We got a lot (and I mean a lot) of 2000-2013 album run on the tours of 2016-2023. I went to 7 shows in that timeframe and damn near got all of Lightning Bolt and Avacado.
I expect the shows will start to have more variance as they spend more time on the road. But as someone else posted, this is a 24-25 set list band now, and you know at least 6 are going to be from the new album (which I think is a good number) and at least 6 are going to be from Ten and Vs.
Last night I got In Hiding, which was one of my white whales, and I also got to hear Nothingman, which is one of my all time favorites. So this fan came away pretty happy with what I spent my money on.
In Hiding and Nothingman are absolute gems! And don't forget about Smile
I'm fine with the Dark Matter songs in the setlist and want to hear those, just hoping for some variance in where they appear in the setlist. Completely agree that we're spoiled as a fan base but was just surprised to see the same exact 4 songs in slots 5-8 on the setlist as I don't recall this happening before, especially not back to back shows in the same city. Hopefully they'll spread those out at future shows to keep some of the surprise element (even when we know certain songs are coming, not knowing exactly when adds quite a bit to the show in my opinion).
I'm going to a personal record 5 shows this year and I really hope I don't become this jaded.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
I'm going to a personal record 5 shows this year and I really hope I don't become this jaded.
I'm at 30 shows overall, 5 EV solo, and have 6 shows this tour. I've hit the point where I'm happy to be there and don't mind shortened sets and repeats. I've excepted that there are a few tracks I'll just never get live (and some have been played right before or right after a show I have attended, sometimes multiple times). We can only expect so much from this band who has already been together 30 years!
I'm going to a personal record 5 shows this year and I really hope I don't become this jaded.
I'm at close to 50 shows now and still want to add to the 2 I'm going to this year. I'm fine hearing 7-8 DM songs on both nights. But I also want to hear Nothingman, and Present Tense, and Immortality, and Footsteps, and Chloe/Crown, and Faithfull, and Marker in the Sand, and Of the Girl, and Pendulum, and Insignificance.......you get the idea. That's the beauty of these shows. You might know a 3rd of the songs going in, but you never know what else you might get on top of it.
And I don't mind Alive, Betterman, Jeremy, Small Town, Corduroy, and some of the other staples. There's no better feeling than being in a crowd of thousands all singing and dancing to songs being played.
Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam. And ending both shows with the same song? ugh.
Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
I'm going to a personal record 5 shows this year and I really hope I don't become this jaded.
It's not about being jaded. I go to a lot of shows and Pearl Jam is one of an incredibly small number of bands I would see more than once on a tour. The reasons have historically been seniority ticketing privileges and the wildly varying setlists. If they're inching towards a little more standardization it just potentially changes the calculus, especially with ticket prices being what they are. This is a good forum to express all that.
Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam. And ending both shows with the same song? ugh.
Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
Seems like they just had a tour or 2 for a new album, and somehow found a way to do 40 or so shows with 25 song sets, and be doing something different at the end of the tour than they were at the beginning. There may still be time for them to NOT play the same 4 songs in the same 4 spots before the year is over. But if for some reason thats how they choose to do this one, I'm pretty sure that I will still enjoy the hell out of the 9 shows i'm seeing this time. Hopefully some of you are still able to find some reason to have a good time at these despite that terrible evil.
2006: Gorge 1
2009: Seattle 1
2013: Seattle
2016: Wrigley 1 & 2
2018: Seattle 1&2, Montana
2020: San Diego, LA 1&2, Oakland 1&2
2022: San Diego, LA 1&2, Fresno, Sacramento, Las Vegas, Denver
2024: Vancouver 1, Portland, Las Vegas 1&2, Seattle 1&2
It has been expressed many times, how the songs fit/work together in the sequence on the album, and enhance each other that way.
That sequence of the opening 4 album songs, (beginning the DM experience), and ending the show with Setting Sun, is ideal to me. But that contains 4 of my favorite (so far) 5 songs, so I really like it. Dark Matter after Wreckage makes it more agreeable to me (DM not my fav, but its the name of the album, its going to get played.)
Just my personal preference. I hope they include those 5 in the same spots, for more than one of my shows.
Vancouver got some great stuff beside the new ones. Wash, Chloe/Crown, Immortality, ALONE. Sure hope I get those at my shows.
I will say that having the animations and screen set ups may take some of the spontaneity out of set list creation. I also expect the production team to get more efficient and flexible as the shows move along.
If the four DM songs are 5-8 for the rest of this US leg, that would be disappointing…but I’ll still go and have fun at the end of the month.
Seattle 8-8-18 Chicago 8-18-18 Chicago 8-20-18 St. Louis 4-4-20 Denver 4-9-20 Denver 9-22-22 Noblesville 9-10-23 Vancouver 5-6-24 Seattle 5-30-24 Noblesville 8-26-24
Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam. And ending both shows with the same song? ugh.
Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
The way they're playing, you'd almost think they have an album to promote.
Not an especially valid retort because we are primarily talking about repeats on a 2 night run, of which Vancouver stands above any other multi night run on the LB/BS tours.
We also live in a world where tickets and travel cost more than ever before. It’s valid for people to ask themselves if they really want to shell out the money for a 2 night run w more repeats than previously and 1/3 of the show being the new album due to the shorter sets.
It was meant as a joke and not a serious retort. At the end of the day, we don't choose their setlists and we don't have to follow set for set and predict with reasonable accuracy how each show will go. We could just show up and have a good time and not go back and forth about this.
It's a great album, and we go to shows because we love the band and want to see them. As soon as we set expectations of what we think we deserve, disappointment to some degree shouldn't be too far behind. Travel for concerts is a choice and privilege - it's not a factor for what the band should play.
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Two of the four repeating order songs are singles, one was the album opener and was performed on both Stern & Lowe, and one is being used in playoff hockey broadcasts. It was always a given that those four were getting played every night, so what possible “surprise” is being lost? The fact you can predict where it falls in the set? Because I can predict where Release, Even Flow & Alive fall in the set too.
I love new stuff all good there but my problem with setlists is they used to rip off six seven eight heavy fast songs in a row which was awesome got you fired up now it seems they prefer mostly medium to lighter stuff very rarely get that run anymore and even then a lot of same stuff like daughter given to fly etc; they have a lot of stuff they just don’t play like go leash whipping animal even rvm
I love new stuff all good there but my problem with setlists is they used to rip off six seven eight heavy fast songs in a row which was awesome got you fired up now it seems they prefer mostly medium to lighter stuff very rarely get that run anymore and even then a lot of same stuff like daughter given to fly etc; they have a lot of stuff they just don’t play like go leash whipping animal even rvm
My theory with this is that Ed is using some of the slower stuff to warm up his vocals, and I think the song selection in general might be catered more to what he feels comfortable doing as well. Coming out with go, save you, whipping, spin the black circle, blood etc. just seems like it could be tough to get through for a 60 year old man. But that's just my guess, as im not a singer.
I love new stuff all good there but my problem with setlists is they used to rip off six seven eight heavy fast songs in a row which was awesome got you fired up now it seems they prefer mostly medium to lighter stuff very rarely get that run anymore and even then a lot of same stuff like daughter given to fly etc; they have a lot of stuff they just don’t play like go leash whipping animal even rvm
My theory with this is that Ed is using some of the slower stuff to warm up his vocals, and I think the song selection in general might be catered more to what he feels comfortable doing as well. Coming out with go, save you, whipping, spin the black circle, blood etc. just seems like it could be tough to get through for a 60 year old man. But that's just my guess, as im not a singer.
I think this is probably right, and would add that it's really about the whole band winding up to a fever pitch. It's like opening with "Release" or "Long Road" or other slow-burning openers except on a four- or five-song scale.
Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam. And ending both shows with the same song? ugh.
Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
Different strokes
Bingo.
Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
I agree with ed just slowing up I don’t mind the slow opening at all just miss that run of fast and heavy where you used to get that variety now corduroy evenflow porch dte gtf why go seem the go to … would love stbc got some comatose whipping animal hail hail grievance kind of run during the show as an example then eight new songs five hits and a few slow ones to open that would be my ideal 24 song set
Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam. And ending both shows with the same song? ugh.
Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
Different strokes
Bingo.
Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
The problem is the playing of the same four songs in a row in the same spot. We all could have guessed they were gonna play some of the new songs every night but nothing like this.
And I love setting sun but to close with it two nights in a row?
Back in 2000, I used to bitch about too many Binaural songs. Now I'd do anything to hear God's Dice, Breakerfall, Insignificance, and others. Therefore, I'm gonna enjoy the Dark Matter songs as much as I can.
Back in 2000, I used to bitch about too many Binaural songs. Now I'd do anything to hear God's Dice, Breakerfall, Insignificance, and others. Therefore, I'm gonna enjoy the Dark Matter songs as much as I can.
YES.
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Said it before, I will say it again, hopefully the people that are so horrified about this begin dumping their tickets back in to F2F, especially for the east coast shows.
Back in 2000, I used to bitch about too many Binaural songs. Now I'd do anything to hear God's Dice, Breakerfall, Insignificance, and others. Therefore, I'm gonna enjoy the Dark Matter songs as much as I can.
YES.
Exactly. Otherwise, in five or ten years some will be complaining about either them not playing DM songs any more or not playing at all :(
Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam. And ending both shows with the same song? ugh.
Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
Different strokes
Bingo.
Sure, but I can't relate to a stroke that says, "They've played this song once, ever. How lame that they're playing it again so soon."
Saying it's been played "once ever" is a little disingenuous for a song that was released three weeks ago. If they'd played Alone on back to back nights, you'd have a point.
Said it before, I will say it again, hopefully the people that are so horrified about this begin dumping their tickets back in to F2F, especially for the east coast shows.
Some of us live in the vast swath of land between "very excited for this development" and "horrified"
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All brings vibes of the Eras tour.
Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18;
Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
And I don't mind Alive, Betterman, Jeremy, Small Town, Corduroy, and some of the other staples. There's no better feeling than being in a crowd of thousands all singing and dancing to songs being played.
That sequence of the opening 4 album songs, (beginning the DM experience), and ending the show with Setting Sun, is ideal to me. But that contains 4 of my favorite (so far) 5 songs, so I really like it. Dark Matter after Wreckage makes it more agreeable to me (DM not my fav, but its the name of the album, its going to get played.)
Just my personal preference. I hope they include those 5 in the same spots, for more than one of my shows.
Vancouver got some great stuff beside the new ones. Wash, Chloe/Crown, Immortality, ALONE. Sure hope I get those at my shows.
If the four DM songs are 5-8 for the rest of this US leg, that would be disappointing…but I’ll still go and have fun at the end of the month.
Chicago 8-18-18
Chicago 8-20-18
St. Louis 4-4-20
Denver 4-9-20
Denver 9-22-22
Noblesville 9-10-23
Vancouver 5-6-24
Seattle 5-30-24
Noblesville 8-26-24
EV
Chicago 2-9-22
Tempe 2-26-23
It's a great album, and we go to shows because we love the band and want to see them. As soon as we set expectations of what we think we deserve, disappointment to some degree shouldn't be too far behind. Travel for concerts is a choice and privilege - it's not a factor for what the band should play.
9 repeats.
Greenville 98
Knoxville 98
West Palm 00
Atlanta 03
MSG 03
Asheville 04
Camden 06
Bonnaroo 08
Columbia 08
Atlanta 09 (EV Solo)
Seattle 09
Seattle 09
MSG 10
MSG 10
Pensacola 12
Wrigley 13
now it seems they prefer mostly medium to lighter stuff very rarely get that run anymore
and even then a lot of same stuff like daughter given to fly etc; they have a lot of stuff they just don’t play like go leash whipping animal even rvm
would love stbc got some comatose whipping animal hail hail grievance kind of run during the show as an example then eight new songs five hits and a few slow ones to open that would be my ideal 24 song set
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