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  • mickeyrat
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,198
    edited September 2023
    Time to pay up. From Letter From an American:

    Workers accepted major concessions in 2007, when it appeared that auto manufacturers would go under. They agreed to accept a two-tier pay system in which workers hired after 2007 would have lower pay and worse benefits than those hired before 2007. But then the industry recovered, and automakers’ profits skyrocketed: Ford, for example, made more than $10 billion in profits in 2022.

    Automakers’ chief executive officers’ pay has soared—GM CEO Mary Barra made almost $29 million in 2022—but workers’ wages and benefits have not. Barra, for example, makes 362 times the median GM employee’s paycheck, while autoworkers’ pay has fallen behind inflation by 19%. 

    The new UAW president, Shawn Fain, ran on a promise to demand a rollback of the 2007 concessions in this summer’s contract negotiations. He wants a cap on temporary workers, pay increases of more than 40% to match the salary increases of the CEOs, a 32-hour workweek, cost of living adjustments, and an elimination of the tier system. 
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  • mickeyrat
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  • brianlux
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    Wobbie said:
    I don't usually venture to AMT and one look at the "hot button" topics tells me why!

    Anyway....the UAW strike. I'm kinda on the fence and am probably not well informed enough to have a solid opinion. On one hand, I'm an ex-union member and love what my union did for me. On the other hand, I'm well aware of the "problems" unions bring... Thoughts?
    Nothing wrong with higher pay and better benefits but health benefits for retirees, on top of 36% pay increase over 4 years, a defined pension contribution on top of the 6% 401K contribution match currently provided AND a 32 hour work week but paid for 40 seems excessive. I know unions typically begin negotiations with asking for the moon and try to meet in the middle but this seems too much for me. The mandatory overtime and use of temporary employees are legitimate issues as is the staggering of pay scales and hourly wages, given profits and that executive salaries are up 40%.

    I wish them luck and hope that they get everything out of the corporations they can. Or maybe what we need is mass unemployment so they’ll appreciate what they have and get their asses back to work?
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  • mickeyrat
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  • mickeyrat
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,185
    Wobbie said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Wobbie said:
    I think I’m beginning to side with you union.

    still bugs me most workers make more than teachers, but that’s another discussion.

    we've already seen teachers unions in select districts stepping up. with the successful union negotiations this year, its likely those teachers unions will be more vocal going forward....

    for me as a childless adult, I am willing to fund schools, libraries etc but take issue with how school boards use the monies they get. namely admin costs growing leaving less for educating young people.....

    3 teachers in my family orbit.

    also childless. 2 teachers in my family orbit and many, many friends. I'm all for funding schools, too....hate how teachers are demonized for teaching facts and also hate how most families in utah have 4+ kids (many with 6 or more) yet pay the same taxes and still bitch. same ridiculous thing when I was on Las Vegas Fire...one insurance rate for 1 kid; same rate for 2+. we had many mormons on the FD and one guy actually had 13 kids :tired_face: yet paid the same as people with two.

    again, another discussion
    The teachers union is different because they are paid via government funding. That's harder to strong arm than massive corporate profits.

    Around here teachers have really good benefits but are still underpaid. 
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  • mickeyrat
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  • mickeyrat
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    https://apnews.com/article/auto-workers-mack-trucks-strike-reject-agreement-vote-31028457605436f0c142617b1b5cf838   Workers at Mack Trucks reject tentative contract deal and will go on strike early Monday

     
    Workers at Mack Trucks reject tentative contract deal and will go on strike early Monday
    By TOM KRISHER
    Yesterday

    DETROIT (AP) — Union workers at Mack Trucks have voted down a tentative five-year contract agreement reached with the company and plan to strike at 7 a.m. Monday, the United Auto Workers union says.

    Union President Shawn Fain said in a letter to Mack parent company Volvo Trucks that 73% of workers voted against the deal in results counted on Sunday.

    The UAW represents about 4,000 Mack workers in three states. Union leaders had reached a tentative agreement on the deal on Oct. 1.

    The deal included a 19% pay raise over the life of the contract with 10% upon ratification. There also was a $3,500 ratification bonus, no increase in weekly health care contributions, increased annual lump sum payments for retirees and a $1,000 annual 401(k) lump sum to offset health care costs for employees who don’t get health insurance after retirement.

    Fain said in his letter to Volvo Trucks' head of labor relations that employees working early Monday will exit the factories after performing tasks needed to prevent damage to company equipment.

    The workers are in Pennsylvania, Maryland and Florida.

    Fain wrote that UAW members and workers across the country are seeking their fair share in wages and benefits. “The union remains committed to exploring all options for reaching an agreement, but we clearly are not there yet.”

    The company and union are still apart on work schedules, health and safety, pensions, health care, prescription drug coverage, overtime and other issues, he wrote.

    The contract may have been sunk by high expectations Fain has set in bargaining with Detroit’s three automakers. In those talks, the UAW has asked for 36% raises over four years, while Ford has offered 23% and the other two firms are at 20%.

    Mack Trucks President Stephen Roy said in a statement Sunday night that the company is “surprised and disappointed” that the union chose to strike. The union, he wrote, called the tentative agreement a record for the heavy truck industry. “We trust that other stakeholders also appreciate that our market, business and competitive set are very different from those of the passenger car makers,” the statement said.

    Mack, he wrote, is part of the only heavy truck manufacturing group that assembles all of its vehicles and engines for North America in the U.S., competing against trucks built in lower-cost countries.

    The company is committed to collective bargaining and is confident both sides will reach a deal that delivers competitive wages and benefits while safeguarding the company’s future, the statement said.

    The UAW went on strike at selected factories run by automakers General Motors, Ford and Jeep maker Stellantis on Sept. 15. It started with one assembly plant for each company, then spread to 38 GM and Stellantis parts warehouses. Two additional assembly plants at Ford and GM were added later.

    On Friday, the union decided not to expand the strikes to any more plants for the time being after GM agreed to bring its electric vehicle battery factories into the UAW’s national contract, assuring that they’ll be unionized. The union also reported progress with all three automakers.


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  • mickeyrat
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  • smile6680
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    I would be all for unions if they would self police. Way too much laziness and waste. They should push for higher wages and better benefits. In return, they would make sure members were meeting efficiency and quality of work standards. 

    I live near a big naval shipyard. All union employees. The stories I hear directly from the union employees themselves are embarrassing. 



  • mickeyrat
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  • mickeyrat said:
    Brandon making a mess of everything and why POOTWH is gaining strength.
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