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  • PB11041
    PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,845
    JBob87 said:
    Gibson said:
    The way they're playing, you'd almost think they have an album to promote.
    Not an especially valid retort because we are primarily talking about repeats on a 2 night run, of which Vancouver stands above any other multi night run on the LB/BS tours. 

    We also live in a world where tickets and travel cost more than ever before. It’s valid for people to ask themselves if they really want to shell out the money for a 2 night run w more repeats than previously and 1/3 of the show being the new album due to the shorter sets. 
    when the 1/3 of the show and repeat are overlapping elements, the answer is yes.  I have no interest in spending money on traveling to shows to hear songs I have heard a couple of dozen times in person and that they have played 300, 400, 500, 600 or 800 times.  They are only going to have about 40 shots at playing these songs before they likely take a back seat in 2025 and beyond. Frankly, if anything, if I only went to Vancouver and did not get to hear Waiting for Stevie get a rip, that would be the only disappointment.  

    Hopefully they keep playing 8-9 Dark Matter songs a night, and those disappointed start tossing their tickets into the fan to fan pool.
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  • MikeDigs
    MikeDigs Santa Monica, CA Posts: 1,680
    edited May 2024
    JBob87 said:
    Gibson said:
    The way they're playing, you'd almost think they have an album to promote.
    Not an especially valid retort because we are primarily talking about repeats on a 2 night run, of which Vancouver stands above any other multi night run on the LB/BS tours. 

    We also live in a world where tickets and travel cost more than ever before. It’s valid for people to ask themselves if they really want to shell out the money for a 2 night run w more repeats than previously and 1/3 of the show being the new album due to the shorter sets. 
    I have my concern as well.  I was willing to buy tickets to multiple shows given the known quality and diversity of the Live Pearl Jam concert experience.  This will be my wife's first Pearl Jam experience as well, and I had previously thought that we would only get 2-3 repeats, and that she would get to experience about 47 live Pearl Jam songs.  It's a minor concern, however, as the Dark Matter album is phenomenal, and seeing these songs performed twice is still a treat.
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  • rummy
    rummy British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,466
    JBob87 said:
    Gibson said:
    The way they're playing, you'd almost think they have an album to promote.
    Not an especially valid retort because we are primarily talking about repeats on a 2 night run, of which Vancouver stands above any other multi night run on the LB/BS tours. 

    We also live in a world where tickets and travel cost more than ever before. It’s valid for people to ask themselves if they really want to shell out the money for a 2 night run w more repeats than previously and 1/3 of the show being the new album due to the shorter sets. 
    I appreciate both sides of the argument but I’m kinda on this one. Two nights in Vancouver was not THAT expensive but enough for me to say that’s it. I wish I could go down to Portland this weekend or Seattle at the end of the month but it’s just not happening. I always want to witness as many different songs as possible but, unfortunately, I’m done for 2024.

    My problem (and I’ll stress that it’s MY problem) is that the band had made me a bit of a “song hunter.” Was hoping to catch a few different songs last night but it didn’t happen. Again, that’s not the band’s issue, it’s mine.
  • Weston1283
    Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 5,014
    edited May 2024
    If you are traveling to multiple shows in order to catch the next Mansfield 03, Grand Rapids 06, or Moline 14 - then stay home and save your money.  It’s not happening 

    That Pearl Jam was left in the pre-Covid era.  This is a totally new band with a new mindset and a new album.  I have 7 shows planned this year and can’t wait to hear Scared of Fear in the 5 spot 7 times lol. 
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  • Lifted
    Lifted Posts: 1,836
    As someone who loves Dark Matter and only plans on going to one show on the tour, I was relieved to see that they played the majority of the album both shows so far. People complaining about shelling out so much money on multiple shows, that's their prerogative, but also their choice. Just like it's the band's choice to play whatever they want. They're obviously very proud of this album, and they should be.

    The reality is that the majority of people at each of these shows are only going to one show and Pearl Jam wants to play the new stuff. It's not like they didn't almost completely change the song selections for the rest of the setlist outside of Dark Matter songs. I would think that should be appeasing enough to all but a small fraction of the fan base.
  • spankyMP
    spankyMP NY to NC to NH Posts: 2,018
    Lifted said:
    As someone who loves Dark Matter and only plans on going to one show on the tour, I was relieved to see that they played the majority of the album both shows so far. People complaining about shelling out so much money on multiple shows, that's their prerogative, but also their choice. Just like it's the band's choice to play whatever they want. They're obviously very proud of this album, and they should be.

    The reality is that the majority of people at each of these shows are only going to one show and Pearl Jam wants to play the new stuff. It's not like they didn't almost completely change the song selections for the rest of the setlist outside of Dark Matter songs. I would think that should be appeasing enough to all but a small fraction of the fan base.
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  • Deadman
    Deadman Posts: 795
    No.  Not in the least bit.
  • kmcmanus
    kmcmanus Posts: 892
    There are an awful lot of songs I love from Binaural, RA, S/T, Backspacer, LB & Giga I’ve never seen, and at this point likely never will. And I like DM better than every album on that list except Riot Act. So if I get a bunch of those songs twice over my 2 shows, that’s amazing. Because whichever ones I don’t get are probably gone for good after this tour like all but a handful from those previous 6 albums.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    Gibson said:
    A good way to not know what's next is to avoid reading setlists. It's hard to do, but it's doable.

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  • Hankj25
    Hankj25 Posts: 388
    We got a lot (and I mean a lot) of 2000-2013 album run on the tours of 2016-2023.  I went to 7 shows in that timeframe and damn near got all of Lightning Bolt and Avacado.

    I expect the shows will start to have more variance as they spend more time on the road.  But as someone else posted, this is a 24-25 set list band now, and you know at least 6 are going to be from the new album (which I think is a good number) and at least 6 are going to be from Ten and Vs.  

    Last night I got In Hiding, which was one of my white whales, and I also got to hear Nothingman, which is one of my all time favorites.  So this fan came away pretty happy with what I spent my money on.
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  • MikeDigs
    MikeDigs Santa Monica, CA Posts: 1,680
    Hankj25 said:
    We got a lot (and I mean a lot) of 2000-2013 album run on the tours of 2016-2023.  I went to 7 shows in that timeframe and damn near got all of Lightning Bolt and Avacado.

    I expect the shows will start to have more variance as they spend more time on the road.  But as someone else posted, this is a 24-25 set list band now, and you know at least 6 are going to be from the new album (which I think is a good number) and at least 6 are going to be from Ten and Vs.  

    Last night I got In Hiding, which was one of my white whales, and I also got to hear Nothingman, which is one of my all time favorites.  So this fan came away pretty happy with what I spent my money on.
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  • Another Clone
    Another Clone Posts: 27
    I'm fine with the Dark Matter songs in the setlist and want to hear those, just hoping for some variance in where they appear in the setlist.  Completely agree that we're spoiled as a fan base but was just surprised to see the same exact 4 songs in slots 5-8 on the setlist as I don't recall this happening before, especially not back to back shows in the same city.  Hopefully they'll spread those out at future shows to keep some of the surprise element (even when we know certain songs are coming, not knowing exactly when adds quite a bit to the show in my opinion).
  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,056
    Video production elements, portions of the show with the same songs, ed coming out post encore with a solo song.

    All brings vibes of the Eras tour.

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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam.  And ending both shows with the same song?  ugh.  
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,352
    I'm going to a personal record 5 shows this year and I really hope I don't become this jaded.
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  • SVRDhand13
    SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,997
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    I'm going to a personal record 5 shows this year and I really hope I don't become this jaded.
    I'm at 30 shows overall, 5 EV solo, and have 6 shows this tour.  I've hit the point where I'm happy to be there and don't mind shortened sets and repeats.  I've excepted that there are a few tracks I'll just never get live (and some have been played right before or right after a show I have attended, sometimes multiple times).  We can only expect so much from this band who has already been together 30 years! 
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  • CantKeepmedown
    CantKeepmedown Portland, Maine Posts: 3,119
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    I'm going to a personal record 5 shows this year and I really hope I don't become this jaded.
    I'm at close to 50 shows now and still want to add to the 2 I'm going to this year. I'm fine hearing 7-8 DM songs on both nights. But I also want to hear Nothingman, and Present Tense, and Immortality, and Footsteps, and Chloe/Crown, and Faithfull, and Marker in the Sand, and Of the Girl, and Pendulum, and Insignificance.......you get the idea.  That's the beauty of these shows. You might know a 3rd of the songs going in, but you never know what else you might get on top of it. 

    And I don't mind Alive, Betterman, Jeremy, Small Town, Corduroy, and some of the other staples. There's no better feeling than being in a crowd of thousands all singing and dancing to songs being played.  
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,938
    mcgruff10 said:
    Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam.  And ending both shows with the same song?  ugh.  
    Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    I'm going to a personal record 5 shows this year and I really hope I don't become this jaded.
    It's not about being jaded. I go to a lot of shows and Pearl Jam is one of an incredibly small number of bands I would see more than once on a tour. The reasons have historically been seniority ticketing privileges and the wildly varying setlists. If they're inching towards a little more standardization it just potentially changes the calculus, especially with ticket prices being what they are. This is a good forum to express all that.
  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    BF25394 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Four of the same songs in a row in the exact same spot in the setlist is pretty lame for pearl jam.  And ending both shows with the same song?  ugh.  
    Lame? Ugh? These songs just frigging came out. They had never played them before! How can anyone be complaining about this? Most of the people there on Night 2 weren't even there on Night 1. I'm going to ten shows on this tour and if I heard these eleven new songs ten times each (no longer possible, I know), that would be amazing.
    Different strokes 

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