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curmudgeoness said:

Covid is here to stay, like the flu and colds. As we and the band get older, respiratory diseases are going to take more of a toll. There's not much to do about that (except, get vaccinated!).  

How in the fuck did the band being quadruple vaccinated help them play Indy?  Your first sentence was spot on though. 

Just because a test says you have covid shouldn't mean they cancel a show and F up tens of thousands of people's plans.  Just be a little more cautious, like no sipping from the community wine bottle for example.

But if they were truly feeling really sick...like I can't talk/sing or can't get out of bed sick, then of course, they may have to cancel.  But back in the old days when people weren't brainwashed by the media, people who had important jobs sometimes powered through their sickness to get work done.  I feel bad/mad for the Indy people.  

Covid is indeed here to stay.

COVID is a very contagious disease, and it is still a dangerous disease. It is not simply about whether an infected person can "power through" an illness. You have a duty to other people not to put them in harm's way when you know you are infected with a contagious, dangerous disease.

There has been media brainwashing going on with respect to vaccines, all right, but it's not the kind you're thinking of.

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I had it for the first time this week and I have am fully vaxxed, and I would say this is not "just a cold" or even like the flu. I had the flu before, and it even landed me in the hospital with pneumonia but even that was not like this last week. I don't want to have this shit again and I have no idea how anyone would be able to perform or even act like a normal person in public having it. All I could do all week was sleep. I woke up for bouts of fever, coughing and sneezing, lost ten lbs and today feel better for the first time. Fuck covid, get your vaccines. I don't even understand how people are up in arms against vaccines now. We seem to live in upside down world now.

I got the first round of vaccines and got a booster. So I'm not an anti-vax person. My opinion on why Covid is no longer taken seriously is because, yet again, our government lied to us. They said the vaccine would stop transmission, would protect people and would be lessen the symptoms. It did none of that. During Covid with the lockdowns, which also did nothing except destroy business but somehow profits went up? More lies from those in charge. Do you remember how people who didn't want to get vaccinated were ostracized by the media who suggested a caste system of vaxxed and non vaxxed? Now we have athletes dropping from heart attacks and other random things, I don't recall super healthy people dropping like they have lately. If the vaccines were safe, why did Big Pharma get protection from lawsuits? The whole thing is corrupt as hell. To reiterate, I am vaxxed, I fell for the media's bullshit about shaming people who, in my opinion, ended up being right about how we were being lied to......

Now. Where is the freaking make up date for INDY!!

come on...some originally said that but then, as new testing/evidence came out, they corrected that.

clearly being vaccinated is better than not

I'm on the no longer on the fence about it. My wife suddenly developed psoriasis after getting the first booster. Not a single case in her family going back 4 generations. I understand that it can be environmental but it was within a couple days that she had her first psoriatic(?) flare up. That's not a coincidence to us. Our government has lied to us about SO MANY things that I just don't trust them anymore. Fauci knew that AZT (aids drug in the early 80's) was killing people, yet he said it was safe. Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, the list is maddening on just how many times we've been swindled by our leaders. So, the punk rocker in me is saying fuck off to the government. The previous vaccine mandates were total bullshit, no one forces flu vaccines on anyone, they are voluntary. So why did the Covid vaccine become such a lynch pin? Big Pharma and Politicians made BANK during the lockdowns. I'm willing to bet in 10-15 years someone will release official documents about how they took advantage of us during these years to further fatten their bank accounts.

Would hate to see this passionate discussion end, but maybe create a new discussion about this and take it off this one? 

cmikehelton said:

Pearl Jam - Deer Creek - 2024!

Let's hope that announcement comes soon.. not in 2024. I wish the band would just throw it out there.. "hey, to all the Indy folks we will see you soon in 2024".. at least we will then know it is official

theebradness said:

The ticketbastard announcement said they have 60 days to make a decision.

"Please note that at this time, while the Event Organizer is working to try and reschedule your event, they are not currently allowing refunds; however, refunds will be made available in the future. Future refund options are as follows:

• If 60 days have passed since a show was postponed and no rescheduled dates have been announced, the 30-day window for refunds will open at that time. You will be able to request a refund via your Live Nation Account.
• If, during this 60-day postponement window, your event is rescheduled, a 30-day window for refunds will also be made available.
• If the event is canceled (at any time), refunds (as well as a possible credit option) will be available."

With that said, I hope we get some kind of answer! I still say Oceans is the opener, whenever this show happens.

theebradness said:

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Leezestarr313 said:

BF25394 said:

Spartanacus said:

curmudgeoness said:

Covid is here to stay, like the flu and colds. As we and the band get older, respiratory diseases are going to take more of a toll. There's not much to do about that (except, get vaccinated!).  

How in the fuck did the band being quadruple vaccinated help them play Indy?  Your first sentence was spot on though. 

Just because a test says you have covid shouldn't mean they cancel a show and F up tens of thousands of people's plans.  Just be a little more cautious, like no sipping from the community wine bottle for example.

But if they were truly feeling really sick...like I can't talk/sing or can't get out of bed sick, then of course, they may have to cancel.  But back in the old days when people weren't brainwashed by the media, people who had important jobs sometimes powered through their sickness to get work done.  I feel bad/mad for the Indy people.  

Covid is indeed here to stay.

COVID is a very contagious disease, and it is still a dangerous disease. It is not simply about whether an infected person can "power through" an illness. You have a duty to other people not to put them in harm's way when you know you are infected with a contagious, dangerous disease.

There has been media brainwashing going on with respect to vaccines, all right, but it's not the kind you're thinking of.

(edit to add the post I was replying to)

I had it for the first time this week and I have am fully vaxxed, and I would say this is not "just a cold" or even like the flu. I had the flu before, and it even landed me in the hospital with pneumonia but even that was not like this last week. I don't want to have this shit again and I have no idea how anyone would be able to perform or even act like a normal person in public having it. All I could do all week was sleep. I woke up for bouts of fever, coughing and sneezing, lost ten lbs and today feel better for the first time. Fuck covid, get your vaccines. I don't even understand how people are up in arms against vaccines now. We seem to live in upside down world now.

I got the first round of vaccines and got a booster. So I'm not an anti-vax person. My opinion on why Covid is no longer taken seriously is because, yet again, our government lied to us. They said the vaccine would stop transmission, would protect people and would be lessen the symptoms. It did none of that. During Covid with the lockdowns, which also did nothing except destroy business but somehow profits went up? More lies from those in charge. Do you remember how people who didn't want to get vaccinated were ostracized by the media who suggested a caste system of vaxxed and non vaxxed? Now we have athletes dropping from heart attacks and other random things, I don't recall super healthy people dropping like they have lately. If the vaccines were safe, why did Big Pharma get protection from lawsuits? The whole thing is corrupt as hell. To reiterate, I am vaxxed, I fell for the media's bullshit about shaming people who, in my opinion, ended up being right about how we were being lied to......

Now. Where is the freaking make up date for INDY!!

PhartN said:

come on yall, take the vax debate somewhere else!  i come here to get away from these shenanigans!!!  this is a thread about 

"Pearl Jam Ruoff Music Center Postponement"

theebradness said:

I got the first round of vaccines and got a booster. So I'm not an anti-vax person. My opinion on why Covid is no longer taken seriously is because, yet again, our government lied to us. They said the vaccine would stop transmission, would protect people and would be lessen the symptoms. It did none of that.

Testing in 2020 showed that the vaccines decreased transmission by 94-95 percent, depending on which vaccine was being studied. This was reported widely in various media at the time-- before the vaccines were even approved for emergency use. It was never expected that vaccination would eliminate transmission, only that it would limit transmission, which it did. (Protection wanes over time, but it doesn't go to zero.) All of the data show that those who were vaccinated had less severe illness and lower rates of death. The vaccines actually did protect people from severe illness and lessen their symptoms. Breakthrough infections tend to be less severe and involve a smaller viral load, which means that the infected person is contagious for a shorter period of time, and less contagious during that period than without vaccination/with a greater viral load, both of which limit transmission.

During Covid with the lockdowns, which also did nothing except destroy business but somehow profits went up? More lies from those in charge.

You're jumbling things together. Profits went up for some businesses (e.g., online retailing) in the early days of the pandemic, and some businesses were hit very hard (e.g., many restaurants). In the second quarter of 2020, when restrictions were most onerous, U.S. GDP declined by 34 percent. Very few companies were increasing profits during that period. Then, as restrictions were loosened in the third quarter, GDP increased by 38 percent. There is no mystery or conspiracy at work here. I'm not even sure what the lie you're referring to is here. Every business was not similarly situated when the pandemic hit. Some continued to lose money long after the initial months of the pandemic (e.g., movie theaters).  Others rebounded quickly. Even before state and local governments started imposing restrictions in late March 2020, large numbers of customers had stopped going out to restaurants and movies, as evidenced by credit-card transaction data. That change in behavior would have happened with or without government restrictions. Incidentally, "lockdown" is a misleading word. People were not locked down. People were free to leave their homes. They were free to travel. Some businesses were forced to close, but that does not make a lockdown. Look at how China handled COVID: those were actual lockdowns. People were forced to stay in their homes.

Do you remember how people who didn't want to get vaccinated were ostracized by the media who suggested a caste system of vaxxed and non vaxxed?

"The media" is a broad term doing a lot of work here. There were plenty of media doing the exact opposite of what you're describing, including the most-watched cable-news network. It's also a very vague claim to say that "the media" suggested a "caste system" because there were individual people advocating for differential treatment of the vaccinated and the unvaccinated (while others in "the media" advocated for no such differential treatment). An actual caste system differentiates people based on nothing other than to whom they were born. What you're describing is not a caste system; it's a system in which certain rewards are withheld from people who refuse to participate in a particular public-health program. It's no different than the largely uncontroversial system that has been in place in every state for years whereby children cannot attend public school until they prove that they are inoculated against several illnesses.

Now we have athletes dropping from heart attacks and other random things, I don't recall super healthy people dropping like they have lately.

This is not a thing. I don't really know what else to say. Maybe you should ask Hank Gathers about it.

If the vaccines were safe, why did Big Pharma get protection from lawsuits? The whole thing is corrupt as hell.

The protection you're talking about was enacted in 2005. It had nothing to do with COVID. The impetus for it was actually the "war on terror." Fear of biological and chemical attacks by terrorists were prompting increased (and increasingly hurried) research into medical interventions that might be necessary on a wide scale on short notice, and drug companies capitalized on that fear to push for greater protection for themselves. (Incidentally, of the 106 votes against the bill in the House, 89 were by Democrats. House Republicans supported the bill 202-16. I cite these numbers not to make a political point, just to demonstrate how disconnected the bill was from the politics of the 2020s, where vaccine resistance has been a signature of the Republicans, not the Democrats. And, of course, the bill was signed into law by Republican President George W. Bush.)

There is plenty of available data regarding the testing of the COVID vaccines that you are free to review. There is also three years of real-world data involving over 13 billion administered doses that demonstrate the vaccines' safety and efficacy.