Ten Club benefit?

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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    JimmyV said:
    It's $35 a year in the U.S. I can't get pizzas delivered for less than that. The membership fee is of no consequence, and I am far from rich. 
    True. I subscribe to TV packages when a good show comes out and I forget to cancel when its done for months sometimes, and waste more money. But that doesn't mean I should keep wasting it.

    But personally I still think its worth it. If I was getting shut out several tours in a row I might reconsider. But that hasn't been the case, I don't usually go for the high demand ones because those are not close to me and are expensive places to travel to. 

    If it ever seems unlikely I would see them live again due to fewer shows and playing far away I would probably cancel, unless they lowered the price to $10. Thats about what I value the other non-ticket perks at. 
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    mace1229 said:
    JimmyV said:
    It's $35 a year in the U.S. I can't get pizzas delivered for less than that. The membership fee is of no consequence, and I am far from rich. 
    True. I subscribe to TV packages when a good show comes out and I forget to cancel when its done for months sometimes, and waste more money. But that doesn't mean I should keep wasting it.

    But personally I still think its worth it. If I was getting shut out several tours in a row I might reconsider. But that hasn't been the case, I don't usually go for the high demand ones because those are not close to me and are expensive places to travel to. 

    If it ever seems unlikely I would see them live again due to fewer shows and playing far away I would probably cancel, unless they lowered the price to $10. Thats about what I value the other non-ticket perks at. 
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  • washed in black
    washed in black Posts: 900
    JZ280705 said:
    I’ve been paying dues for over 10 years and never once got a ticket that was worthwhile. Never an MSG show and terrible seats on other venues I’m lucky to resell at face value. It would helpful to understand what the odds are for getting an MSG ticket.  Am I just really unlucky or is the odds of getting picked through 10 Club just very low?  
    I’d never won a nyc show since the lottery was instituted until this year and I put in for every show. So, I was 0 for until this tour.
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  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    edited February 2024
    $35/year = 10 cents/day.

    I feel like some who say they are dropping it are doing it on principle although others refer to not wanting to waste the money 
  • smile6680
    smile6680 Posts: 437
    Zod said:
    We're both PJ fans and have memberships, but the two memberships things works best when there is priority.  Without priority it didn't make as much a difference.   I wouldn't be surprised if we go back to a 1 membership household.  I also think that might be a good thing.

    $35 still seems steep for presale ticket access.   It allows to buy the vault, but I think it's weird where you have to pay money to buy someone's products.

     I think I'm luckier than most that PJ plays somewhere in the PNW every few years (covid drought withstanding), so maybe I'm paying 2 to 3 years worth of dues for that one shot at tickets. 

    Metallica does that for free.  U2 charges $40/year and you get a pretty cool gift every year (it's $50 on initial sign up). 

    I'm too much of a diehard to give my old membership, but I think we'll probably cut it down to 1 the next time my wife's runs out.  No real need for 2 unless you need more entries in the pot for high demand shows.    Plus 10c and fans always know a show/tour is going to happen before it's going to happen.   If there was a year where Seattle got shows and Vancouver didn't, not hard to sign up before it gets announce, rather than pay every year.
    I agree with this. This is well said without sounding negative.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    SHZA said:
    $35/year = 10 cents/day.

    I feel like some who say they are dropping it are doing it on principle although others refer to not wanting to waste the money 
    Since it is a seniority-based group, I'm conflicted on trying to convince people to stay. :lol: 
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  • PB11041
    PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,845
    JZ280705 said:
    I’ve been paying dues for over 10 years and never once got a ticket that was worthwhile. Never an MSG show and terrible seats on other venues I’m lucky to resell at face value. It would helpful to understand what the odds are for getting an MSG ticket.  Am I just really unlucky or is the odds of getting picked through 10 Club just very low?  
    I have been a member since 1995 and won tickets to MSG for the first time this year and I put in for those shows this year on a total lark thinking if I selected 1x ticket I might sneak in and there is no science to that I was just wishcasting.  In 1998 shaft. 2003 I did not even bother and picked up good seats at the last minute because you could find tickets to that tour on the sidewalk practically.  2008 lost, 2010 lost, 2016 lost.  2020/22 lost.

    Your odds of winning MSG tickets are extremely poor.
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,812
    Zod said:
    We're both PJ fans and have memberships, but the two memberships things works best when there is priority.  Without priority it didn't make as much a difference.   I wouldn't be surprised if we go back to a 1 membership household.  I also think that might be a good thing.

    $35 still seems steep for presale ticket access.   It allows to buy the vault, but I think it's weird where you have to pay money to buy someone's products.

     I think I'm luckier than most that PJ plays somewhere in the PNW every few years (covid drought withstanding), so maybe I'm paying 2 to 3 years worth of dues for that one shot at tickets. 

    Metallica does that for free.  U2 charges $40/year and you get a pretty cool gift every year (it's $50 on initial sign up). 

    I'm too much of a diehard to give my old membership, but I think we'll probably cut it down to 1 the next time my wife's runs out.  No real need for 2 unless you need more entries in the pot for high demand shows.    Plus 10c and fans always know a show/tour is going to happen before it's going to happen.   If there was a year where Seattle got shows and Vancouver didn't, not hard to sign up before it gets announce, rather than pay every year.
    Agreed... my wife & I both hit for both St Paul shows last year... I really didn't think we would get 2 pairs to each show. 

    With that in mind, I only put in 1 entry this year for each show, even for Fenway. I couldn't risk being on the hook for / having to unload as much as $1600 worth of concert tickets
  • ilockyer
    ilockyer Posts: 2,272
    edited February 2024
    The main benefit of 10C is now is perhaps now to the receiver of the fees, since there's no real cost involved in giving us anything.
    When the UK/EU prices came out, I was all set for cancelling mine in disgust at how much they'd put the prices up, but haven't done so as, with hindsight, while prices are very high, it seems we all now pay roughly the same per ticket wherever we are in the world and that's one thing that is fair. 
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  • whitepants
    whitepants Posts: 729
    JZ280705 said:
    I’ve been paying dues for over 10 years and never once got a ticket that was worthwhile. Never an MSG show and terrible seats on other venues I’m lucky to resell at face value. It would helpful to understand what the odds are for getting an MSG ticket.  Am I just really unlucky or is the odds of getting picked through 10 Club just very low?  
    I've been a paying TC member since 1996. The last "lottery" I won was in 2016. It's just tragic because the benefits of the membership are very questionable. 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    SHZA said:
    $35/year = 10 cents/day.

    I feel like some who say they are dropping it are doing it on principle although others refer to not wanting to waste the money 
    Would you continue to pay $35 a year for any service if you no longer used?
    Add the Oprah Network to your TV bundle for only $35 a year. Why not? Its only 10 cents a day. Or would you cancel that, not on principal, but because you don't use it?

    If people think they are never getting tickets again for whatever reason, I understand dropping it. I'm not there yet, I hope they'll play somewhere closer again. 
  • GW2553
    GW2553 AMORICA Posts: 107
    edited February 2024
    JimmyV said:
    It's $35 a year in the U.S. I can't get pizzas delivered for less than that. The membership fee is of no consequence, and I am far from rich. 

  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    edited February 2024
    mace1229 said:
    SHZA said:
    $35/year = 10 cents/day.

    I feel like some who say they are dropping it are doing it on principle although others refer to not wanting to waste the money 
    Would you continue to pay $35 a year for any service if you no longer used?
    Add the Oprah Network to your TV bundle for only $35 a year. Why not? Its only 10 cents a day. Or would you cancel that, not on principal, but because you don't use it?

    If people think they are never getting tickets again for whatever reason, I understand dropping it. I'm not there yet, I hope they'll play somewhere closer again. 
    I wouldn't pay for something I wasn't using. I think there's value beyond ticket opportunities though, like this forum and merch access. I can see that some might not see any value beyond tickets. But looking at it rationally, even if you only win one lottery every 10 years, the market value of the ticket (or pair) that a long-term member would receive would far exceed the cost of the membership dues. For that reason, I don't think canceling makes sense financially. It's an emotional decision based on feeling that their decades of loyalty aren't appreciated 
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  • spankyMP
    spankyMP NY to NC to NH Posts: 2,019
    mace1229 said:
    SHZA said:
    $35/year = 10 cents/day.

    I feel like some who say they are dropping it are doing it on principle although others refer to not wanting to waste the money 
    Would you continue to pay $35 a year for any service if you no longer used?
    Add the Oprah Network to your TV bundle for only $35 a year. Why not? Its only 10 cents a day. Or would you cancel that, not on principal, but because you don't use it?

    If people think they are never getting tickets again for whatever reason, I understand dropping it. I'm not there yet, I hope they'll play somewhere closer again. 
    I'm not there, never been close, never will. That's just me (and many others of course). I don't know my lottery history exactly, but it may be around 50/50, probably less. Sometimes I get nothing, sometimes I've gotten everything (whether it's one show or more), last time I got 5 of 5 :o (because I got nothing in 2022 and cancelled shows in 2020 and 2016, so I knew I was going somewhere), this time I got 2 of 4 (0 for 2 MSG). One of our crew just got 5 of 7 (one of which is MSG). Another got zilch. We all put in and figure it out later. Some of us aren't 10C, so they try for verified fan codes. Then I go berserk with fan 2 fan, it's an illness honestly  =)

    A friend of mine purposely let his lapse because he thought seniority doesn't matter any more at all and now he regrets it and didn't renew before 2/12 even though he wanted to and knew he had to for lottery. A couple of friends gripe every lottery if they don't win, but we all put in and figure it out afterward.  Other friends have discontinued and then struggle with getting tickets. One of which just told me the other day, he is going to join the fan club again just for the lottery shot. Lottery is just the first chance at tickets, you either want it or you don't?

    It's a personal decision. If you don't want any chance at winning the lottery, you dump your membership, and my odds increase and if you are lower than 198xxx, I get better seats. If you do want a chance at winning the lottery, you keep it and you'll get better seats because you stuck around. You do get member perks still. Exclusive merch, digital download yearly, etc. I know it's not what it was and I'm not pointing that out to debate anybody.

    If that doesn't equal $35 for you, then you have your answer.

    I really had no intentions of this post being so long, forgive me.
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    edited February 2024
    Zod said:
    We're both PJ fans and have memberships, but the two memberships things works best when there is priority.  Without priority it didn't make as much a difference.   I wouldn't be surprised if we go back to a 1 membership household.  I also think that might be a good thing.

    $35 still seems steep for presale ticket access.   It allows to buy the vault, but I think it's weird where you have to pay money to buy someone's products.

     I think I'm luckier than most that PJ plays somewhere in the PNW every few years (covid drought withstanding), so maybe I'm paying 2 to 3 years worth of dues for that one shot at tickets. 

    Metallica does that for free.  U2 charges $40/year and you get a pretty cool gift every year (it's $50 on initial sign up). 

    I'm too much of a diehard to give my old membership, but I think we'll probably cut it down to 1 the next time my wife's runs out.  No real need for 2 unless you need more entries in the pot for high demand shows.    Plus 10c and fans always know a show/tour is going to happen before it's going to happen.   If there was a year where Seattle got shows and Vancouver didn't, not hard to sign up before it gets announce, rather than pay every year.
    You're all overlooking the most important perk of membership in the Ten Club: it gives you access to this message board!

    EDIT: SHZA didn't overlook it.
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    edited February 2024
    SHZA said:
    $35/year = 10 cents/day.

    And with 366 days in 2024, it's even more of a bargain this year! For this reason, I only join the Ten Club once every four years. It's just not a good deal in non-leap years...
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,134
    It is worth it for me to preserve my seniority. Joined in 1998. I seem to have decent luck in the lottery other than MSG.  Philly and Boston seem to have gotten much tougher this time around as I usually get 10C tickets easily in those markets.
  • kmcmanus
    kmcmanus Posts: 893
    edited February 2024
    Get_Right said:
    It is worth it for me to preserve my seniority. Joined in 1998. I seem to have decent luck in the lottery other than MSG.  Philly and Boston seem to have gotten much tougher this time around as I usually get 10C tickets easily in those markets.
    Philly and Boston aren’t helped by the fact that Hartford, Toronto, Albany, Buffalo, Pittsburgh & the entire Southeast don’t get shows this year (and other that Toronto haven’t in many years)
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,134
    kmcmanus said:
    Get_Right said:
    It is worth it for me to preserve my seniority. Joined in 1998. I seem to have decent luck in the lottery other than MSG.  Philly and Boston seem to have gotten much tougher this time around as I usually get 10C tickets easily in those markets.
    Philly and Boston aren’t helped by the fact that Hartford, Toronto, Albany, Buffalo, Pittsburgh & the entire Southeast don’t get shows this year (and other that Toronto haven’t in many years)

    True, but I have a feeling the same folks would hit Hartford and Albany in addition to Boston or Philly. Surprised there was no Hartford date.  Must not have fit the schedule.
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    I think too many people are looking at this through an outcome-determinative lens. In 2020, I got mostly skunked in the lottery. In 2024, everything came up Milhouse. In both instances, my reaction has been the same, gratitude for the opportunity to get good seats at face value before the rest of the general public, and not because I have the right credit card but because I have been a dues-paying member of the fan club for many years. I sympathize with people who are disappointed at not getting the shows they wanted, because I've been there. But I don't sympathize with the people who think that not getting the shows they wanted makes the whole enterprise worthless, because I would never see it that way. And I definitely don't sympathize with people who just seem to be willfully refusing to grasp certain things about the lottery (i.e., no guaranteed tickets for anyone, including senior members) or selectively misremembering the results of prior lotteries (the whole reason #gutted is a thing is because prior lotteries were full of people getting shut out of the shows they wanted the most, and the threads from those lotteries are here on the message board for people to refresh their recollection if they so desire).
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