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  • xavier mcdaniel
    xavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,431
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    Oops, clicked on quote post too often, but that seems to be the one thing that never gets talked about in stories about this. No country will ever perfect and some worse than others, but we've never heard a word about these countries fixing the reasons for people wanting to leave in the first place.
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  • mickeyrat
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    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    Oops, clicked on quote post too often, but that seems to be the one thing that never gets talked about in stories about this. No country will ever perfect and some worse than others, but we've never heard a word about these countries fixing the reasons for people wanting to leave in the first place.

    some can rightly argue , tge US helped foster those environments , either deliberately or inadvertently.  heavy on the former. then once yhe corruption and criminality takes root its tough to get rid of. besides where else is the businesses of the U.S. gonna get all that cheap exploitable labor? theres a reason business in general balked at e-verify so adamantly.....
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  • So, how can you make people hate immigrants even more?  You tell the public that you have to make budget cuts to pay for the influx of migrants coming to your city/state.

    It's good that Mayor Adams announced this as to hold the US govt accountable but, it's doing nothing to help the plight of the people whom aren't happy they are here in the first place.

    Amazingly enough the migrants on the scooters all have cell phones.  I find this interesting too.
    Maybe because you need a phone to have the app to have a job delivering food to people? And maybe they pay for it from their earnings? Want people who provide a service, in other words, “work,” to be off the dole? Pay them more.

    The city’s new law which would increase pay for app delivery workers to $17.96 an hour before tips and implement a second raise to almost $20 an hour in April 2025. There are an estimated 60,000 delivery workers in New York who are paid about $11 an hour after tips and expenses, according to the city. The city’s minimum wage is $15 an hour.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-07/nyc-wage-rule-for-delivery-workers-temporarily-halted-by-judge

    https://www.reuters.com/technology/doordash-raises-annual-core-profit-forecast-resilient-delivery-demand-2023-05-04/
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  • So, how can you make people hate immigrants even more?  You tell the public that you have to make budget cuts to pay for the influx of migrants coming to your city/state.

    It's good that Mayor Adams announced this as to hold the US govt accountable but, it's doing nothing to help the plight of the people whom aren't happy they are here in the first place.

    Amazingly enough the migrants on the scooters all have cell phones.  I find this interesting too.
    Maybe because you need a phone to have the app to have a job delivering food to people? And maybe they pay for it from their earnings? Want people who provide a service, in other words, “work,” to be off the dole? Pay them more.

    The city’s new law which would increase pay for app delivery workers to $17.96 an hour before tips and implement a second raise to almost $20 an hour in April 2025. There are an estimated 60,000 delivery workers in New York who are paid about $11 an hour after tips and expenses, according to the city. The city’s minimum wage is $15 an hour.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-07/nyc-wage-rule-for-delivery-workers-temporarily-halted-by-judge

    https://www.reuters.com/technology/doordash-raises-annual-core-profit-forecast-resilient-delivery-demand-2023-05-04/
    60,000?  Yeah I don't see them raising that hourly rate up.

    It's pretty wild that they came here with nothing and have money for phones and scooters, no?  I'm happy they're working if they are and like I said, there will be turf delivery wars soon.

    I'm not sure they are even delivery drivers?  They are in these temp shelters for 60 days only so, getting a scooter and a phone is pretty impressive.
  • mickeyrat said:
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    Oops, clicked on quote post too often, but that seems to be the one thing that never gets talked about in stories about this. No country will ever perfect and some worse than others, but we've never heard a word about these countries fixing the reasons for people wanting to leave in the first place.

    some can rightly argue , tge US helped foster those environments , either deliberately or inadvertently.  heavy on the former. then once yhe corruption and criminality takes root its tough to get rid of. besides where else is the businesses of the U.S. gonna get all that cheap exploitable labor? theres a reason business in general balked at e-verify so adamantly.....
    It's not just exploitable labor anymore.  Skilled and semiskilled work.  Tons of construction companies have them now.  
  • mickeyrat said:
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    Oops, clicked on quote post too often, but that seems to be the one thing that never gets talked about in stories about this. No country will ever perfect and some worse than others, but we've never heard a word about these countries fixing the reasons for people wanting to leave in the first place.

    some can rightly argue , tge US helped foster those environments , either deliberately or inadvertently.  heavy on the former. then once yhe corruption and criminality takes root its tough to get rid of. besides where else is the businesses of the U.S. gonna get all that cheap exploitable labor? theres a reason business in general balked at e-verify so adamantly.....
    It's not just exploitable labor anymore.  Skilled and semiskilled work.  Tons of construction companies have them now.  
    C’mon, you expect us to believe that every person on a construction site is a documented worker and semi-skilled or skilled ? Even the guy pushing the broom and cleaning up after the skilled trades? You know the guys who pick up scrap wood and shit or walk material from the elevator to the work site within? Or who haul the demo debris to the dumpster or dumpster chute? C’mon man.
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  • Studies show that immigrants account for 63% of New York’s construction workforce and estimates from The Center for Migration Studies (CMS) suggest that approximately 41% of these workers are undocumented.

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  • mickeyrat
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    Studies show that immigrants account for 63% of New York’s construction workforce and estimates from The Center for Migration Studies (CMS) suggest that approximately 41% of these workers are undocumented.


    cheaper exploitable labor.
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  • xavier mcdaniel
    xavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,431
    mickeyrat said:
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    Oops, clicked on quote post too often, but that seems to be the one thing that never gets talked about in stories about this. No country will ever perfect and some worse than others, but we've never heard a word about these countries fixing the reasons for people wanting to leave in the first place.

    some can rightly argue , tge US helped foster those environments , either deliberately or inadvertently.  heavy on the former. then once yhe corruption and criminality takes root its tough to get rid of. besides where else is the businesses of the U.S. gonna get all that cheap exploitable labor? theres a reason business in general balked at e-verify so adamantly.....
    also a fair point which doesn't get discussed much or any at all, granted I don't read/watch every news story.
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  • cblock4life
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    So, how can you make people hate immigrants even more?  You tell the public that you have to make budget cuts to pay for the influx of migrants coming to your city/state.

    It's good that Mayor Adams announced this as to hold the US govt accountable but, it's doing nothing to help the plight of the people whom aren't happy they are here in the first place.

    Amazingly enough the migrants on the scooters all have cell phones.  I find this interesting too.
    And where exactly can they find a pay phone?  Nowadays cellphones are necessities, not luxuries.  You’re pissed at the immigrants who were sent there by POS republicans.  god, do we really believe people want to walk and walk and walk, etc. with children and the little belongings they have if not for freedom from fear?  What reason other than freedom would you walk for?  Food and shelter for your family?  Yes we all would.  Put yourself in their shoes, their mindset.  We are clueless.  

    How many of us spent thousands to see Pearl Jam the last couple weeks.  Please don’t be mad about a scooter and phone.  
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  • mickeyrat said:
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    Oops, clicked on quote post too often, but that seems to be the one thing that never gets talked about in stories about this. No country will ever perfect and some worse than others, but we've never heard a word about these countries fixing the reasons for people wanting to leave in the first place.

    some can rightly argue , tge US helped foster those environments , either deliberately or inadvertently.  heavy on the former. then once yhe corruption and criminality takes root its tough to get rid of. besides where else is the businesses of the U.S. gonna get all that cheap exploitable labor? theres a reason business in general balked at e-verify so adamantly.....
    also a fair point which doesn't get discussed much or any at all, granted I don't read/watch every news story.
    From the Biden Crime Family’s legislation sent to Congress. I’d love to compare and contrast the repub plan for immigration if anyone can point me to the legislation or its overview.

    ADDRESS ROOT CAUSES OF MIGRATION

    • Start from the source. The bill codifies and funds the President’s $4 billion four-year inter-agency plan to address the underlying causes of migration in the region, including by increasing assistance to El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras, conditioned on their ability to reduce the endemic corruption, violence, and poverty that causes people to flee their home countries. It also creates safe and legal channels for people to seek protection, including by establishing Designated Processing Centers throughout Central America to register and process displaced persons for refugee resettlement and other lawful migration avenues—either to the United States or other partner countries. The bill also re-institutes the Central American Minors program to reunite children with U.S. relatives and creates a Central American Family Reunification Parole Program to more quickly unite families with approved family sponsorship petitions.
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  • xavier mcdaniel
    xavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,431
    mickeyrat said:
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    Oops, clicked on quote post too often, but that seems to be the one thing that never gets talked about in stories about this. No country will ever perfect and some worse than others, but we've never heard a word about these countries fixing the reasons for people wanting to leave in the first place.

    some can rightly argue , tge US helped foster those environments , either deliberately or inadvertently.  heavy on the former. then once yhe corruption and criminality takes root its tough to get rid of. besides where else is the businesses of the U.S. gonna get all that cheap exploitable labor? theres a reason business in general balked at e-verify so adamantly.....
    also a fair point which doesn't get discussed much or any at all, granted I don't read/watch every news story.
    From the Biden Crime Family’s legislation sent to Congress. I’d love to compare and contrast the repub plan for immigration if anyone can point me to the legislation or its overview.

    ADDRESS ROOT CAUSES OF MIGRATION

    • Start from the source. The bill codifies and funds the President’s $4 billion four-year inter-agency plan to address the underlying causes of migration in the region, including by increasing assistance to El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras, conditioned on their ability to reduce the endemic corruption, violence, and poverty that causes people to flee their home countries. It also creates safe and legal channels for people to seek protection, including by establishing Designated Processing Centers throughout Central America to register and process displaced persons for refugee resettlement and other lawful migration avenues—either to the United States or other partner countries. The bill also re-institutes the Central American Minors program to reunite children with U.S. relatives and creates a Central American Family Reunification Parole Program to more quickly unite families with approved family sponsorship petitions.
    That's good legislation. too bad they're "bogged down" in other nonsense and that includes the clown from NY congressional district 3.
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  • mickeyrat said:
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    Oops, clicked on quote post too often, but that seems to be the one thing that never gets talked about in stories about this. No country will ever perfect and some worse than others, but we've never heard a word about these countries fixing the reasons for people wanting to leave in the first place.

    some can rightly argue , tge US helped foster those environments , either deliberately or inadvertently.  heavy on the former. then once yhe corruption and criminality takes root its tough to get rid of. besides where else is the businesses of the U.S. gonna get all that cheap exploitable labor? theres a reason business in general balked at e-verify so adamantly.....
    also a fair point which doesn't get discussed much or any at all, granted I don't read/watch every news story.
    From the Biden Crime Family’s legislation sent to Congress. I’d love to compare and contrast the repub plan for immigration if anyone can point me to the legislation or its overview.

    ADDRESS ROOT CAUSES OF MIGRATION

    • Start from the source. The bill codifies and funds the President’s $4 billion four-year inter-agency plan to address the underlying causes of migration in the region, including by increasing assistance to El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras, conditioned on their ability to reduce the endemic corruption, violence, and poverty that causes people to flee their home countries. It also creates safe and legal channels for people to seek protection, including by establishing Designated Processing Centers throughout Central America to register and process displaced persons for refugee resettlement and other lawful migration avenues—either to the United States or other partner countries. The bill also re-institutes the Central American Minors program to reunite children with U.S. relatives and creates a Central American Family Reunification Parole Program to more quickly unite families with approved family sponsorship petitions.
    That's good legislation. too bad they're "bogged down" in other nonsense and that includes the clown from NY congressional district 3.
    Funny that, given that other clown in the house chamber, Marie StefI’llstickittoyou from NY is 2nd in command and has the speaker Kevin’s ear. Imagine what they could possibly achieve if they switched from using immigration to scare people to actually trying to do something about it that reduces it and makes the process more humane?
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  • mickeyrat
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    mickeyrat said:
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    Oops, clicked on quote post too often, but that seems to be the one thing that never gets talked about in stories about this. No country will ever perfect and some worse than others, but we've never heard a word about these countries fixing the reasons for people wanting to leave in the first place.

    some can rightly argue , tge US helped foster those environments , either deliberately or inadvertently.  heavy on the former. then once yhe corruption and criminality takes root its tough to get rid of. besides where else is the businesses of the U.S. gonna get all that cheap exploitable labor? theres a reason business in general balked at e-verify so adamantly.....
    also a fair point which doesn't get discussed much or any at all, granted I don't read/watch every news story.


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    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    Oops, clicked on quote post too often, but that seems to be the one thing that never gets talked about in stories about this. No country will ever perfect and some worse than others, but we've never heard a word about these countries fixing the reasons for people wanting to leave in the first place.

    some can rightly argue , tge US helped foster those environments , either deliberately or inadvertently.  heavy on the former. then once yhe corruption and criminality takes root its tough to get rid of. besides where else is the businesses of the U.S. gonna get all that cheap exploitable labor? theres a reason business in general balked at e-verify so adamantly.....
    also a fair point which doesn't get discussed much or any at all, granted I don't read/watch every news story.



    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    Oops, clicked on quote post too often, but that seems to be the one thing that never gets talked about in stories about this. No country will ever perfect and some worse than others, but we've never heard a word about these countries fixing the reasons for people wanting to leave in the first place.

    some can rightly argue , tge US helped foster those environments , either deliberately or inadvertently.  heavy on the former. then once yhe corruption and criminality takes root its tough to get rid of. besides where else is the businesses of the U.S. gonna get all that cheap exploitable labor? theres a reason business in general balked at e-verify so adamantly.....
    also a fair point which doesn't get discussed much or any at all, granted I don't read/watch every news story.



    Are we allowed to talk about US backed coups now?
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  • static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    Oops, clicked on quote post too often, but that seems to be the one thing that never gets talked about in stories about this. No country will ever perfect and some worse than others, but we've never heard a word about these countries fixing the reasons for people wanting to leave in the first place.

    some can rightly argue , tge US helped foster those environments , either deliberately or inadvertently.  heavy on the former. then once yhe corruption and criminality takes root its tough to get rid of. besides where else is the businesses of the U.S. gonna get all that cheap exploitable labor? theres a reason business in general balked at e-verify so adamantly.....
    also a fair point which doesn't get discussed much or any at all, granted I don't read/watch every news story.



    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    Oops, clicked on quote post too often, but that seems to be the one thing that never gets talked about in stories about this. No country will ever perfect and some worse than others, but we've never heard a word about these countries fixing the reasons for people wanting to leave in the first place.

    some can rightly argue , tge US helped foster those environments , either deliberately or inadvertently.  heavy on the former. then once yhe corruption and criminality takes root its tough to get rid of. besides where else is the businesses of the U.S. gonna get all that cheap exploitable labor? theres a reason business in general balked at e-verify so adamantly.....
    also a fair point which doesn't get discussed much or any at all, granted I don't read/watch every news story.



    Are we allowed to talk about US backed coups now?
    Sure, it’s called blowback.
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  • mickeyrat
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    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    Oops, clicked on quote post too often, but that seems to be the one thing that never gets talked about in stories about this. No country will ever perfect and some worse than others, but we've never heard a word about these countries fixing the reasons for people wanting to leave in the first place.

    some can rightly argue , tge US helped foster those environments , either deliberately or inadvertently.  heavy on the former. then once yhe corruption and criminality takes root its tough to get rid of. besides where else is the businesses of the U.S. gonna get all that cheap exploitable labor? theres a reason business in general balked at e-verify so adamantly.....
    also a fair point which doesn't get discussed much or any at all, granted I don't read/watch every news story.



    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    Oops, clicked on quote post too often, but that seems to be the one thing that never gets talked about in stories about this. No country will ever perfect and some worse than others, but we've never heard a word about these countries fixing the reasons for people wanting to leave in the first place.

    some can rightly argue , tge US helped foster those environments , either deliberately or inadvertently.  heavy on the former. then once yhe corruption and criminality takes root its tough to get rid of. besides where else is the businesses of the U.S. gonna get all that cheap exploitable labor? theres a reason business in general balked at e-verify so adamantly.....
    also a fair point which doesn't get discussed much or any at all, granted I don't read/watch every news story.



    Are we allowed to talk about US backed coups now?
    Sure, it’s called blowback.

    allowed? should be mandatory in my book.
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  • mickeyrat said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    Oops, clicked on quote post too often, but that seems to be the one thing that never gets talked about in stories about this. No country will ever perfect and some worse than others, but we've never heard a word about these countries fixing the reasons for people wanting to leave in the first place.

    some can rightly argue , tge US helped foster those environments , either deliberately or inadvertently.  heavy on the former. then once yhe corruption and criminality takes root its tough to get rid of. besides where else is the businesses of the U.S. gonna get all that cheap exploitable labor? theres a reason business in general balked at e-verify so adamantly.....
    also a fair point which doesn't get discussed much or any at all, granted I don't read/watch every news story.



    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    Oops, clicked on quote post too often, but that seems to be the one thing that never gets talked about in stories about this. No country will ever perfect and some worse than others, but we've never heard a word about these countries fixing the reasons for people wanting to leave in the first place.

    some can rightly argue , tge US helped foster those environments , either deliberately or inadvertently.  heavy on the former. then once yhe corruption and criminality takes root its tough to get rid of. besides where else is the businesses of the U.S. gonna get all that cheap exploitable labor? theres a reason business in general balked at e-verify so adamantly.....
    also a fair point which doesn't get discussed much or any at all, granted I don't read/watch every news story.



    Are we allowed to talk about US backed coups now?
    Sure, it’s called blowback.

    allowed? should be mandatory in my book.
    Well, not sure why static said “allowed.” I’m not sure anyone has ever given permission or had to “allow” a subject to be discussed.

    Anywho, the Biden Crime Family’s budget request for immigration related issues in an attempt to have migrants live in a better home country. It’s only an 23 page synopsis provided by the Congressional Research Service but I know it really needs to be in 140 characters or less. I heard Hunter is working on it. Again, if anyone can point me to the repub plan other than “build a wall that Mexico will pay for,” I’m all ears. If we’re “allowed” to, I guess?

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  • mickeyrat said:
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    The only thing I’d ask is how can this nation get all those nations to fix their problems! We must demand from those governments to get their house in order to keep their population at home 
    Oops, clicked on quote post too often, but that seems to be the one thing that never gets talked about in stories about this. No country will ever perfect and some worse than others, but we've never heard a word about these countries fixing the reasons for people wanting to leave in the first place.

    some can rightly argue , tge US helped foster those environments , either deliberately or inadvertently.  heavy on the former. then once yhe corruption and criminality takes root its tough to get rid of. besides where else is the businesses of the U.S. gonna get all that cheap exploitable labor? theres a reason business in general balked at e-verify so adamantly.....
    It's not just exploitable labor anymore.  Skilled and semiskilled work.  Tons of construction companies have them now.  
    C’mon, you expect us to believe that every person on a construction site is a documented worker and semi-skilled or skilled ? Even the guy pushing the broom and cleaning up after the skilled trades? You know the guys who pick up scrap wood and shit or walk material from the elevator to the work site within? Or who haul the demo debris to the dumpster or dumpster chute? C’mon man.
    Sure.  I only travel the city from job site to job site and see this with my own eyes...

    A scaffolding company.  All non English speaking, on Park avenue across from one of my job sites, is a skilled labor job.  It's also a non-union job.  I work on union jobs and they do vetting.  Not everyone gets a book.

    Come take a walk with me in Queesnbridge and I'll show you some very interesting construction companies out there rebuilding the projects.
  • Studies show that immigrants account for 63% of New York’s construction workforce and estimates from The Center for Migration Studies (CMS) suggest that approximately 41% of these workers are undocumented.

    mickeyrat said:
    Studies show that immigrants account for 63% of New York’s construction workforce and estimates from The Center for Migration Studies (CMS) suggest that approximately 41% of these workers are undocumented.


    cheaper exploitable labor.
    This was my point though, this isn't cheap labor if it's a union job.  Non-union?  I'm sure they abuse the shit out of them.