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  • TA243471
    TA243471 The Great Northwest Posts: 1,250
    Seems like they just had a tour or 2 for a new album, and somehow found a way to do 40 or so shows with 25 song sets, and be doing something different at the end of the tour than they were at the beginning.  There may still be time for them to NOT play the same 4 songs in the same 4 spots before the year is over.  But if for some reason thats how they choose to do this one, I'm pretty sure that I will still enjoy the hell out of the 9 shows i'm seeing this time.  Hopefully some of you are still able to find some reason to have a good time at these despite that terrible evil.
    • 2006: Gorge 1
    • 2009: Seattle 1
    • 2013: Seattle
    • 2016: Wrigley 1 & 2
    • 2018: Seattle 1&2, Montana
    • 2020: San Diego, LA 1&2, Oakland 1&2
    • 2022: San Diego, LA 1&2, Fresno, Sacramento, Las Vegas, Denver
    • 2024: Vancouver 1, Portland, Las Vegas 1&2, Seattle 1&2, Missoula, Dana Point 1 & 2
  • OfThePearl
    OfThePearl Posts: 959
    edited May 2024
    It has been expressed many times, how the songs fit/work together in the sequence on the album, and enhance each other that way.

    That sequence of the opening 4 album songs, (beginning the DM experience), and ending the show with Setting Sun, is ideal to me. But that contains 4 of my favorite (so far) 5 songs, so I really like it. Dark Matter after Wreckage makes it more agreeable to me (DM not my fav, but its the name of the album, its going to get played.)

    Just my personal preference. I hope they include those 5 in the same spots, for more than one of my shows.

    Vancouver got some great stuff beside the new ones. Wash, Chloe/Crown, Immortality, ALONE. Sure hope I get those at my shows.
    Post edited by OfThePearl on
  • Hankj25
    Hankj25 Posts: 388
    I will say that having the animations and screen set ups may take some of the spontaneity out of set list creation.  I also expect the production team to get more efficient and flexible as the shows move along.

    If the four DM songs are 5-8 for the rest of this US leg, that would be disappointing…but I’ll still go and have fun at the end of the month.
    Seattle 8-8-18
    Chicago 8-18-18
    Chicago 8-20-18
    St. Louis 4-4-20
    Denver 4-9-20
    Denver 9-22-22
    Noblesville 9-10-23
    Vancouver 5-6-24
    Seattle 5-30-24
    Nashville 5-6-25


    EV
    Chicago 2-9-22
    Tempe 2-26-23
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    SHZA said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam.  And ending both shows with the same song?  ugh.  
    Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
    Different strokes 
    Bingo.   
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Gibson
    Gibson Chicago Posts: 2,671

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  • Gibson
    Gibson Chicago Posts: 2,671
    edited May 2024
    JBob87 said:
    Gibson said:
    The way they're playing, you'd almost think they have an album to promote.
    Not an especially valid retort because we are primarily talking about repeats on a 2 night run, of which Vancouver stands above any other multi night run on the LB/BS tours. 

    We also live in a world where tickets and travel cost more than ever before. It’s valid for people to ask themselves if they really want to shell out the money for a 2 night run w more repeats than previously and 1/3 of the show being the new album due to the shorter sets. 
    It was meant as a joke and not a serious retort. At the end of the day, we don't choose their setlists and we don't have to follow set for set and predict with reasonable accuracy how each show will go. We could just show up and have a good time and not go back and forth about this.

    It's a great album, and we go to shows because we love the band and want to see them. As soon as we set expectations of what we think we deserve, disappointment to some degree shouldn't be too far behind. Travel for concerts is a choice and privilege - it's not a factor for what the band should play.
    Post edited by Gibson on
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  • MH143221
    MH143221 Posts: 37
    50 songs played over 2 nights. 
    9 repeats. 
    Of those 9, 7 were off the new album. 
    Only 2 covers each night. *Not counting Chloe/Crown

    I say that’s a pretty great start. 
    Charlotte 96
    Greenville 98
    Knoxville 98
    West Palm 00
    Atlanta 03
    MSG 03
    Asheville 04
    Camden 06
    Bonnaroo 08
    Columbia 08
    Atlanta 09 (EV Solo)
    Seattle 09
    Seattle 09
    MSG 10
    MSG 10
    Pensacola 12
    Wrigley 13
  • kmcmanus
    kmcmanus Posts: 892
    Two of the four repeating order songs are singles, one was the album opener and was performed on both Stern & Lowe, and one is being used in playoff hockey broadcasts. It was always a given that those four were getting played every night, so what possible “surprise” is being lost? The fact you can predict where it falls in the set? Because I can predict where Release, Even Flow & Alive fall in the set too. 
  • devonfz
    devonfz Posts: 181
    I love new stuff all good there but my problem with setlists is they used to rip off six seven eight heavy fast songs in a row which was awesome got you fired up 
    now it seems they prefer mostly medium to lighter stuff very rarely get that run anymore
    and even then a lot of same stuff like daughter given to fly etc; they have a lot of stuff they just don’t play like go leash whipping animal even rvm
  • Lifted
    Lifted Posts: 1,836
    devonfz said:
    I love new stuff all good there but my problem with setlists is they used to rip off six seven eight heavy fast songs in a row which was awesome got you fired up 
    now it seems they prefer mostly medium to lighter stuff very rarely get that run anymore
    and even then a lot of same stuff like daughter given to fly etc; they have a lot of stuff they just don’t play like go leash whipping animal even rvm
    My theory with this is that Ed is using some of the slower stuff to warm up his vocals, and I think the song selection in general might be catered more to what he feels comfortable doing as well. Coming out with go, save you, whipping, spin the black circle, blood etc. just seems like it could be tough to get through for a 60 year old man. But that's just my guess, as im not a singer.
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,938
    Lifted said:
    devonfz said:
    I love new stuff all good there but my problem with setlists is they used to rip off six seven eight heavy fast songs in a row which was awesome got you fired up 
    now it seems they prefer mostly medium to lighter stuff very rarely get that run anymore
    and even then a lot of same stuff like daughter given to fly etc; they have a lot of stuff they just don’t play like go leash whipping animal even rvm
    My theory with this is that Ed is using some of the slower stuff to warm up his vocals, and I think the song selection in general might be catered more to what he feels comfortable doing as well. Coming out with go, save you, whipping, spin the black circle, blood etc. just seems like it could be tough to get through for a 60 year old man. But that's just my guess, as im not a singer.
    I think this is probably right, and would add that it's really about the whole band winding up to a fever pitch. It's like opening with "Release" or "Long Road" or other slow-burning openers except on a four- or five-song scale.
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,938
    mcgruff10 said:
    SHZA said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam.  And ending both shows with the same song?  ugh.  
    Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
    Different strokes 
    Bingo.   
    Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • devonfz
    devonfz Posts: 181
    I agree with ed just slowing up I don’t mind the slow opening at all just miss that run of fast and heavy where you used to get that variety now corduroy evenflow porch dte gtf  why go seem the go to …
    would love stbc got some comatose whipping animal hail hail grievance kind of run during the show as an example then eight new songs five hits and a few slow ones to open that would be my ideal 24 song set
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    SHZA said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam.  And ending both shows with the same song?  ugh.  
    Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
    Different strokes 
    Bingo.   
    Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
    The problem is the playing of the same four songs in a row in the same spot.  We all could have guessed they were gonna play some of the new songs every night but nothing like this.  
    And I love setting sun but to close with it two nights in a row?  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Milestone
    Milestone Posts: 1,143
    Back in 2000, I used to bitch about too many Binaural songs.  Now I'd do anything to hear God's Dice, Breakerfall, Insignificance, and others.  Therefore, I'm gonna enjoy the Dark Matter songs as much as I can.  
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  • Gibson
    Gibson Chicago Posts: 2,671
    Milestone said:
    Back in 2000, I used to bitch about too many Binaural songs.  Now I'd do anything to hear God's Dice, Breakerfall, Insignificance, and others.  Therefore, I'm gonna enjoy the Dark Matter songs as much as I can.  
    YES.
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  • PB11041
    PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,845
    Said it before, I will say it again, hopefully the people that are so horrified about this begin dumping their tickets back in to F2F, especially for the east coast shows.
    His eminence has yet to show. 
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  • spankyMP
    spankyMP NY to NC to NH Posts: 2,018
    Gibson said:
    Milestone said:
    Back in 2000, I used to bitch about too many Binaural songs.  Now I'd do anything to hear God's Dice, Breakerfall, Insignificance, and others.  Therefore, I'm gonna enjoy the Dark Matter songs as much as I can.  
    YES.
    Exactly. Otherwise, in five or ten years some will be complaining about either them not playing DM songs any more or not playing at all :(
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  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    SHZA said:
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam.  And ending both shows with the same song?  ugh.  
    Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
    Different strokes 
    Bingo.   
    Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
    Saying it's been played "once ever" is a little disingenuous for a song that was released three weeks ago. If they'd played Alone on back to back nights, you'd have a point. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,521
    PB11041 said:
    Said it before, I will say it again, hopefully the people that are so horrified about this begin dumping their tickets back in to F2F, especially for the east coast shows.
    Some of us live in the vast swath of land between "very excited for this development" and "horrified"

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