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mrussel1 said:mace1229 said:I found the last page funny. JB made some claims, was asked to provide evidence. He does, then is poked fun at for using Google search and for being conservative while citing CNN.
But as far as the economy, it just defines how you define a strong economy. If your metrics are employment and wages, then it looks good. Employment is way down, wages are up.
But if you consider other factors, it doesn't look as good. More Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, many of the raises haven't kept up with the record inflation we had last year. More Americans can't afford to buy a home. Workers will not be able to afford to retire until later.
It seems to me the upper class has done well, the lower-middle class hasn't; and the gap has gotten wider.
The housing is insane. If you don't own a house now, I don't see how you ever will unless you inherit one or come from an upper class family. Houses that sold for 200k 5 years ago are now selling for 500k, with 3 times the interest rate.
This one claims 6%. I'm not familiar with this source, so can't comment on them specifically, but was right in the middle of what I've been seeing.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/survey-reveals-six-percent-increase-in-americans-living-paycheck-to-paycheck-in-just-one-year-301928853.html
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mace1229 said:mrussel1 said:mace1229 said:I found the last page funny. JB made some claims, was asked to provide evidence. He does, then is poked fun at for using Google search and for being conservative while citing CNN.
But as far as the economy, it just defines how you define a strong economy. If your metrics are employment and wages, then it looks good. Employment is way down, wages are up.
But if you consider other factors, it doesn't look as good. More Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, many of the raises haven't kept up with the record inflation we had last year. More Americans can't afford to buy a home. Workers will not be able to afford to retire until later.
It seems to me the upper class has done well, the lower-middle class hasn't; and the gap has gotten wider.
The housing is insane. If you don't own a house now, I don't see how you ever will unless you inherit one or come from an upper class family. Houses that sold for 200k 5 years ago are now selling for 500k, with 3 times the interest rate.
This one claims 6%. I'm not familiar with this source, so can't comment on them specifically, but was right in the middle of what I've been seeing.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/survey-reveals-six-percent-increase-in-americans-living-paycheck-to-paycheck-in-just-one-year-301928853.htmlRemember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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mace1229 said:I found the last page funny. JB made some claims, was asked to provide evidence. He does, then is poked fun at for using Google search and for being conservative while citing CNN.
But as far as the economy, it just defines how you define a strong economy. If your metrics are employment and wages, then it looks good. Employment is way down, wages are up.
But if you consider other factors, it doesn't look as good. More Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, many of the raises haven't kept up with the record inflation we had last year. More Americans can't afford to buy a home. Workers will not be able to afford to retire until later.
It seems to me the upper class has done well, the lower-middle class hasn't; and the gap has gotten wider.
The housing is insane. If you don't own a house now, I don't see how you ever will unless you inherit one or come from an upper class family. Houses that sold for 200k 5 years ago are now selling for 500k, with 3 times the interest rate.
He started off by asking questions and then either ignored the answers or didn't like the answers...hence his random google searches.www.myspace.com0 -
But paycheck to paycheck was just one point. Housing is crazy. Houses have doubled in 5 years, causing rent to go up as well. Interest rates have been way up in the last year. Inflation was way up. Cost of cars are way up. I read an article a few months ago that because more people can't afford new cars, the used market has gone way up and people are driving older cars much longer. Which makes repairs and maintenance more costly because auto shops are slammed try to keep older cars running longer than before. Good if you're a mechanic, bad if you're everyone else. It shouldn't be a surprise that more Americans are finding it harder to live on what they make compared to a few years ago.0
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mace1229 said:But paycheck to paycheck was just one point. Housing is crazy. Houses have doubled in 5 years, causing rent to go up as well. Interest rates have been way up in the last year. Inflation was way up. Cost of cars are way up. I read an article a few months ago that because more people can't afford new cars, the used market has gone way up and people are driving older cars much longer. Which makes repairs and maintenance more costly because auto shops are slammed try to keep older cars running longer than before. Good if you're a mechanic, bad if you're everyone else. It shouldn't be a surprise that more Americans are finding it harder to live on what they make compared to a few years ago.www.myspace.com0
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mace1229 said:But paycheck to paycheck was just one point. Housing is crazy. Houses have doubled in 5 years, causing rent to go up as well. Interest rates have been way up in the last year. Inflation was way up. Cost of cars are way up. I read an article a few months ago that because more people can't afford new cars, the used market has gone way up and people are driving older cars much longer. Which makes repairs and maintenance more costly because auto shops are slammed try to keep older cars running longer than before. Good if you're a mechanic, bad if you're everyone else. It shouldn't be a surprise that more Americans are finding it harder to live on what they make compared to a few years ago.
You wouldn't believe how many people I see that make $250-$400K and have no investment income whatsoever.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt20 -
Well Trumpolinni did pass that great tax break package that is supposed to trickle down to middle class has it?jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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mace1229 said:But paycheck to paycheck was just one point. Housing is crazy. Houses have doubled in 5 years, causing rent to go up as well. Interest rates have been way up in the last year. Inflation was way up. Cost of cars are way up. I read an article a few months ago that because more people can't afford new cars, the used market has gone way up and people are driving older cars much longer. Which makes repairs and maintenance more costly because auto shops are slammed try to keep older cars running longer than before. Good if you're a mechanic, bad if you're everyone else. It shouldn't be a surprise that more Americans are finding it harder to live on what they make compared to a few years ago.
Our economy ebbs and flows. Gas prices will decrease, food costs will decrease....and at the same time our economy will slow down. Then the GOP will scream about that. But again....they offer NO LEGISLATION to fix anything that they complain about.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt20 -
Gern Blansten said:mace1229 said:But paycheck to paycheck was just one point. Housing is crazy. Houses have doubled in 5 years, causing rent to go up as well. Interest rates have been way up in the last year. Inflation was way up. Cost of cars are way up. I read an article a few months ago that because more people can't afford new cars, the used market has gone way up and people are driving older cars much longer. Which makes repairs and maintenance more costly because auto shops are slammed try to keep older cars running longer than before. Good if you're a mechanic, bad if you're everyone else. It shouldn't be a surprise that more Americans are finding it harder to live on what they make compared to a few years ago.
You wouldn't believe how many people I see that make $250-$400K and have no investment income whatsoever.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:Gern Blansten said:mace1229 said:But paycheck to paycheck was just one point. Housing is crazy. Houses have doubled in 5 years, causing rent to go up as well. Interest rates have been way up in the last year. Inflation was way up. Cost of cars are way up. I read an article a few months ago that because more people can't afford new cars, the used market has gone way up and people are driving older cars much longer. Which makes repairs and maintenance more costly because auto shops are slammed try to keep older cars running longer than before. Good if you're a mechanic, bad if you're everyone else. It shouldn't be a surprise that more Americans are finding it harder to live on what they make compared to a few years ago.
You wouldn't believe how many people I see that make $250-$400K and have no investment income whatsoever.
One of my wealthiest clients lives in a very modest home, rarely if ever goes on vacation, and drives modest vehicles. He complains about taxes constantly but his struggle right now is whether or not he wants to buy another commercial building for $8mil. Never stepped foot in college.
I really can't put my finger on what it is about people that either makes them financially responsible or not.
Not that we argue much but I have had some arguments with my wife about some of this stuff. She has the "you can't take it with you" attitude and I'm more about making sure we'll be comfortable until we die. I did cave and put in a pool a few years ago so I'm hoping that keeps her happy for awhile but now she's starting to complain about remodeling the kitchen.Post edited by Gern Blansten onRemember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt20 -
HughFreakingDillon said:Gern Blansten said:mace1229 said:But paycheck to paycheck was just one point. Housing is crazy. Houses have doubled in 5 years, causing rent to go up as well. Interest rates have been way up in the last year. Inflation was way up. Cost of cars are way up. I read an article a few months ago that because more people can't afford new cars, the used market has gone way up and people are driving older cars much longer. Which makes repairs and maintenance more costly because auto shops are slammed try to keep older cars running longer than before. Good if you're a mechanic, bad if you're everyone else. It shouldn't be a surprise that more Americans are finding it harder to live on what they make compared to a few years ago.
You wouldn't believe how many people I see that make $250-$400K and have no investment income whatsoever.
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F Me In The Brain said:HughFreakingDillon said:Gern Blansten said:mace1229 said:But paycheck to paycheck was just one point. Housing is crazy. Houses have doubled in 5 years, causing rent to go up as well. Interest rates have been way up in the last year. Inflation was way up. Cost of cars are way up. I read an article a few months ago that because more people can't afford new cars, the used market has gone way up and people are driving older cars much longer. Which makes repairs and maintenance more costly because auto shops are slammed try to keep older cars running longer than before. Good if you're a mechanic, bad if you're everyone else. It shouldn't be a surprise that more Americans are finding it harder to live on what they make compared to a few years ago.
You wouldn't believe how many people I see that make $250-$400K and have no investment income whatsoever.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Gern Blansten said:HughFreakingDillon said:Gern Blansten said:mace1229 said:But paycheck to paycheck was just one point. Housing is crazy. Houses have doubled in 5 years, causing rent to go up as well. Interest rates have been way up in the last year. Inflation was way up. Cost of cars are way up. I read an article a few months ago that because more people can't afford new cars, the used market has gone way up and people are driving older cars much longer. Which makes repairs and maintenance more costly because auto shops are slammed try to keep older cars running longer than before. Good if you're a mechanic, bad if you're everyone else. It shouldn't be a surprise that more Americans are finding it harder to live on what they make compared to a few years ago.
You wouldn't believe how many people I see that make $250-$400K and have no investment income whatsoever.
One of my wealthiest clients lives in a very modest home, rarely if ever goes on vacation, and drives modest vehicles. He complains about taxes constantly but his struggle right now is whether or not he wants to buy another commercial building for $8mil. Never stepped foot in college.
I really can't put my finger on what it is about people that either makes them financially responsible or not.
Not that we argue much but I have had some arguments with my wife about some of this stuff. She has the "you can't take it with you" attitude and I'm more about making sure we'll be comfortable until we die. I did cave and put in a pool a few years ago so I'm hoping that keeps her happy for awhile but now she's starting to complain about remodeling the kitchen.
happy wife. happy life.
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Gern Blansten said:HughFreakingDillon said:Gern Blansten said:mace1229 said:But paycheck to paycheck was just one point. Housing is crazy. Houses have doubled in 5 years, causing rent to go up as well. Interest rates have been way up in the last year. Inflation was way up. Cost of cars are way up. I read an article a few months ago that because more people can't afford new cars, the used market has gone way up and people are driving older cars much longer. Which makes repairs and maintenance more costly because auto shops are slammed try to keep older cars running longer than before. Good if you're a mechanic, bad if you're everyone else. It shouldn't be a surprise that more Americans are finding it harder to live on what they make compared to a few years ago.
You wouldn't believe how many people I see that make $250-$400K and have no investment income whatsoever.
One of my wealthiest clients lives in a very modest home, rarely if ever goes on vacation, and drives modest vehicles. He complains about taxes constantly but his struggle right now is whether or not he wants to buy another commercial building for $8mil. Never stepped foot in college.
I really can't put my finger on what it is about people that either makes them financially responsible or not.
Not that we argue much but I have had some arguments with my wife about some of this stuff. She has the "you can't take it with you" attitude and I'm more about making sure we'll be comfortable until we die. I did cave and put in a pool a few years ago so I'm hoping that keeps her happy for awhile but now she's starting to complain about remodeling the kitchen.
for me, it's filling the happiness hole. I've been struggling with the cycle of "fuck, I have to stop spending" and I'm responsible a good while. then I fall back into it. Buying Lost Dogs on vinyl for instance. No WAY I should have forked out $450US on that. or that stupid Pearl Jam baseball bat. or most of the records and posters (and all merch really). It's just a personality flaw.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
mace1229 said:But paycheck to paycheck was just one point. Housing is crazy. Houses have doubled in 5 years, causing rent to go up as well. Interest rates have been way up in the last year. Inflation was way up. Cost of cars are way up. I read an article a few months ago that because more people can't afford new cars, the used market has gone way up and people are driving older cars much longer. Which makes repairs and maintenance more costly because auto shops are slammed try to keep older cars running longer than before. Good if you're a mechanic, bad if you're everyone else. It shouldn't be a surprise that more Americans are finding it harder to live on what they make compared to a few years ago.
And housing prices are NOT up because of inflation. Housing prices exploded because people were de-leveraged on debt coming out of the pandemic and flush with cash. Interest rates were still historically low and so bidding wars ensued. Much of this has to do with the lack of affordable housing in this country. But unless you are arguing that the federal gov't should start building houses for people, this is a market issue, not a gov't one.0 -
I’d be willing to wager that the majority of those folks living paycheque to paycheque have the latest iPhone, with the unlimited data plan, 60” flat screen tv, with the premium cable package, live well outside of where they work and drive a car or truck with all the bells and whistles and shitty mpg, and maybe a few kids. Just a guess. Whatever happened to “personal responsibility?”09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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HughFreakingDillon said:Gern Blansten said:HughFreakingDillon said:Gern Blansten said:mace1229 said:But paycheck to paycheck was just one point. Housing is crazy. Houses have doubled in 5 years, causing rent to go up as well. Interest rates have been way up in the last year. Inflation was way up. Cost of cars are way up. I read an article a few months ago that because more people can't afford new cars, the used market has gone way up and people are driving older cars much longer. Which makes repairs and maintenance more costly because auto shops are slammed try to keep older cars running longer than before. Good if you're a mechanic, bad if you're everyone else. It shouldn't be a surprise that more Americans are finding it harder to live on what they make compared to a few years ago.
You wouldn't believe how many people I see that make $250-$400K and have no investment income whatsoever.
One of my wealthiest clients lives in a very modest home, rarely if ever goes on vacation, and drives modest vehicles. He complains about taxes constantly but his struggle right now is whether or not he wants to buy another commercial building for $8mil. Never stepped foot in college.
I really can't put my finger on what it is about people that either makes them financially responsible or not.
Not that we argue much but I have had some arguments with my wife about some of this stuff. She has the "you can't take it with you" attitude and I'm more about making sure we'll be comfortable until we die. I did cave and put in a pool a few years ago so I'm hoping that keeps her happy for awhile but now she's starting to complain about remodeling the kitchen.
for me, it's filling the happiness hole. I've been struggling with the cycle of "fuck, I have to stop spending" and I'm responsible a good while. then I fall back into it. Buying Lost Dogs on vinyl for instance. No WAY I should have forked out $450US on that. or that stupid Pearl Jam baseball bat. or most of the records and posters (and all merch really). It's just a personality flaw.0
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