playing to people going to multiple shows. I would bet that a much higher % of people at a show are only going to one show as I am and always do (I did do 2 shows for the avocado tour, one being the Astoria in London which was a no brainer)

    It's similar to people hoping for less 'ten' but in all my shows, I've only seen Jeremy once! I'd love to hear it again 🤞
  • beano.79
    beano.79 Posts: 785
    But, my preference if I had a choice..

    Rock from the start of 1 slow burner max

    Zero..ZERO covers 😊

    And no more yellow ledbetter.

    All this said and done, I've never come away disappointed 
  • BSully
    BSully Indiana Posts: 1,501
    I actually don't mind those 4 being played in a row, they flow together so nicely on the album, why not hear how is sounds live as well?

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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,938
    If they had kept on and played the whole album straight through on Night 1, and then done the same thing on Night 2, would people have the same complaint as they do having heard four songs in a row from the new album on both nights? I suspect they wouldn't. And I suspect that if they played the album straight through on Night 1 and then didn't do it on Night 2, people who went to Night 2 only would have complained about that.
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  • SVRDhand13
    SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,997
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    My only setlist grievance is the same grievance I've had for about a decade now: starting the show with three or four slow songs or ballads. I've always liked songs like Release or Long Road as an opener. But after that...let's rock (unless it's Arms Aloft lol). I'm not into songs like Nothingman or Low Light as the second song. 

    Easy for me to say though. I do suspect this is something they do to ease Eddie's voice into the show. Dude is pushing 60 now. Might need to warm up with a few slower songs before yelling and screaming songs like Go, Do The Evolution, etc. 
    13 years later and I still cannot believe Arms Aloft was played after Release at PJ20
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  • DEGBTI
    DEGBTI san diego Posts: 995
    I think a lot of people are quick to defend PJ on this take. I think its more of a "wow, that's different" than a complaint. At least that's how I take it. I'm going to Portland and if they do it again that would be 'odd", to me at least. This is just based off the history off the bands set list, not a complaint.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    edited May 2024
    SVRDhand13 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    My only setlist grievance is the same grievance I've had for about a decade now: starting the show with three or four slow songs or ballads. I've always liked songs like Release or Long Road as an opener. But after that...let's rock (unless it's Arms Aloft lol). I'm not into songs like Nothingman or Low Light as the second song. 

    Easy for me to say though. I do suspect this is something they do to ease Eddie's voice into the show. Dude is pushing 60 now. Might need to warm up with a few slower songs before yelling and screaming songs like Go, Do The Evolution, etc. 
    13 years later and I still cannot believe Arms Aloft was played after Release at PJ20
    To be a devil's advocate, if they had played a song like Why Go, Animal, or Hail Hail in that spot (ya know....like they should've), the entire pavilion might've imploded from the eruption from the crowd and we may all be dead right now. The crowd was ready to explode as they finished up Release. And then.....awkward silence for about 3 minutes lol 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    SVRDhand13 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    My only setlist grievance is the same grievance I've had for about a decade now: starting the show with three or four slow songs or ballads. I've always liked songs like Release or Long Road as an opener. But after that...let's rock (unless it's Arms Aloft lol). I'm not into songs like Nothingman or Low Light as the second song. 

    Easy for me to say though. I do suspect this is something they do to ease Eddie's voice into the show. Dude is pushing 60 now. Might need to warm up with a few slower songs before yelling and screaming songs like Go, Do The Evolution, etc. 
    13 years later and I still cannot believe Arms Aloft was played after Release at PJ20
    That was awful.
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  • cweeks1111
    cweeks1111 Posts: 198
    mcgruff10 said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    SHZA said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam.  And ending both shows with the same song?  ugh.  
    Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
    Different strokes 
    Bingo.   
    Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
    The problem is the playing of the same four songs in a row in the same spot.  We all could have guessed they were gonna play some of the new songs every night but nothing like this.  
    And I love setting sun but to close with it two nights in a row?  
    I think you should go back to the 95 tour and check out where they slotted Last Exit, Spin The Black Circle, Tremor Christ, and Corduroy. Four songs in a row, usually in the same spot in the set, in that order. This isn't new.

    I enjoy the fact that they're still great live, and putting out great records.

    First world problems, but to each their own.
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    cweeks1111 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    SHZA said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam.  And ending both shows with the same song?  ugh.  
    Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
    Different strokes 
    Bingo.   
    Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
    The problem is the playing of the same four songs in a row in the same spot.  We all could have guessed they were gonna play some of the new songs every night but nothing like this.  
    And I love setting sun but to close with it two nights in a row?  
    I think you should go back to the 95 tour and check out where they slotted Last Exit, Spin The Black Circle, Tremor Christ, and Corduroy. Four songs in a row, usually in the same spot in the set, in that order. This isn't new.

    I enjoy the fact that they're still great live, and putting out great records.

    First world problems, but to each their own.
    If you had to go all the way back to 95 to find an example that is the same as Vancouvers 4 in a row I would say we could probably call it something that is at the very least out of the ordinary for this band and definitely worthy of discussion. 
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,354
    I'm gonna say I don't think it's a big deal if they play the first 4 of DM in order every show this entire tour. We are clearly getting variety in the burners to start, the 2nd half of the main set, and in the encore. Jeez.
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  • cweeks1111
    cweeks1111 Posts: 198
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    I'm gonna say I don't think it's a big deal if they play the first 4 of DM in order every show this entire tour. We are clearly getting variety in the burners to start, the 2nd half of the main set, and in the encore. Jeez.
    THIS.

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